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so many misconceptions here, its ridiculous. protein powders are a waste of money if you dont have a healthy diet already. supplements are only there to supplement something in your healthy diet that you arent getting. protein is not what helps your muscles recover, food and its by product glucose is. the only thing protein does for your muscles is supply them with amino acids which help stop your muscles from catabolizing. amino acids do work somewhat as a pre workout though, as in they help in not letting your muscles break down while working them. chocolate milk is one of the best post workout drinks you can possibly have. while working out you deplete your blood glucose and muscle glycogen the only way for your muscles to recover and work again is to re fuel the glucose/glycogen. pure protein with water is not a good example of that. chocolate milk has protein (whey and casein) fat, carbs, and sugar which is exactly what you need post workout.
fun fact: a great pre workout is a piece of fruit (apple, banana, orange) they are high in carbs and sugar which will boost your blood glucose for a short period of time helping you go longer.
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Wow soo much horrible advice for getting fit on here.
OP, join bodybuilding.com and you'll find every single thing you need to know about getting in great shape
I follow their advice and got me down to a ripped single %bf.
Remember, this is cafords, not cafordsNhealth ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Wow soo much horrible advice for getting fit on here.
OP, join bodybuilding.com and you'll find every single thing you need to know about getting in great shape
I follow their advice and got me down to a ripped single %bf.
Remember, this is cafords, not cafordsNhealth
For the record I was joking about steroids. Being the same as protein.
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so many misconceptions here, its ridiculous. protein powders are a waste of money if you dont have a healthy diet already. supplements are only there to supplement something in your healthy diet that you arent getting. protein is not what helps your muscles recover, food and its by product glucose is. the only thing protein does for your muscles is supply them with amino acids which help stop your muscles from catabolizing. amino acids do work somewhat as a pre workout though, as in they help in not letting your muscles break down while working them. chocolate milk is one of the best post workout drinks you can possibly have. while working out you deplete your blood glucose and muscle glycogen the only way for your muscles to recover and work again is to re fuel the glucose/glycogen. pure protein with water is not a good example of that. chocolate milk has protein (whey and casein) fat, carbs, and sugar which is exactly what you need post workout.
fun fact: a great pre workout is a piece of fruit (apple, banana, orange) they are high in carbs and sugar which will boost your blood glucose for a short period of time helping you go longer.
everyone's body is different just because my body reacts to something doesn't mean OP's body will react the same. I agree with the fact that supplements will only work if your diet is stout hence the name supplement. I get all my protein from chicken breast, lean ground turkey, Bison and tilapia I don't use a meal replacement whey protein. bodybuilding.com is the best way to get advice no matter what your goal is.
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If you wanna be serious its a lot more work than you think.I live this shit day in day out.First off get on a diet plan and only have 1 shake a day thats an isolate cuzz it absorbs faster than any protein out there with simple carbs to replinish glycogen levels.The rest of the day you want to be eating 5 solids meals with lean sources of protein ,complex carbs, and good fats.Its all about hitting those macros and getting the nutrients in.take a multi,some fish oil and bcass with some creatine monohydrate just make sure you do a loading phase if required.take 1.5 grams of protein per body pound and eat 500 cals above your caloric maintence. the diet should be roughly 50/30/20 percent from carbs to protein to fats. Avoid crossfit if your trying to get big its more of a fad.not worth it.i wouldnt recomment preworkouts as alot of them are loaded with caffein and stimulants and that shit aint too good for you.goodluck op cuzz its a really hard lifestyle to do youll know when you try it.
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Originally posted by Mr.10psi:
If you wanna be serious its a lot more work than you think.I live this shit day in day out.First off get on a diet plan and only have 1 shake a day thats an isolate cuzz it absorbs faster than any protein out there with simple carbs to replinish glycogen levels.The rest of the day you want to be eating 5 solids meals with lean sources of protein ,complex carbs, and good fats.Its all about hitting those macros and getting the nutrients in.take a multi,some fish oil and bcass with some creatine monohydrate just make sure you do a loading phase if required.take 1.5 grams of protein per body pound and eat 500 cals above your caloric maintence. the diet should be roughly 50/30/20 percent from carbs to protein to fats. Avoid crossfit if your trying to get big its more of a fad.not worth it.i wouldnt recomment preworkouts as alot of them are loaded with caffein and stimulants and that shit aint too good for you.goodluck op cuzz its a really hard lifestyle to do youll know when you try it.
I agree with about 99% of this, but I don't think that 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight is necessary, unless you're hyper-anabolic (aka steroids, etc). To me, extra protein included in the diet makes sense, as it is a 'clean' caloric intake (assuming lean meats), and that may be where the perceived benefit above the typical 0.8g/lb ceiling comes into play. But shooting for a specific "300g/day" goal that you're only able to reach by topping off with a protein shake at the end of the day is unnecessary; again, other than taking in incidental additional calories, I'm not sure there's much of a point. Plus, it's pretty amazing to see how much fat is in some of the protein powders that are available at alot of the stores.
