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Blind
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I hate to break it to you, but fresno is not socal.
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BlackNGold
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Originally posted by NotchBack 90:
[QUOTE]Most 96 cobras? You guy don't have a F___ing clue about these mod motors in northern cal do you? In southern california if you made that much power with a blower something is wrong period.
Those hp numbers are not impressive for a 99 cobra with a turbo. ![[BS flag]](graemlins/bs_flag.gif)
I thought those numbers were good!...486rwhp from a stock long block 4V with 10-11psi of boost?...That's pretty awesome...I'm not sure how long that will last, but nice numbers all the same... ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'
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Originally posted by JohnB:
Wow, what a pissing contest. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
If you want decent power for a low price, as you indicated in one of your posts...you can't beat a used S trim or Novi 1000. Depending on what you are attempting to accomplish, and parts given, will determine what your setup is actually capable of.
It all depends on how deep your pockets are. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
exactly, there is a reason why turbos are more money and have more into them then just a blower and two pipes and an extra belt. If I had the money when I bought my S-trim I would have gotten a turbo, but I couldn't pass up the deal I got on the S-trim. S-trims are cheap and very available used.
The question of which one is better will always be a big argument, just like Ford vs. Chevy, its all in what you like.
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I wouldn't want more than 400 rwhp from a stock bottom dohc. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
It's bound to break so F that.
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Posts: 3011 | From: Stockton/Danville | Registered: Nov 2003
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THE King Cobra
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Sorry for getting all late on this but. I have a V-1 on my Cobra and its built block. I made about 479.5 @ 6K and @ 10.0lbs of boost. I think those are respectable numbers. I love my supercharger and I got a deal to good to be true on it but EVENTUALLY when I get the money I will upgrade to a TURBO, because I know I can achieve higher dyno #'s then those with 10 lbs on a turbo. I still need to get bigger injectors (55#'s) and a second fuel pump to achieve my 600 RWHP mark. Plus I have have another 2000 more rpms to go with the setup. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posts: 315 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Oct 2002
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Jdub07
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I vote blower is better than turbo. Don't ask me why because I don't like debating and listening to 100 people take what I say and twist it in to a big pile of shit. Turbo's are cool though I love the sound when the car gets on it ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
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Hungry Hippo
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electric boost is best because it runs off the electrical system
no heat, no backpressure, no lag, no using power. just look at all the race cars switching to electric waterpumps. best of all, it only costs around $50 for the blower, $130 for an upgraded alternator if you want to run extra boost, and dont forget the volt and amp guages for the pillar
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Posts: 2959 | From: east bay | Registered: Nov 2001
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Hrly01Stng
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id prefer S/C blower for street applications because they seem to be easier to maintain and is a lot cooler.. turbos run really hot for a street car... they do make the power..
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Posts: 336 | From: Milpitas | Registered: May 2003
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93PONY
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Originally posted by NotchBack 90:
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Full boost at peak torque is simply incredible! No centrifugal SC that I know of can do that. Roots produce a LOT of heat & are RPM limited by design.
A turbo motor will make more power under the curve then any blower setup Period.
BTW, turbo's run off heat as well as pressure.
Most 96+ cobra's make ~390-430RWHP with Blowers & all the bolt-ons.
Check this out:
http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18046
Most 96 cobras? You guy don't have a F___ing clue about these mod motors in northern cal do you? In southern california if you made that much power with a blower something is wrong period.
Those hp numbers are not impressive for a 99 cobra with a turbo.
I don't have a clue about these motors? Haha! I build these things for a living. If I didn't know that the fuck I was doing, we wouldn't be in buisness. One of our 4V's has put out is just over 400RWHP on motor (at 283ci w/low compression) & well over 800RWHP with a blower. Hell, we even have our own intake manifold for 96-98 4V's.
Countless 4V's with 10lbs of boost, off-road exhaust, & a street tune (91 octane) make just over 400RWHP. Add race-gas & up the boost & more power will come.
That Turbo 99 Cobra pushes 12lbs of boost & made all that power with just 14 degrees TOTAL timing. That is VERY impressive! So is 500+RWTQ from a 281!
It is you who doesn't know shit about these motors.
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thanks you guys are great, but sadly im going to have to postpone supercharging or turbocharging till at least the end of summer $$$$. any way thanks again. does any one know a place where you can buy complete reliable super/turbo kits.
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AaronC
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Munch Munch... This popcorn sure is good
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Posts: 776 | From: woodland | Registered: Dec 2000
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Originally posted by blind:
I hate to break it to you, but fresno is not socal.
