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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Nate, I can identify with being wronged, and I can understand you being emotional on the topic and wanting to let others know your negative experience.

With that said, there is a right and a wrong way to put someone on blast, and unfortunately it appears that you could have handled this more effectively.

First and foremost, your story could not have been more confusing to a third party. I read the entire thread and am still confused as to what the sequence of events was. It would have been very helpful to post a clear, unambiguous sequence of events in list format and allow people to make up their own minds.

Next, intimidation is not going to win you support from anyone. Talking about how you should have done this or that but your wife was the voice of reason and she stopped you from handling things physically only has a negative effect. This is not the first thread I've seen you post this sort of thing. I think any average person who is confronted with intimidation or ran up on (not saying you did this), they will either a.) fight b.) cut off all ties. If I felt someone who I was involved in a business venture attempted to physically intimidate me, the bucks stops right there, and the relationship is over. But if someone approaches me, explains the situation calmly, then I will do everything in my power to make things right. Of course, there are no guarantees that the 2nd party will makes things right, even if you do everything right. That is what small claims court is for (could be another GREAT experience for your son to see the judicial system at work first-hand as I know you are eager to educate him).

I also notice that you are throwing out other member's names in here and posting their opinions. If another member wanted their opinion posted here, they would do it themselves. You are a business owner. I'd expect you to be more savvy and sensitive than that.

I have never met either party involved in this dispute and am certainly not taking sides, but based on your conduct on this thread Nate, I'd be apprehensive to accept your business if I were running a small side job operation myself. Why take on the risk? When I first read this thread before the weekend, I was 100% behind you Nate, but somehow you *yourself* leveled the playing field within this thread. Sometimes saying less is actually saying more if you know what I am saying...

Also, in my experience, the guys who are always quick to point out how good of people they are, make me raise an eyebrow. Others can recognize you as good people. Self proclaiming how good you are tends to have the opposite effect.

You do seem like a smart guy who is helpful and willing to put others ahead of you, so I hope you can also treat this as a valuable learning experience (shoot, I recall at least a couple times when you were willing to go out of your way to help me out - having bald drag radials when the first rain started comes to mind). I definitely appreciate that Nate and I you are always welcome at my BBQ.

Given this experience, it would probably be wise to rebuild the motor... It is not expensive, it is not difficult, and it would be invaluable to the learning experience of your son.

As I mentioned before, I hope you guys are able to resolve your differences and come to an understanding.

Best of luck!

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Originally posted by RiddlerGT:
I’ve been on this site since the 9cobra8 days. Every couple of years a new member will start posting like crazy. Attempt to hook people up, talk about general BS etc. I always love it when these members turn fowl and cry wolf looking for a free hand out. Nothing is for free in life and you get what you pay for. These are the basic laws of life. No free handouts.

From what I've read it sounds like N8 had a pile of mustang to start with...This should come as NO surprise as almost 99% of them are at this point. Secondly he went the "hook up" type of shop. This is your second red flag. You want a receipt go to an actual respectable shop. There are plenty I can think of off the top of my head. Next Gen, Newtech, AED etc. I've been in the mustang game for a long time and seen it go nothing but down hill. You handled the situation poorly and you were expecting a diamond out of a pile of crap. If you cant afford $500 to do a job right get a new hobby or sell your car or learn to do it yourself.

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lol....I am sorry Riddler but you are waay off in your summary. Way off. But its cool. Let me clarify

The mustang was no where near a pile.

I did not go with a "hook up" me choosing dave had nothing to do with price. Nothing. I went with a person that was recommended by people whom I respect. Dan was my first choice and I indeed contacted him first. But he was booked.

I never expected anything for free, nor tried to sway anything on pricing. If Dave said I needed a new engine I was breaking bread for a engine.

The receipt requested was not for his work. But for the head work that was done at a "real" shop. If I ever decided to sell the car and advertised head work done, the first thing they ask for is receipts, so I wanted those. Like I have all my receipts from stuff purchased at summit.

Also I am not a new member I too was a member during 9cobra8 days. Tho for the life of me cannot remember my sn. And basically yea this started as a rant as I was heated. Maybe I should have waited to post. But consider it a PSA to avoid this gentleman. Had 06Xrunner posted his experience I would never had went with Dave.

And never once did I ever speak to what I can/cannot afford. I am a self proclaimed cheap bastard tho.

So there you have gained some clarity into the situation. I know the posting and summary of the situation by myself is pretty confusing.

