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Stalkerstang
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Hi. I'm lightning89mg older brother. I just have a question. I have a 95 stang/automatic that is stock. I have 3:73 in the rear end and ram air kit w/ K&N filter. At the track my best time was a 15.4 (which I am not happy about at all) so I've decided to put $$ into my car.I would like ot get the Edelbrock Performer II manifold with BBK pulley kit as well as BBK shorty headers and BBK X-Pipe exhaust system w/ high flow cats and 40 sereies 2-chamber flowmasters. Would anybody eb able to tell me possibly how much more HP increase I will get (stock comes with 215) and how much time will I be bale to take off in the quarter mile?? Thanks!! ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posts: 16 | From: Belmont, Ca. | Registered: Feb 2004
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BlackNGold
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Dont get the Edelbrock RPM II manifold for your car...The runners are too short and it makes power in the higher RPM where you wont reach with stock heads....Stick with the regular Performer intake....
Dont buy BBK, there are a ton of other products that have WAY better quality control....Try ASP pulley's, Ford racing performance parts headers, Bassani X pipe, and Flowmaster "cat-back"...You might want to add a shift kit on top of that...
With pulleys, an intake manifold, headers, catted X-pipe and a cat back I'm guessing you'll probably be in the 14's....Those mods are worth about 40hp
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NorCalRydaz
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Get nitrious. Best bang for the buck!!! $300 make you fly
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DropTopFox
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When I had my 95 I went 15.8 at 88mphwith a 2.3 60 ft. I added cold air, FMS pulleys(you can get those really cheap at Serramonte Ford), then a BBK off road H 2 chamber flows and the two things that really made my car scream were the 4.10's and the shift kit. My neck was snapping when the car shifted it was great. After this I went 14.2 with a 2.2 60 ft at 99.8 MPH. That was on street tires with 10* of timing. Bump timing up to 14 and give me some dragradials or slicks and we're talking 13's. You already have the ram air, I would just get the c&l tube that goes between the mass air and TB. Smoothe out some of those curves the stock tube has. I could pick up the pulleys for you tomorrow for $100 if you want me to. If I was you I would keep your stock H and get a Bassani off road X. Your dad or Marc even could change to the stock pipe in the matter of an hour for you to pass smog, then the off road X will get you numbers you're looking for the rest of the time. Don't get the flows, try something straight through like Dynomax or Magnaflows seem to be real popular these days. Your almost there with the gears as well, get the shift kit(gotelli's $70 plus install) and these few thinks and some sticky tires and talk about some 13's. It'snot going to take a manifold to get you where you want to be. You could hit the same numbers you would've with that manifold for way less money. If this doesn't satisfy you then you cn go with some more bolt ons like headers and a mass air meter and aluminum driveshaft. It's not always smart to go expensive. If you want more than this just spray it like everyone says. If you tune it right, it will be as safe as it gets ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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PeNiNsula302
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DropTopFox:
[qb] When I had my 95 I went 15.8 at 88mphwith a 2.3 60 ft. I added cold air, FMS pulleys(you can get those really cheap at Serramonte Ford), then a BBK off road H 2 chamber flows and the two things that really made my car scream were the 4.10's and the shift kit. My neck was snapping when the car shifted it was great. After this I went 14.2 with a 2.2 60 ft at 99.8 MPH. That was on street tires with 10* of timi
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lightning89mg
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Hey, we want to keep his car smog legal, so its gonna be x-pipe with high flow cats. But if the intake is pointless what else would help hp other than Nitrous... I dont want to do anything too major like heads or cam, but what other things that are LEGAL can we do???? Thanks guys!
Posts: 222 | From: Belmont | Registered: Apr 2003
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PeNiNsula302
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we've pretty much named them all marc...
the only other things that i can think of are... deleting the a/c and power steering, 1.7 rockers, 65mm throttle body
[ March 01, 2004, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: PeNiNsula302 ]
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Stalkerstang
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I checked Summit Catalog and I think Im gonna go with the Performer Manifold. IT says it dynaed 37 extra HP at 5,500 rpm w/o sacrificing torque and I think it will increase the HP in my motor some. I think it will do better then my stock manifold. I think it will work even with the stock stuff I have. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Hungry Hippo
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a manifold is not worthless on a stock 5.0. its one of the best mods you can buy especially if you find a used one for $300-350
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PeNiNsula302
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Originally posted by HungryHippo:
a manifold is not worthless on a stock 5.0. its one of the best mods you can buy especially if you find a used one for $300-350
Thats an awful waste of good money ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) . The rest of the mods listed will have more of an impact than getting a manifold. Get some track times with the other mods first, add the manifold, and then see if it was worth the bucks. If your gonna spend $350+ on anything why not get nitrous which can drop you roughly 7-9 tenths than a manifold which might get you 1.
