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haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day! then if they were god's gift was there no 03 maro? you might want to go to the track once in a while. then you would see how many ls1 maro's really run in the 13-14's

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Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)

Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.

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lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me. now all that a side. don't mean i'm not right about 13=14 second ls1 at the track!

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My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o

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you are wrong again. i would be so far out on you i could stop, eat lunch, read a book, get gas, and still beat you there!

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LS MOTORS FTW

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I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.

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I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.

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+1,000 add cheap coilover sleeves like Groundcontrol, Bilsteins, upgrade the SLA, PH, & TA from stamped steel to tubular pieces, relocate the LCA's, and it will handle great, for a lot less money than an Agent 47 or Griggs SLA front and PH/TA or Watts Link rear setup on a Stang.

SLA front conversion on a Fox Stang is over $4,000 alone... a PH/TA rear setup is over a grand. Plus all the supporting mods.

4th Gen F-Body comes with that suspension architecture, STOCK... PLUS a motor capable of 400rwhp with a mild cam and bolt-ons, and a T56 6-speed.

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I will say this, I think from a factory handling stand point (more than going in a straight line) an F-Body has a MUCH better chassis design with the tq arm/PHB rear, & the SLA front suspension. Why do u think Griggs & Maximum Motorsports make that same rear setup design, because the 4 link SUCKS for anything other than straight line performance, & it has horrible bind & snap oversteer when pushed to the handling limits... But on the other side of the coin, the Fox Body platform is hands down better for drag racing.

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+1,000 add cheap coilover sleeves like Groundcontrol, Bilsteins, upgrade the SLA, PH, & TA from stamped steel to tubular pieces, relocate the LCA's, and it will handle great, for a lot less money than an Agent 47 or Griggs SLA front and PH/TA or Watts Link rear setup on a Stang.

SLA front conversion on a Fox Stang is over $4,000 alone... a PH/TA rear setup is over a grand. Plus all the supporting mods.

4th Gen F-Body comes with that suspension architecture, STOCK... PLUS a motor capable of 400rwhp with a mild cam and bolt-ons, and a T56 6-speed.

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if they are/were so great why is there no 03 crapmaro/fireturd? easy they weren't so great! cause they couldn't sell them for shit.

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its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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My old f body handled better than any mustang I've owned from the same years. The interior feel is 10x better than a gt. GTs feel like you're sitting on a bar stool in the interior. Fbodies have a lower seat level makes you feel like you're in the car, not on top of it.

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Yeah, I won't go there with the speciality mustangs interiors. I just can't stand the little arm rest and low center console of the mustangs. Fbodies have a way more comfortable console.

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
haha full package from the factory. hands down the funniest thing i have heard all day! then if they were god's gift was there no 03 maro? you might want to go to the track once in a while. then you would see how many ls1 maro's really run in the 13-14's

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Yeah i'd rather own a mustang 2 and an 83 gt =)

Youre an obvious ford nut rider so ill let you be.

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lol my ford nut riding ass will put a hurting on any pos you drive. i also own a 83 capri rs 4/ turbo. one of only 423 made. sucks to be me. now all that a side. don't mean i'm not right about 13=14 second ls1 at the track!

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My corolla would fly by you while youre filling up with gas =o

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you are wrong again. i would be so far out on you i could stop, eat lunch, read a book, get gas, and still beat you there!

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Originally posted by 98 ROUSH:
FUCK THIS THREAD,,,, FTW

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Originally posted by *EPIK*:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg

@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties

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Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?


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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg

@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties

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Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg

@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties

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Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?

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the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing

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Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

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Originally posted by *EPIK*:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg

@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties

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Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?

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the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing

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True, but the suspension DESIGN is still superior on the F-Body....

Power wise, the bang for the buck will go with the F-Body over any 94-04 Mustang besides the Terminator, but that of course is in an entire different price range. Put a 99 GT & a 99 Z28 in the same garage, throw the same mods at it, Full exhaust & a cam (cams in the GT), & you tell me what car will be superior? Hell, you could even throw a Mach 1 in the mix instead of the GT, & the F-Body will still make more power.... You, I, & everyone on this forum knows this is true, if not they are in denial....


As loyal as everyone is to the blue oval, & how much they hate GM, cannot deny the truth....

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yea if its a superior design whyd a four link rear mustang beat it in the corners ?
if you have a certain budget ford is the way to go the mustang is cheaper car rite off the bat giving you a bigger budget for performance.
the ls1motor is the only good bang for ur buck not the car that comes with it that cost 5 to 7 k to get with that amount of money u can go faster in a stang
whos in denial?

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Originally posted by *EPIK*:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:
its funny that everyone jocks the fact that they came with a stamped torque arm and panhard bars like chevy invented it or somthing when that technology was around before chevy put it on the 98-02 camaro

oh yea the 99 mustang gt handled better in the corners than the 99 ls1 z28 camaro even with the "whole package deal" go figure

so jock the suspension all u want but the stock 99 mustang gt was a better handling car!!

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never said I "jocked" anything about the Camaro, & never said they invented that setup either? I simply stated facts that the phb/tq arm setup is a better setup for handling than the factory fox platform. If the fox 4 link setup was so much better, Ford would've stuck with that design & the modified McPherson front setup on the 05+ platform. Like I said before, Griggs & MM pretty much set the bar for how a fox should handle, & they both run the same design as an F Body, but with stronger parts.... Show me a successful road race Mustang that runs a factory style 4 link setup. Closest thing is Steedas 5 link.

Also, show me a test that said the 99 GT handled better, I would like to see that!

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i was speaking in genral because the 98-02 camaro is overated,
look it up car an driver track tested the camaro didnt handle as well in corners as the '99 mustang gt

so if the phb/ta that chevrolet was running was so superior then why didnt it handle better than the 99 mustang????

dont get me wrong i am currently running a MM panhard bar and torque arm on my '90 mustang

the 4 link sucks, ive known this.
but chevys set up was cheap crap and basically useless wich is pretty obvious since the fact is the camaro didnt handle as good as the 99 mustang

and the 99 mustang was still using the 4link

so if were guna talk about stock vs stock chevys phb/ta was as good as not having one at all

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-XZIctvZg

@ 3:20 it says the mustang handles better in the corners/twisties

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Cool... Well, you guys proved me wrong I guess?

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the point is ur still guna have to put alot of money into it if u wana make it handle just like a mustang. its not way better like people make it sound and i dont see any bang for buck over the mustang and thats wat the whole arguments about
yea u throw a cam in a ls1...then u add the price of the car and that mod, use the same amount and get a stang you will afford more n be faster and handle better if u kno wat ur doing

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True, but the suspension DESIGN is still superior on the F-Body....

Power wise, the bang for the buck will go with the F-Body over any 94-04 Mustang besides the Terminator, but that of course is in an entire different price range. Put a 99 GT & a 99 Z28 in the same garage, throw the same mods at it, Full exhaust & a cam (cams in the GT), & you tell me what car will be superior? Hell, you could even throw a Mach 1 in the mix instead of the GT, & the F-Body will still make more power.... You, I, & everyone on this forum knows this is true, if not they are in denial....


As loyal as everyone is to the blue oval, & how much they hate GM, cannot deny the truth....

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