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Another Bart incident. looks like Bart isnt at fault this time. guy was drunk and wanted to fight everyone
http://cbs5.com/video
[ November 22, 2009, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: scoop510 ]
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wow maybe im seeing things since its just a pov but thats excessive force at its finest.
they realy did say that the video was just a point of view lol.
to many bad cops out there all of a sudden............or is it finaly catching up to there punk ass!!!!!
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I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".
Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".
Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...
the first PIG to speak up i guess
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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".
Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...
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Originally posted by slowback67:
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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".
Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...
+1
+2, if your calm and listen to what they tell you, you wont get man handled.
[ November 22, 2009, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: 90FoX ]
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the first PIG to speak up i guess
I guess your the second retard to speak up on this post.
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Originally posted by 90FoX:
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Originally posted by slowback67:
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Originally posted by 5OHS5OH:
I see a drunk asshole getting what he asked for. And I think I saw (or heard) some happy BART customers giving applause where it was due. I think I also saw that guy put his hand into the window when the cop was putting a control hold on, and I think I also saw the guy not listening to the cops instructions to "get on the ground".
Geeze, that cop was an asshole. He should have just ignored the guy and let him be on his way, freedom of speech and all...
+1
+2, if your calm and listen to what they tell you, you wont get man handled.
OBJECTION: sounds like "I think" speculation.
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Drunk fuck got what he asked for hahahaha I think it was funny, fr5.0 did you recently get a speedint ticket or something?
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+1000 Drunk ass got what he deserved, there was women & children on that train and he is acting crazy, you get handled. BTW if you watch the video again the suspects throws a punch at the glass. And if you have been diagnost with bi polor or scitzo dont be getting drunk in public, not a good combo.
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if the guy was out of control on that train why are you handleing the guy all by yourself? maybe they (bart police) are tring to make the situation seem more extreme then it really is (out of control combative drunk not saying its not possible but.... since when does the a cop subdue an out of control person by throwing them at a wall, why not take him straight to the floor. to me it looks like the cop was attempting to ruff the guy up.
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he should have shot him! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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he should have shot him!
rite in the lower calf then when hes on one knee shoot him in the head. that will teach those drunk bastards ![[dance]](graemlins/dance.gif)
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Well consider that dude paid. The broke window all but insured that. Right or wrong he is paid as in the a legal sense that is excessive force. Now in a street/holding court in the street sense. He got what he deserved. Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid. Sucks but it is life these days on BART. Why work to get rich when you can ride BART and get paid by actin a ass.
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Originally posted by N8:
Well consider that dude paid. The broke window all but insured that. Right or wrong he is paid as in the a legal sense that is excessive force. Now in a street/holding court in the street sense. He got what he deserved. Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid. Sucks but it is life these days on BART. Why work to get rich when you can ride BART and get paid by actin a ass.
No doubt, he will get paid. I do agree that he probably should have taken him to the ground. definitely not the same as getting shot in the back.
BTW ..... I cant believe they have real glass no plexi? wtf
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i think he shoulda just threw him out the window!!!
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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.
I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.
The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.
Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.
The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.
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Originally posted by That_Guy:
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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.
I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.
The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.
Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.
The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.
EXCELLENT post! I agree 100%
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Originally posted by That_Guy:
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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.
I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.
The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.
Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.
The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.
You must didnt watch the same vid I watched lol. The officer did put some "umph" on the relocatin to the wall. The dude was not struggling or fighting and appeared to be subdued for the most part IMO. But like I said, I have no sympathy for the offender and feel sorry for the cop. But even I could get a cool settlement for him with that video.
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yeah, I don't think the cop will lose his job over this but because of the other recent incident involving bart police this officer will be disciplined in someway.
about that guy breaking the glass on his own, i don't know but it would take some good force to break thick glass like that and raising your arm isn't going to do it unless you were forced into it. remember he didn't punch that glass he only raised his arm to it and that isn't enough to break it unless you got momentum (shoved)
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by That_Guy:
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Originally posted by N8:
Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid.
I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody.
The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW.
Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better.
The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom.
You must didnt watch the same vid I watched lol. The officer did put some "umph" on the relocatin to the wall. The dude was not struggling or fighting and appeared to be subdued for the most part IMO. But like I said, I have no sympathy for the offender and feel sorry for the cop. But even I could get a cool settlement for him with that video.
Well here is the video I watched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbk5EsuTQxg
You can see the suspect clearly dragging his feet and resisting the officer's escort and then continue to resist all the way to the ground.
You can see how agitated and unstable the man is on the train and the confrontation that is just starting to occur with another BART rider... The officer has to go in there and take control.
What do you want the officer to do?
Officer: "Sir, Sir come step off the train and tell me what is going on" (because I have no command presence and I am afraid of what people might think tomorrow.)
Suspect: "Fuck you, I am king of this...blah blah"
(Giving the suspect time to take a fighting stance and making a bad situation worse. It would have been all bad if it would have gone hands on in that small train car with a crowd of people)
Like I said, hind sight it 20/20, but that is not how reasonable force works in our country... The officer used necessary and reasonable force at that moment to overcome the resistance of again a clearly agitated and unstable man.
I want to know why that was glass and not plexiglas or some other material... That is really what makes this whole incident look bad.
Sometimes you have to check someone against a wall to get their attention and overcome their resistance and again that would not be "excessive"!
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^ didn't want to quote all that ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?
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^ didn't want to quote all that but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?
If he took him straight to the ground in the train or right outside of the train, he would have had to deal with the people on the train possibly interfering or antagonizing the suspect making him more resistive... He separated the suspect from the people he was harassing to hopefully calm the situation and take control.
Furthermore, if the officer took the guy straight to the ground and the suspect hit his face off the ground, would we not still be having this same conversation?
There are always, "what if's" and he could have done this instead of that, but what is comes down to is this officer did what he felt was reasonable and necessary to overcome resistance and keep himself and the public safe.
Again, I go back to hindsight it always 20/20 and it doesn't matter what force he used in that situation, there was a video camera and it will always be second guessed.
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^ didn't want to quote all that but what about just bringing his ass straight to the ground he won't be able to do much on his ass. if he was combative getting him against a wall would allow him to continue to stand on his feet bring his ass to the ground, and if the guy was combative and the situation was getting out of hand why subdue him all by yourself?
If he took him straight to the ground in the train or right outside of the train, he would have had to deal with the people on the train possibly interfering or antagonizing the suspect making him more resistive... He separated the suspect from the people he was harassing to hopefully calm the situation and take control.
Furthermore, if the officer took the guy straight to the ground and the suspect hit his face off the ground, would we not still be having this same conversation?
There are always, "what if's" and he could have done this instead of that, but what is comes down to is this officer did what he felt was reasonable and necessary to overcome resistance and keep himself and the public safe.
Again, I go back to hindsight it always 20/20 and it doesn't matter what force he used in that situation, there was a video camera and it will always be second guessed.
well when i wrote take him to the ground of course I meant off the train first, common thats given remove the guy from the situation away from the train first.
I agree that the person was not responding to the officers commands, if the officer took him straight to the floor and he did hit his head I really don't think there would be that big of a media mess from it. taking him to the ground and he gets injured from it you can argue that situation alot better then him getting injured from a shove to a wall/glass window. its always hindsight of what should of been done but that shit don't look good, period and a picture is worth a thousand words. he won't be fired and I don't think he should be for this but there will be backlash from the public if nothing comes of this. too many incidents in such a short time from the same group (bart police)
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Dont see anything wrong with that video!
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