I also hate to break it to you, do you really think I post where I live?
My bud down here with a whimpy novi 1k and
intercooler put down the same numbers as that 99 cobra with a stone stock motor. Edited: and a ported intake. (Yes I know it doesn't have the torque curve of a dump truck like the turbo does)
Oh and Mr. 93 pony. This was stock, as in stock as a rock. No headers, just a ported intake we did ourselves which was later tuned on 91 octane at Power train dynamics. Because I know nothing about mod motors and was owned….. our setup in N/A form put down 327rwhp SAE with all the right parts. (When the blower was added to keep the car smog legal all the good parts were taken off do to the smog nazi)
Yup, guess I don’t know shit about these motors…. Oh well.
Don't get super personal man, if you still think that all 96 and up mod motors make only around 400 rwhp on pump gas.... well that's news to me because I don't see any of those around here.
Also if your shop makes intakes and what not where are the big bore strokers? I'm sure you guys know those whimpy 324 cubic inc mod motors are throwning down over 400 rwhp all motor.
[ May 18, 2004, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: NotchBack 90 ]
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mustanggt5091
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Originally posted by NotchBack 90:
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Originally posted by blind:
I hate to break it to you, but fresno is not socal.
I also hate to break it to you, do you really think I post where I live?
My bud down here with a whimpy novi 1k and
intercooler put down the same numbers as that 99 cobra with a stone stock motor. (Yes I know it doesn't have the torque curve of a dump truck like the turbo does)
Oh and Mr. 93 pony. This was stock, as in stock as a rock. No headers, just a ported intake we did ourselves which was later tuned on 91 octane at Power train dynamics. Because I know nothing about mod motors and was owned….. our setup in N/A form put down 327rwhp SAE with all the right parts. (When the blower was added to keep the car smog legal all the good parts were taken off do to the smog nazi)
Yup, guess I don’t know shit about these motors…. Oh well.
Don't get super personal man, if you still think that all 96 and up mod motors make only around 400 rwhp on pump gas.... well that's news to me because I don't see any of those around here.
Also if your shop makes intakes and what not where are the big bore strokers? I'm sure you guys know those whimpy 324 cubic inc mod motors are throwning down over 400 rwhp all motor.
Hey AaronC pass the popcorn
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Posts: 2353 | From: Fairfield / Santa Rosa , Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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Rev Happy
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Originally posted by 93pony
Most 96+ cobra's make ~390-430RWHP with Blowers & all the bolt-ons.
What do you consider all the bolt-ons?
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Originally posted by 93Pony
Countless 4V's with 10lbs of boost, off-road exhaust, & a street tune (91 octane) make just over 400RWHP.
Thats far from all the bolt-ons in my book... And if you're talking about full exhaust being LTs and so forth, those numbers are way low IMHO...
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Hell, we even have our own intake manifold for 96-98 4V's.
We? LOL... Didn't know that you were involved in making the 96-98 HCI mongoose intake... The castings for that intake were made over two years ago (by someone else that left the company), thats why you guys only have a few left on that shelf with no plans on making more...
[ May 18, 2004, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Rev Happy ]
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Originally posted by Rev Happy:
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Originally posted by 93pony
Most 96+ cobra's make ~390-430RWHP with Blowers & all the bolt-ons.
What do you consider all the bolt-ons?
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Originally posted by 93Pony
Countless 4V's with 10lbs of boost, off-road exhaust, & a street tune (91 octane) make just over 400RWHP.
Thats far from all the bolt-ons in my book... And if you're talking about full exhaust being LTs and so forth, those numbers are way low IMHO...
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Hell, we even have our own intake manifold for 96-98 4V's.
We? LOL... Didn't know that you were involved in making the 96-98 HCI mongoose intake... The castings for that intake were made over two years ago (by someone else that left the company), thats why you guys only have a few left on that shelf with no plans on making more...
Actually the mongoose intake can not be made again unless they start from scratch due to the unfortunate incident that happen down in Australia. And as plans for making another one are still up in the air.....no one said they would definately stop making the intake.
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BlackNGold
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Originally posted by 93PONY:
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Countless 4V's with 10lbs of boost, off-road exhaust, & a street tune (91 octane) make just over 400RWHP. Add race-gas & up the boost & more power will come.
I gotta admit shaun, 400rwhp is on the low side for a 4v with a centrifugal blower...