Your point about glycogen is a good one, as without it, your body just doesn't have the necessary short-term energy for a workout. That's one of the downsides of a diet like Atkins, which stresses high proteins/fats, but little to no carbs - you just can't replenish the glycogen stores without enough carbs.
Assuming your diet is nailed down, and, well, you're actually lifting weights, I think the most important (and maybe overlooked) part of fitness is making sure you get enough sleep each night. You've stressed and broken down muscle fibers in your workout, you've replenished the building blocks through your diet, now you need to give your body adequate time to put them to use rebuilding/repairing all of the 'damage' you did in the gym that day. I've always noticed how much better my gains were, be it in the gym, on the bike, or anything else, during the times when I was able to devote a solid 8hrs/night for sleep, versus the times when I've been alot busier and not been able to get a solid sleep schedule.
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amino acids do work somewhat as a pre workout though, as in they help in not letting your muscles break down while working them.
The only way to see gains - and the physiological point of lifting weights - is to 'damage' your muscle fibers by stressing them with load. Taking in AA pre-workout won't keep the body from breaking down the muscles. Having enough protein (amino acids) in your diet ensures that the body won't begin to catabolize muscle for fuel, but it's not protective against the stresses you place on them in the gym.
Chocolate milk is a good way to get carbs/protein/fats, but the only problem is the amount of fat per serving. If you're doing the 5-6 small meals/day, you've already gotten the right amount of calories, so the fat in chocolate milk may not be worth the other changes you've made in your diet. Drinking protein powder either in water with a piece of fruit, or mixing it into some juice, post-workout, will make a difference in terms of how quickly it is absorbed/utilized versus just mixing it in water alone.
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the things i just read... SMH
eating 5-6 small meals a day is a myth to help you lose weight. correct me if im wrong but one of you said to eat 500 more than your caloric maitenence?! that would be fine if someone was trying to bulk. but no where did he say he was bulking, and you have no idea what his goals are so take your bro science back to bodybuilding.com with the rest of the amatuers.
now phil a made some good points. if you have a solid diet there is no need for ANY supplements. a good diet consists of a balance of all your nutrients. sleep is HUGE. and BCAA's isoleucine, leucine and valine do work as pre workouts to an extent because like you stated amino acids do help your body not catabolize your muscles for fuel. hence why a lot of pre workout drinks have bcaa's in them. one last problem about drinking protein powders is that they arent regulated so whats on the back i can almost guarentee you isnt whats in it, and there is a chance (everyone is different) that your body will not abosorb all the nutrients from the powder because it is in a liquid form. thats also why using a juicer or blender is not as good as eating solid fruits and vegetables.
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the things i just read... SMH
eating 5-6 small meals a day is a myth to help you lose weight. correct me if im wrong but one of you said to eat 500 more than your caloric maitenence?! that would be fine if someone was trying to bulk. but no where did he say he was bulking, and you have no idea what his goals are so take your bro science back to bodybuilding.com with the rest of the amatuers.
now phil a made some good points. if you have a solid diet there is no need for ANY supplements. a good diet consists of a balance of all your nutrients. sleep is HUGE. and BCAA's isoleucine, leucine and valine do work as pre workouts to an extent because like you stated amino acids do help your body not catabolize your muscles for fuel. hence why a lot of pre workout drinks have bcaa's in them. one last problem about drinking protein powders is that they arent regulated so whats on the back i can almost guarentee you isnt whats in it, and there is a chance (everyone is different) that your body will not abosorb all the nutrients from the powder because it is in a liquid form. thats also why using a juicer or blender is not as good as eating solid fruits and vegetables.
you are right on the fact that i dont know his goals i thought he was trying to put on mass which is why i recommended the 500 calorie surplus to gain 1 lb a week for muscle mass if he wants to lose weight eat 500 calories below maintence to lose 1 lb a week no shit you dont need 5 to 6 meals a day to lose weight rookie you can lose weight on 1 meal or even 2 or 3 or 20 meals does not matter at all its all about calories in calories out you either burn more than you take in or you eat below your maintence so meals dont matter its not broscience theres a reason why bodysbuilders use supplements and Whole Food also.ask any real dedicated lifter/bb who takes supplements and you cant beat an isolate protein shake post workout cuzz its the fastest digesting and thats what you want post work out.pm me if you need advice cuzz you need it anybody else also
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If I eat 500 over I will get fatter. I really only consume 150-200 over and I will go as much as 300-500 below to loose weight. It's harder for me to loose it then gain it now that I'm older.
Trying to loose 15 pounds of fat in my mid section...... That fucking last spot to loose! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
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Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
Are you one of those people who believe the hype of IIFYM (if it fits your macros which means basically you can eat anything you want as long as it fits your macronutrients at the end of the day). I'm not assuming you do but your saying that its not necessary to eat 5-6 small meals a day, but yet the best bodybuilders and Men's Physique competitors all eat clean and consume 5-6 meals a day.
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Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
Are you one of those people who believe the hype of IIFYM (if it fits your macros which means basically you can eat anything you want as long as it fits your macronutrients at the end of the day). I'm not assuming you do but your saying that its not necessary to eat 5-6 small meals a day, but yet the best bodybuilders and Men's Physique competitors all eat clean and consume 5-6 meals a day.