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Originally posted by 89point.:
no pm yet n8, maybe my box is messed up or full again

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btw to me a 4k mustang is a pile.. wish you the best

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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btw to me a 4k mustang is a pile.. wish you the best

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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I can cause a rod knock in under a min. Who knows what exactly happened, until the old motor is apart and inspected you never know. If the cam was damaged and spreading shavings throughout the block it could cause a rod bearing to spin and produce a knock. There are too many people judging the situation from behind a monitor, until you've actually wrenched on a few cars your opinion doesn't mean shit..... no, changing your oil doesn't count. My honest opinion from what I've read here is the car had an issue before Dave touched it and the rod knock (if that's what it is) manifested itself. This is all just speculation until the motor is inspected. This is one of those unfortunate situations where mechanics end up from time to time. You can get into your car and have the engine spin a bearing on your way to work, the same thing can happen to a mechanic working on your car so pointing the finger and saying he did anything to actually cause the problem is stupid unless you saw him bouncing the car off the red line across an intersection. How it was all handled after the fact is what has N8 upset.

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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I can cause a rod knock in under a min. Who knows what exactly happened, until the old motor is apart and inspected you never know. If the cam was damaged and spreading shavings throughout the block it could cause a rod bearing to spin and produce a knock. There are too many people judging the situation from behind a monitor, until you've actually wrenched on a few cars your opinion doesn't mean shit..... no, changing your oil doesn't count. My honest opinion from what I've read here is the car had an issue before Dave touched it and the rod knock (if that's what it is) manifested itself. This is all just speculation until the motor is inspected. This is one of those unfortunate situations where mechanics end up from time to time. You can get into your car and have the engine spin a bearing on your way to work, the same thing can happen to a mechanic working on your car so pointing the finger and saying he did anything to actually cause the problem is stupid unless you saw him bouncing the car off the red line across an intersection. How it was all handled after the fact is what has N8 upset.

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i mean not intentional....i dont see anyway someone can cause that problem without trying or it already be an existing problem....i dont see dave blowing n8s motor up on purpose....thats just me. i hope it gets resolved fasthatch is a cool dude and n8 dont seem like bad people

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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I can cause a rod knock in under a min. Who knows what exactly happened, until the old motor is apart and inspected you never know. If the cam was damaged and spreading shavings throughout the block it could cause a rod bearing to spin and produce a knock. There are too many people judging the situation from behind a monitor, until you've actually wrenched on a few cars your opinion doesn't mean shit..... no, changing your oil doesn't count. My honest opinion from what I've read here is the car had an issue before Dave touched it and the rod knock (if that's what it is) manifested itself. This is all just speculation until the motor is inspected. This is one of those unfortunate situations where mechanics end up from time to time. You can get into your car and have the engine spin a bearing on your way to work, the same thing can happen to a mechanic working on your car so pointing the finger and saying he did anything to actually cause the problem is stupid unless you saw him bouncing the car off the red line across an intersection. How it was all handled after the fact is what has N8 upset.

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i mean not intentional....i dont see anyway someone can cause that problem without trying or it already be an existing problem....i dont see dave blowing n8s motor up on purpose....thats just me. i hope it gets resolved fasthatch is a cool dude and n8 dont seem like bad people

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I am 100% sure that Dave did not blow my motor on purpose. But it did happen on his watch.

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im just curious what someone can do to a car to cause a rod knock in a matter or days????????????????????????

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I can cause a rod knock in under a min. Who knows what exactly happened, until the old motor is apart and inspected you never know. If the cam was damaged and spreading shavings throughout the block it could cause a rod bearing to spin and produce a knock. There are too many people judging the situation from behind a monitor, until you've actually wrenched on a few cars your opinion doesn't mean shit..... no, changing your oil doesn't count. My honest opinion from what I've read here is the car had an issue before Dave touched it and the rod knock (if that's what it is) manifested itself. This is all just speculation until the motor is inspected. This is one of those unfortunate situations where mechanics end up from time to time. You can get into your car and have the engine spin a bearing on your way to work, the same thing can happen to a mechanic working on your car so pointing the finger and saying he did anything to actually cause the problem is stupid unless you saw him bouncing the car off the red line across an intersection. How it was all handled after the fact is what has N8 upset.

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i mean not intentional....i dont see anyway someone can cause that problem without trying or it already be an existing problem....i dont see dave blowing n8s motor up on purpose....thats just me. i hope it gets resolved fasthatch is a cool dude and n8 dont seem like bad people

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I am 100% sure that Dave did not blow my motor on purpose. But it did happen on his watch.

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good now we established the rod knock isnt daves fault, because if i tow a car into a tire shop(with engine issues) and they fix the tire and pull it out and further an issue or the issue starts it isnt there fault right?
so i dont know i wasnt there but good luck fellas no need to funk.

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