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John91coupe
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Originally posted by Greasy:
Before this thread gets bombarded with anti-gun BS, normal gun owners don't do this shit.
The problem is, it is way too easy for people to get their hands on guns. I own guns, hunting guns, guns that are way more powerful and accurate than assault weapons but that are in no way designed to work in close quarters. The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd. I go to the range frequently, MOST, not just a few guys carrying assault weapons don't know how to handle the weapon and can't shoot for shit. They shoot human silhouettes, what kind of fantasy do you think there are playing in there mind? Nothing good. A lot of folks buy these guns for self defense. Please, a lot of good your home defense weapon is going to do when some nut job is storming your kid's school. Banning one kind of gun is not easy, but it's something even the brainwashed legions of NRA members need to start thinking about, a little compromise. Will banning assault weapons end these types of incidents, probably not, the Maryland dudes did a lot of damage with a bolt action rifle. But, the majority of these incidents are carried out with assault weapons, it would mean much fewer of these incidents.
I'm trying to understand what you are saying here.
I just spent 5 minutes reading and re-reading your post but I'm speechless. Just so much there that is wrong I don't know where to begin.
It's a simple message John, compromise. Give me one good practical reason for owning an assault rifle. A practical reason, not a political one.
Actually, there are quite a few reasons. First of all weapons are meant to kill, on that I'm sure we agree, whether it's a deer or a human they have a single purpose, to kill. There isn't much difference between the size of a standard AR-15 and a hunting rifle for "close quarters" engagement. I just can't wrap my head around your comment about "The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd." To me, that comment is what is absurd since all guns are meant to kill.
There is no way ANY ban on ANY type of weapon will prevent this type of tragic situation from happening. If all high capacity weapons were banned tomorrow, which will probably be the case, these events can not be stopped. There are literally tens of millions of high capacity weapons already in peoples hands. Are you suggesting that the government conficate them? That will never happen and banning them now will not reduce any possible future incidents from occuring.
I totally don't understand your comment about the NRA. What you said sounded more like an anti gun person the an NRA supporter.
The comment about using human silhouette's at the range is not a crazy practice if you have home defense in mind. That's how you practice for home defense. I would not use a deer silhouette at the range if I planned to shoot an intruder...would you?
Okay "assault rifle's". First of all an AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. That term is used by people who do not understand where the term comes from. An assault rifle is a military rifle that is select fire. It can fire semi auto, full auto or in today's military, 3 round bursts.
A civilian rifle is a rifle, is a rifle, is a rifle...period. The capacity of the magazine does not qualify a rifle as an assault rifle, only the fact that it is not fully automatic does that.
So if you want to outlaw semi auto high capacity weapons then you bring in every semi auto pistol that exists in this country. Now we're talking about semi rifles and semi pistols numbering probably over 50 million in the US.
So where do we go from here? Start with outlawing semi auto high capicity rifles. Next high capacity semi pistols. Won't stop the problem. Next confiscate all semi auto high capacity rifles and pistols. Ain't gonna happen without a MAJOR civil war.
Anyway, I sometimes use Zombie targets at the range. I guess I'm really gone in the head.
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Fuckin disquisting to bicker over shit when these babies lost their lives to some sick fuck.
People need to start raising their goddamn kids better.
Turbo50 out
Just head right on over to Walmart, Target, the mall, practically anywhere and you'll see that those days are gone.
When you can't spank your kids anymore because they know you can't, you just gave them the power to control you.
Now you punish them with no t.v. for an hour and they've learned a lot ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
My dad substituted for years in Hayward and he's been threatened with death "my brother is in a gang and he'll kill you if you do anything to me" as quoted by a 4th grader.
Just one of many threats by youngsters, he's got a bunch of others he told me.
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John,
An assault rifle is any rifle that has a detachable magazine(this is according to the BATFE). Just to be clear I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.
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Guns dont kill people.. people kill people. We have all heard it befor but, guns are no more than another piece of machinery until it gets picked up by a human. What happens after that is a concious decision by the holder.
Like I said. If we outlaw guns... then only outlaws will have them.
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John91coupe
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John,
An assault rifle is any rifle that has a detachable magazine(this is according to the BATFE). Just to be clear I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.
Pretty sure that definition is a fairly recent one. I'm thinking 1984?
Edit: Sorry, it was 1994.
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Anyway, I sometimes use Zombie targets at the range. I guess I'm really gone in the head.
Your not gone in the head, sounds like your preparing for that zombie apocolapse that is going to happen....
