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badazlx
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i have an 89 lx with stock bottom 140k with the following mods: svo y302 heads,svo 1.6 rr,comp 284h-r14 cam retarded 4*, trick flow r series intake,bbk 70mm tb/spacer, mac equal lenth headers,off road h pipe.
well i met up with some friends and i raced a 99 cobra with exhaust and only beat him but a car length. what is wrong with my car? is the manifold to big? cam swap? any help is very much appreciated.
thanks brandon
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MachYou
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i say the intake is way to big...step down to a smaller one..tfs street/track heat...or eddy performer
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badazlx
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so too big of intake can slow the car down?
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Posts: 911 | From: roseville | Registered: Sep 2004
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JohnB
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Wow, talk about a mis-matched combo. A Trickflow street heat combo with 3.73's would walk all over both of those cars.
Ya, kill the intake. A Performer intake and a smaller cam would do wonders. I'd venture a guess that you're either experiencing valve float or coil bind as well, that's alot of cam for those heads/springs.
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Wow, talk about a mis-matched combo. A Trickflow street heat combo with 3.73's would walk all over both of those cars.
Ya, kill the intake. A Performer intake and a smaller cam would do wonders. I'd venture a guess that you're either experiencing valve float or coil bind as well, that's alot of cam for those heads/springs.
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that intake and cam is like for a stroker setup or somethin. just too much for that motor. u'd need to spin that engine to like 6500-7k to see power, ur probably peaking at like 5500 or so. my .02
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badazlx
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what cam should i run? not worried about smog just want to go fast. and would a rpm2 be to big?
[ February 10, 2008, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: badazlx ]
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Posts: 911 | From: roseville | Registered: Sep 2004
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LQ9SN95
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Originally posted by badazlx:
what cam should i run? not worried about smog just want to go fast. and would a rpm2 be to big?
rpm2 should be fine. still a tiny bit big, but better for ur setup than the trickflow one.
cam....i'll let someone else chime in because i always get flamed for puttin my opinion on cams. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
[ February 10, 2008, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: F8LSN8K ]
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badazlx
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so i should trade my intake for the rpm2 then? and find another cam, so i need input on cams wanna do the swap next weekend, will i feel a big gain in power?
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Posts: 911 | From: roseville | Registered: Sep 2004
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LQ9SN95
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Originally posted by badazlx:
so i should trade my intake for the rpm2 then? and find another cam, so i need input on cams wanna do the swap next weekend, will i feel a big gain in power?
should feel more power and will run better overall. ya trade ur intake.
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badazlx
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should i run a motorsport cam?
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Posts: 911 | From: roseville | Registered: Sep 2004
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should i run a motorsport cam?
when i do my heads and cam. i personally am goin with 165 afr's and a f303 cam. dont care what anyone says, thats just me.
u can get a f cam or what for some one to chime in and tell u get a custom cam or somethin more specific.
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badazlx
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do you think the x-cam would be too much?
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Posts: 911 | From: roseville | Registered: Sep 2004
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Quick 88LX
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What you need to do is simple: Contact Ford Motorsports and ask them what they recommend. Your primary go fast part will remain Ford (heads) so the best thing to do is to talk to the guys who built that part and see what success they've had with various cam and intake combos. They will give you excellent advice since it's their product you're using.
Quick example: During one of my previous builds, a few years back, I just couldn't seem to nail down the perfect cam. So, I contacted my top three choices; Ford, Anderson FM, and TrickFlow. They all replied to my questions, even complimented one anothers products, while outlining the drawbacks/advantages of using each one of their cams instead of someone elses. In the end, and a dozen e-mails later, Trickflow suited MY combo best and ended up getting me into the high 12's with off the shelf parts and no fine tuning whatsoever... I hadn't even upgraded my fuel or electronics yet!