I agree. I try and eat 3 main meals a day with snacks thru out the day. I drive a truck most of the day so being able to eat and drive is a must.
I usually have a whole wheat breakfast burrito filled with good stuff for breakfast. Some type of shake middle of the day & good clean foods.
Its tough eating clean if you don't plan ahead. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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absolutely not, "flexible dieting" is what they call that (its a joke). IIFYM is usually just a good place for people to start, studies have shown that people who track what they eat have better success towards their goals. there is literally no difference between eating 5-6 meals a day or eating 3 meals a day though, in the end youre getting the same amount of calories and macros. the reason why most body builders eat so many meals per day is cause they need those calories to lift as much as they do. those guys are eating an insane amount of food so theres no way they could get it all in 3 meals.
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absolutely not, "flexible dieting" is what they call that (its a joke). IIFYM is usually just a good place for people to start, studies have shown that people who track what they eat have better success towards their goals. there is literally no difference between eating 5-6 meals a day or eating 3 meals a day though, in the end youre getting the same amount of calories and macros. the reason why most body builders eat so many meals per day is cause they need those calories to lift as much as they do. those guys are eating an insane amount of food so theres no way they could get it all in 3 meals.
You are very sure of yourself aren't you. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
The only thing that we can all agree on is if you're getting results then you must be doing something right. Everyone's body is different and different things work for different people. There is no perfect all working lifting, eating program for everyone.
Ronnie Coleman won a title while still working long hours as a cop. You fit your meals in when you can.
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yes, yes i am... only because i study all these topics on a daily basis and i go to school for this shit. what you read on the internet and what you read in professionally written books are two different stories. fitness and nutrition is my career, so i spend most of my time re searching a finding the real facts instead of reading topics on bodybuilding.com
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yes, yes i am... only because i study all these topics on a daily basis and i go to school for this shit. what you read on the internet and what you read in professionally written books are two different stories. fitness and nutrition is my career, so i spend most of my time re searching a finding the real facts instead of reading topics on bodybuilding.com
Nice! Good info bro, you sound like you really know your stuff. I tend to eat 6 meals a day when I have the time but often times I'll have to combine two meals or eat twice within a two hour window to finish my macros at the end of the day. However I do eat clean and the flexible eating fad is just a fad it wont stay for long.
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www.bodybuilding.com do research, talk to folks on there.
i been working out for 2 years and im still learning what my body likes and doesnt like, and what works for me and what doesnt.
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Just be dedicated and go to the gym and put in work. I'm not a pro but if you just go, eat good, and take some supplements that you wanna try out, you'll start seeing results.. Learn off others and research online.. Just my 2 cents
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If I eat 500 over I will get fatter. I really only consume 150-200 over and I will go as much as 300-500 below to loose weight. It's harder for me to loose it then gain it now that I'm older.
Trying to loose 15 pounds of fat in my mid section...... That fucking last spot to loose!
Yes sir if you eat 500 cals you will get fatter but at the same time you will be putting on muscle if your eating sleeping and training right.that is why ppl do a bulk,to make the best gains you have to put on fat that is why there is a bulk which is called offseason and then you cut all the fat off but try to retain as much muscle mass as possible by slow dieting and not crash dieting and the midsection is the 1st place fat storage normally occurs and its the last place to lose it and that starts to go away around 15%bf depending on your build whether your an ecto meso or endo.as you get older your metabolism slows down making it harder for you to lose that weight than when you were younger that is why you must be activie or follow some type of plan to lose that weight and if your only 300-500 cals below maintence then you roughly should be losing .5to 1 lb a week max.in my honest opinion if your trying to put on the most muscle 150 to 200 cals surplus is a waste way to small of a surplus atleast 300-500 over maintence is where its at try it and get those gains homie.
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Lol... Rookie? Ok I don't need to argue with facts that can't be backed up. The only thing you said that's true there is the fact that you need to have a deficit of 500 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I know a ton of body builders that don't use any supplements at all actually, including proteins. Protein isolate is the fastest digesting protein there is, but that's just it, it's fast. That doesn't mean it absorbs all 30-50g of protein that most have. On top of that you don't even know what it really has in it. If a body builder is hitting his or hers macros everyday... Which most are just with food then there is absolutely no need to throw an extra protein supplement in there.
You dont have a reason to argue bud everything i said is on par i gaurantee you every one of your bodybuilder buddys that lifts with no supplements is not stepping on olympia stage huh?Guess jay and ronnie and all those guys dont know what there doing and they dont need supps and yes i know there on all kinds of crap but at the end of the day you will never find a top bodybuilder or even physique guy that does not take supplements ever.no need to eat 6 times a day if your not a lifter other wise 4 meals is fine but eating 3 meals a day when being serious is a joke your shoving to much protein down your throat for your body to break down at one time.I hope you really arent iifym cuzz thats just another excuse to eat bs for the weakminded lifters if it were that easy everyone would be doing it.
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