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It's time to turn all schools into compounds with monitored entrances and exits and armed security. Metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs are required now.
sounds like prison
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
John,
An assault rifle is any rifle that has a detachable magazine(this is according to the BATFE). Just to be clear I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment.
Pretty sure that definition is a fairly recent one. I'm thinking 1984?
LoL, youre good. That was when the ban was placed on all automatic weapons(any class 3 gun or part) and assault rifles. Now to own a automatic weapon or any other weapon that is considered to be a class 3 weapon, people are now required to go through the atf for approval and have to get a tax stamp. Making it a serious pain in the ass.. A genuine full auto sear for an AR-15 will run about 7 grand after all paper work is done... I have a few friends with their class 3 weapons license so I know a thing or two.
[ December 14, 2012, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: ILLMNRD86 ]
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Gun Bans don't work! Why? Bad guys don't give a shit about laws. That simple. That is why they are the bad guys! Taking my Rifle isn't going to stop Joe D-bag from shooting up some school. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Originally posted by cemelevu:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
It's time to turn all schools into compounds with monitored entrances and exits and armed security. Metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs are required now.
sounds like prison
They bolt the chairs down and have cameras at my 5 year olds school...so.....
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Man this is horrible I have a son of my own and I can only imagine the pain and suffering the parents are going through RIP to the families. It goes to show no where is safe now a days this area looked like a small suburban area. The shootings range from Oakland to a small area like this what the hell is going on in this world.
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This is terrible. I have only thought of my little girl ever since they broke this news.
If you have a kid, give them a hug and tell them you love them...
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18 children, 8 adults, 1 shooter dead.
let me fix it for ya
28 dead 1 injured 18 of the 28 were children who wer pronounced dead th the scene 2 at the hospital 6 adults at the scene, and the other 2 were the shooter(found dead at scene and person who lived with shooter found dead at scondary crime scene)
older brother of the shooter is in custody
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"America must stop this predictable pattern of reaction. When an isolated, terrible event occurs, our phones ring, demanding that the NRA explain the inexplicable.
Why us? Because their story needs a villain. They want us to play the heavy in their drama of packaged grief, to provide riveting programming to run between commercials for cars and cat food.
The dirty secret of this day and age is that political gain and media ratings all too often bloom upon fresh graves.
I remember a better day, when no one dared politicize or profiteer on trauma, We kept a respectful distance then, as NRA has tried to do now. Simply being silent is so often the right thing to do.
But today, carnage comes with a catchy title, splashy graphics, regular promos and a reactionary package of legislation. Reporters perch like vultures on the balconies of hotels for a hundred miles around. Cameras jockey for shocking angles, as news anchors race to drench their microphones in the tears of victims.
Injury, shock, grief and despair shouldn't be "brought-to-you by sponsors." That's pornography. It trivializes the tragedy, it abuses vulnerable people, and maybe worst of all, it makes the unspeakable seem commonplace.
And we're often cast as the villain.
That is not our role in American society, and we will not be forced to play it. Our mission is to remain a steady beacon of strength and support for the Second Amendment, even if it has no other friend on the planet. We cannot let tragedy lay waste to the most rare and hard-won human right in history
A nation cannot gain safety by giving up freedom. This truth is older than our country Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety Ben Franklin said that.
If you like your freedoms of speech and of religion, freedom from search and seizure, freedom of the press and of privacy, to assemble and to redress grievances, then you'd better give them that eternal bodyguard called the Second Amendment. The individual right to bear arms is freedom's insurance policy, not just for your children but for infinite generations to come.
That is its singular, sacred beauty, and why we preserve it so fiercely."
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
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Originally posted by Greasy:
Before this thread gets bombarded with anti-gun BS, normal gun owners don't do this shit.
The problem is, it is way too easy for people to get their hands on guns. I own guns, hunting guns, guns that are way more powerful and accurate than assault weapons but that are in no way designed to work in close quarters. The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd. I go to the range frequently, MOST, not just a few guys carrying assault weapons don't know how to handle the weapon and can't shoot for shit. They shoot human silhouettes, what kind of fantasy do you think there are playing in there mind? Nothing good. A lot of folks buy these guns for self defense. Please, a lot of good your home defense weapon is going to do when some nut job is storming your kid's school. Banning one kind of gun is not easy, but it's something even the brainwashed legions of NRA members need to start thinking about, a little compromise. Will banning assault weapons end these types of incidents, probably not, the Maryland dudes did a lot of damage with a bolt action rifle. But, the majority of these incidents are carried out with assault weapons, it would mean much fewer of these incidents.
I'm trying to understand what you are saying here.