[ May 18, 2004, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Black94 5.0 ]
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93PONY
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The person who 'made' the intake is Dave Inall. The same guy who 'made' my Incon turbo kit. I don't know the whole story on who actually designed the intake...I know who cast them, I know who first had the idea/desire, & I know who stole the design. I could care less who designed it. 'We' (HCI Motorsports) sell the intake to 'our' customers. 'We' also sell H-beam rods, forged pistons, & a host of other quality parts... I don't know who designed any of that shit either...nor do I care.
Notchback:
I never said 'all 96-98 4V's make around 400RW with boost & bolt-on's.' I said MOST.
I see countless Racesystem tuned 96-98 cobra's with exhaust, & the other basic bolt-ons making 400-430RWHP. Sure, on occuasion you find one the puts out more....& on occuasion you find one the pust out less. The vast majority put out 400-430 around here.
I could care less what one cobra down in So-Cal put down with a ported intake. Cut the runners & the motor will peak higher in the RPM. Wow. HP = TQ * (RPM/5252) Therefore the higher you can make TQ in the RPM, the more HP you'll get....especailly with a blower as the higher you spin a blower, the more air it'll push. A few years back one of my buddies had a 98 cobra that put out around 430RWHP. He cut the runners on the stock intake & did some porting & the thing lost TQ & gained massive high-rpm HP. Nearly busted 500RW if I remember correctly. That's still only one car....
The point is, that 99Cobra has an off-road exhaust & 12lbs from the turbo kit. 480RWHP may not sound 'that impressive' to some of you, but only fools look at 500RWTQ & say 'that's not impressive'.
How much TQ does a 96+ 4V make with off-road exhaust & 12lbs of boost from an Vorturd? It'd be hard pressed to break 400RW let alone 500!
So, which car will pull harder in the 1/4 or on the street? The one with massive low-end torque? Nah.....turbo's don't make power down low!
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Shuan dont you go thru this argument like every 3-4 months.
I knew you were due soon.
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Boost it is all good this is a never ending argument on every Mustang board out there. All I know is with my vorturd I picked up 1.5 seconds and 18 mph in the 1/4 mile for drum roll.... only 2000.00 dollars total investment. I also have never run it on drag slics so it might be even more ET. I am impressed buy the driveability and power of my V2-SQ, 11.4 at 124 out of a stock short block with H,C,I(which is on its last breath) daily driven streetcar. I can't stress how drivable this thing is. I do have to say if I ever get the cash to build a all out drag 5.0 it will be sporting a big Turbo.
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93PONY
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2-stangs:
Your car impesses me. Let me know when you hit up Sac next, I'd like to see it run.
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BlackNGold
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Originally posted by FordPny:
Shuan dont you go thru this argument like every 3-4 months.
I knew you were due soon.
I'm glad to see you're adding to the technical debate on this thread...
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when i get my car on the street and go to sac ill hit you up, but it will take a little time. and i need to practice racing otherwise it will be poinless cuz ill probably turn a low 14 high 13? sec car into a 15 sec car. but when i go ill pm you or let you guys know my times. thanks
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ok lemme get in this, personally i think turbos are WAYYYYYYYYYY better....reason why?? well lets see...why are there so many restricting rules on turbo guys vs the sc guys?? haha...they want to make it FAIR they say..lol and also i wonder why non of the SC guys have stepped up on this challenge
"Why does the NMRA give the supercharger combinations a 33% Bigger Engine and a 55% Bigger Power Adder in SSO and the Pro classes?
Check out the FACTS at our Frequently Asked Questions (F.A.Q) Section!
At PTK we think that Procharger or Vortech should grudge race a turbo car of our choice with the a 480 cid or smaller engine, a 106mm turbo & boost controller on NMRA legal tires and suspension heads up for a best of 5 side by side races to see which power adder is superior with a fair power adder/ engine combination, let us know what you think at our Customer Support Forum.
Maybe the supercharger companies would like to match our $5,000.00 grudge funds and let's see who can run what? We will, run you any where, anytime!
UPDATE:
Since the blower supporter(s) are already making excuses about their being a limit on the blower cars engine and power adder ( something us turbo people deal with in every organization ) we have decided to lift the limits and the blower car, the blower car is welcome to run any sized engine, head unit, tires and suspension and the turbo car will do the same!
You blower guys are so use to having an advantage that you can not race straight up anymore, HUH!
$5,000.00 is waiting for you Procharger and Vortech!
UPDATE: As od 04/05/2004 None of the blower Companies has taken us up on our offer!"
more info here
http://66.70.20.245/pages.asp?pid=2
enough said..turbo OWNZ
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