Bottom line: The TrickFlow cam complimented MY parts best and made my little pony a sweet runner. Do a little legwork on the front end and enjoy a much better performing combination on the back end. I have done this on every build since and I've enjoyed outstanding results.
My .02 for the day ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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caballosalvaje331
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i've heard a lot of good stuff aboud trickflow stage 1. that is the cam i'm putting on my car when i do my heads and intake. sounds real nice too.
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Originally posted by Quick 88LX:
What you need to do is simple: Contact Ford Motorsports and ask them what they recommend. Your primary go fast part will remain Ford (heads) so the best thing to do is to talk to the guys who built that part and see what success they've had with various cam and intake combos. They will give you excellent advice since it's their product you're using.
Quick example: During one of my previous builds, a few years back, I just couldn't seem to nail down the perfect cam. So, I contacted my top three choices; Ford, Anderson FM, and TrickFlow. They all replied to my questions, even complimented one anothers products, while outlining the drawbacks/advantages of using each one of their cams instead of someone elses. In the end, and a dozen e-mails later, Trickflow suited MY combo best and ended up getting me into the high 12's with off the shelf parts and no fine tuning whatsoever... I hadn't even upgraded my fuel or electronics yet!
Bottom line: The TrickFlow cam complimented MY parts best and made my little pony a sweet runner. Do a little legwork on the front end and enjoy a much better performing combination on the back end. I have done this on every build since and I've enjoyed outstanding results.
My .02 for the day
sup nick? long time no see!what u been up too, and do u still have the fox?
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badazlx
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can the f cam be installed strait up on the stock bottom end? will it make alot of power and with nitrous later on?
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
if thats the case with the tfs1 than the f cam should be just as good if not better.
tfs1..... .221/.225 .499/.510 112lsa
f303.... .226/.226 .512/.512 114lsa
Why do you think that? Split duration cams work well with those heads. They are not that strong on the exhaust. I ran a E-cam with my GT40x heads and it worked out well. My heads have nice port work done to them. Plus the e-cam was free lol. One thing for sure whoever helped you set up your first combo ,do not use them again.
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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
if thats the case with the tfs1 than the f cam should be just as good if not better.
tfs1..... .221/.225 .499/.510 112lsa
f303.... .226/.226 .512/.512 114lsa
Why do you think that? Split duration cams work well with those heads. They are not that strong on the exhaust. I ran a E-cam with my GT40x heads and it worked out well. My heads have nice port work done to them. Plus the e-cam was free lol
u just contradicted urself.....guys has ford heads..u said "Split duration cams work well with those heads." then u said "I ran a E-cam with my GT40x heads and it worked out well" which are fords heads aswell. so ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Lq9 swap
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Trick flow heads
T rex cam
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hey guys would the f cam pass smog? see i have a 95gt auto, and i 've heard if the lope is higher is better for the computer, is that true, lope on f cam 114 and i believe the stock cam is 115. reason i'm asking is cost if i'm putting a cam on my car i want to be computer friendly, don't have the money for custom tune.
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Originally posted by caballosalvaje331:
hey guys would the f cam pass smog? see i have a 95gt auto, and i 've heard if the lope is higher is better for the computer, is that true, lope on f cam 114 and i believe the stock cam is 115. reason i'm asking is cost if i'm putting a cam on my car i want to be computer friendly, don't have the money for custom tune.
the f cam probably could pass smog. in a sn95 computers are sensitive to mods. so might be a pain in the ass for the car to idle. even when i did my e cam, car didnt wanna idle so had to go tune it. u can probably make it idle without a tune if the person knows what they are doin and how to set shit up. in my case he just "threw it in"
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badazlx
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i meant will the cam need to be retarded to clear the pistons? and will it make good power?
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i meant will the cam need to be retarded to clear the pistons? and will it make good power?
i've read somewhere that tricflow stage 1 will clear, piston if using 1.9 intake and 1.6 ex valves. dont' know about the f cam.
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but i's always better to check piston to valves clearance just to be safe.
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