I just spent 5 minutes reading and re-reading your post but I'm speechless. Just so much there that is wrong I don't know where to begin.
It's a simple message John, compromise. Give me one good practical reason for owning an assault rifle. A practical reason, not a political one.
Actually, there are quite a few reasons. First of all weapons are meant to kill, on that I'm sure we agree, whether it's a deer or a human they have a single purpose, to kill. There isn't much difference between the size of a standard AR-15 and a hunting rifle for "close quarters" engagement. I just can't wrap my head around your comment about "The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd." To me, that comment is what is absurd since all guns are meant to kill.
There is no way ANY ban on ANY type of weapon will prevent this type of tragic situation from happening. If all high capacity weapons were banned tomorrow, which will probably be the case, these events can not be stopped. There are literally tens of millions of high capacity weapons already in peoples hands. Are you suggesting that the government conficate them? That will never happen and banning them now will not reduce any possible future incidents from occuring.
I totally don't understand your comment about the NRA. What you said sounded more like an anti gun person the an NRA supporter.
The comment about using human silhouette's at the range is not a crazy practice if you have home defense in mind. That's how you practice for home defense. I would not use a deer silhouette at the range if I planned to shoot an intruder...would you?
Okay "assault rifle's". First of all an AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. That term is used by people who do not understand where the term comes from. An assault rifle is a military rifle that is select fire. It can fire semi auto, full auto or in today's military, 3 round bursts.
A civilian rifle is a rifle, is a rifle, is a rifle...period. The capacity of the magazine does not qualify a rifle as an assault rifle, only the fact that it is not fully automatic does that.
So if you want to outlaw semi auto high capacity weapons then you bring in every semi auto pistol that exists in this country. Now we're talking about semi rifles and semi pistols numbering probably over 50 million in the US.
So where do we go from here? Start with outlawing semi auto high capicity rifles. Next high capacity semi pistols. Won't stop the problem. Next confiscate all semi auto high capacity rifles and pistols. Ain't gonna happen without a MAJOR civil war.
Anyway, I sometimes use Zombie targets at the range. I guess I'm really gone in the head.
I still haven't heard one practical reason for owning an assault rifle. You're statements regarding "assault" are getting into semantics. A semi auto AR15 is a much more efficient killing tool than a model 700 Remington bolt action rifle.
Have you read the monthly NRA magazine? There are usually two decent articles about historical weapons or new toys and the rest of it is them trying to ram their politics down your throat.
As a hunter, I see semi rifles and pistols as just toys for shooting paper. I have no use for them. I'm sure you're a normal person who enjoys it as a hobby but I see so many people at the range who have no business handling a gun and here they are with a gun that could kill a lot of people in a very short time.
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So fucked up. Poor kids. This is such BULLSHIT! Teachers should be able to carry guns too
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I still haven't heard one practical reason for owning an assault rifle.
there is no practical reason to eat junk food, own a mustang, smoke cigarettes, but lets face it this is america and we dont model ourselfs after the rest of the world. i think we need to take a long look at our youth and the people that are raising them.
lets stop with the back and forth and take a moment to mourn the fallen.
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
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Originally posted by Greasy:
Before this thread gets bombarded with anti-gun BS, normal gun owners don't do this shit.
The problem is, it is way too easy for people to get their hands on guns. I own guns, hunting guns, guns that are way more powerful and accurate than assault weapons but that are in no way designed to work in close quarters. The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd. I go to the range frequently, MOST, not just a few guys carrying assault weapons don't know how to handle the weapon and can't shoot for shit. They shoot human silhouettes, what kind of fantasy do you think there are playing in there mind? Nothing good. A lot of folks buy these guns for self defense. Please, a lot of good your home defense weapon is going to do when some nut job is storming your kid's school. Banning one kind of gun is not easy, but it's something even the brainwashed legions of NRA members need to start thinking about, a little compromise. Will banning assault weapons end these types of incidents, probably not, the Maryland dudes did a lot of damage with a bolt action rifle. But, the majority of these incidents are carried out with assault weapons, it would mean much fewer of these incidents.
I'm trying to understand what you are saying here.
I just spent 5 minutes reading and re-reading your post but I'm speechless. Just so much there that is wrong I don't know where to begin.
It's a simple message John, compromise. Give me one good practical reason for owning an assault rifle. A practical reason, not a political one.
Actually, there are quite a few reasons. First of all weapons are meant to kill, on that I'm sure we agree, whether it's a deer or a human they have a single purpose, to kill. There isn't much difference between the size of a standard AR-15 and a hunting rifle for "close quarters" engagement. I just can't wrap my head around your comment about "The fact that people can get there hands on guns designed to kill people is absurd." To me, that comment is what is absurd since all guns are meant to kill.
There is no way ANY ban on ANY type of weapon will prevent this type of tragic situation from happening. If all high capacity weapons were banned tomorrow, which will probably be the case, these events can not be stopped. There are literally tens of millions of high capacity weapons already in peoples hands. Are you suggesting that the government conficate them? That will never happen and banning them now will not reduce any possible future incidents from occuring.
I totally don't understand your comment about the NRA. What you said sounded more like an anti gun person the an NRA supporter.
The comment about using human silhouette's at the range is not a crazy practice if you have home defense in mind. That's how you practice for home defense. I would not use a deer silhouette at the range if I planned to shoot an intruder...would you?
Okay "assault rifle's". First of all an AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. That term is used by people who do not understand where the term comes from. An assault rifle is a military rifle that is select fire. It can fire semi auto, full auto or in today's military, 3 round bursts.
A civilian rifle is a rifle, is a rifle, is a rifle...period. The capacity of the magazine does not qualify a rifle as an assault rifle, only the fact that it is not fully automatic does that.
So if you want to outlaw semi auto high capacity weapons then you bring in every semi auto pistol that exists in this country. Now we're talking about semi rifles and semi pistols numbering probably over 50 million in the US.
So where do we go from here? Start with outlawing semi auto high capicity rifles. Next high capacity semi pistols. Won't stop the problem. Next confiscate all semi auto high capacity rifles and pistols. Ain't gonna happen without a MAJOR civil war.
Anyway, I sometimes use Zombie targets at the range. I guess I'm really gone in the head.
I still haven't heard one practical reason for owning an assault rifle. You're statements regarding "assault" are getting into semantics. A semi auto AR15 is a much more efficient killing tool than a model 700 Remington bolt action rifle.
Have you read the monthly NRA magazine? There are usually two decent articles about historical weapons or new toys and the rest of it is them trying to ram their politics down your throat.
As a hunter, I see semi rifles and pistols as just toys for shooting paper. I have no use for them. I'm sure you're a normal person who enjoys it as a hobby but I see so many people at the range who have no business handling a gun and here they are with a gun that could kill a lot of people in a very short time.
Because you have no use for them doesn't mean I shouldn't own them. Perhaps there are some out there that see your hunting rifle as a threat and may someday what them banned as well. Ya just never know.
The practical reason for having an assault rifle is for the military to effectively fight wars. It's not semantics. You keep saying assault rifle and you are wrong. Your Remington 700 is also used as a sniper rifle for the military but I would be wrong to refer to your toy as a sniper rifle to define it. In fact, your 700 is much closer to being a military tool for sniping then anyones semi auto AR is to being a military rifle. No military person would take an AR-15 into combat but that 700 with a good scope....hmmm.
As for a good reason to own an AR, AK, etc? See this picture? They don't even have hunting rifles, only stones. I'm pretty sure when the founding fathers created the second amendment they didn't do it so citizens could legally have weapons to hunt.
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My question is... what would have happened if a few of those teachers had a firearm on there waist? Think about it.
Im telling you, anit gun laws will not fix a damn thing! You think motherfuckers that do this kinda shit give a damn about anit gun law? THEY DONT! Sadistic basterds like this piece of shit wake up in the morning with intent to kill. What if he had planted a bomb there? Would we be talking about anti gun laws then? GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE. guns are just a piece of machinery until somebody picks it up with the intent to kill. Think about it.
Again I ask... what if a few of those teachers had the concealed weapons permit an were trained in certain situations like this... its happened enough times for this to be a thought. Garenteee it would have been alot less worse.
My prayers are with the familys involved. Hug your fmaily an friends everybody. Theres more to life than burnouts, 10sec quarter miles and deep dish fr5s.
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Kids are dead and some of you people are worried about the government taking away your assault rifles...fucking unbelieveable. Sad day in America.
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I dont think anyones worried about there guns being taken away, that will never happen. People are discussing gun control. Sadly when people who are crazy want to kill they will. A man in china stabbed 33 children today. But no one will say oh we should take away knives.
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Kids are dead and some of you people are worried about the government taking away your assault rifles...fucking unbelieveable. Sad day in America.
yeah agree 100%. save the political shit for another day.
Imagine sending your little 6 year old kid to school and finding out they were one of the 20 kids who got massacred by that shit bag. that is some fucked up shit to go through. RIP to the 26 people killed
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