Rick, that 37hp is a maximum power gain and im sure on a non stock application. Im sure even cold air can give you 15 hp with the right combo ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Hungry Hippo
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so spending $600+ on a full exhaust isnt a waste of money? headers dont do shit. catback barely does anything. the only thing that will make power is the X/H pipe. a new maf wont do anything. the intake is the most restrictive part on a 5.0
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PeNiNsula302
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I think the stock exhaust is a little more restrictive than the intake in this situation, but hey its his money, right? You can find some used headers and an x-pipe im sure for $200 in good condition, and a catback is how much? $600 is a rough figure... I didnt say to get a new maf, i mentioned the same inlet tube that drop top was talking about.
-oh and the heads are the most restrictive part on a 5.0
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BlueLightning302
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first thing I would get is torque converter.
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Posts: 207 | From: San Jose | Registered: Jan 2004
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Marc I thought you had a lightining? Did you and your brother trade cars? I would get a converter get heads cam and intake and you will be set
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DropTopFox
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quote:
Originally posted by lightning89mg:
Hey, we want to keep his car smog legal, so its gonna be x-pipe with high flow cats. But if the intake is pointless what else would help hp other than Nitrous... I dont want to do anything too major like heads or cam, but what other things that are LEGAL can we do???? Thanks guys!
Well we have two bad moves here. I understand your concern for keeping the car smog leagal which is why I stated to keep the stock pipe laying around while the off road pipe is on the car making more power than a catted pipe which people seem to be having trouble with on the new smog anyways You're losing everything from your tranny rick until you realize that your car won't make any of the power numbers these parts are advertising. They also advertise motor power and not rwhp. People are willing to give you good advice, it's yours to take if you wish.
shift kit shift kit shift kit, but never mind I don't remember anything about what worked and what didn't on my old 95
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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DropTopFox
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Originally posted by HungryHippo:
so spending $600+ on a full exhaust isnt a waste of money? headers dont do shit. catback barely does anything. the only thing that will make power is the X/H pipe. a new maf wont do anything. the intake is the most restrictive part on a 5.0
I didn't tell him to spend this money on a manifold nor exhaust. I told him tp spend $70 on a shift kit and $260 on an off road pipe from bassani. Yes those two mods will own a performer intake manifold at the track. If you don't believe this you buy a stock 94-95GT with an automatic and I'll buy one. You throw a performer intake on and I'll throw a shift kit and an off road pipe on and we'll see who wins. The most restrictive part on a 5.0 is not the manifold it's the heads. I'm going to have quote 93 Pony on this one. "Build it, Race it, proove your point!" I had a 95 GT with a shift kit, 4.10's off road pipe, CAI, pullies, and a cat back with street tires and 10* of timing. It went 14.2 at 98. Best capable 60ft was a 2.2 with the 4.10's and street tires. If you want to substitue the shift kit and off road pipe for a manifold and proove to me I'm wrong go for it, I'd even pay half the money to see it happen
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Hungry Hippo
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i was implying that headers and catback are a waste of money. why cant he buy an intake as well as a shift kit and X/H pipe?
i have proved my point... 94 gt, cobra intake, catted H, pulleys, 3.73's, nothing else 13.8@100. out of every mod i have done, the cobra intake has done more than anything else alone. it gives you 500 more useable rpms
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DropTopFox
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yea this is on a 5 speed that you can shift as fast as you want. The stock AODE blows ass and with a shift kit it was worth much more time then any other mod. You can't expect the same results from an AODE that you can a T5. I'm talking about matching the money for money not getting both at the same time. Go drive an AODE and you'll see how incredibly long it takes to shift, we're talking a half a second just our of a shit kit at least
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DropTopFox
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Byt the way judging by your car page if you hit 13.8 with just those 3-4 mods why do you only hit 13.6 after all the rest of your mods including the cam and ported heads, not to mention rockers ignition headers, I'm all confused here...this stuff only gave you two tenths ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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PeNiNsula302
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Originally posted by DropTopFox:
Byt the way judging by your car page if you hit 13.8 with just those 3-4 mods why do you only hit 13.6 after all the rest of your mods including the cam and ported heads, not to mention rockers ignition headers, I'm all confused here...this stuff only gave you two tenths
and 2 mph
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Hungry Hippo
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Originally posted by DropTopFox:
Byt the way judging by your car page if you hit 13.8 with just those 3-4 mods why do you only hit 13.6 after all the rest of your mods including the cam and ported heads, not to mention rockers ignition headers, I'm all confused here...this stuff only gave you two tenths
exactly, that is my point. btw it was 13.5 with untouched heads and before the cam was degreed.
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lightning89mg
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Waoh, Ryan, no need to be angry... Now one person is saying one thing, while the other person says something else. We came on this forum to find help, but instead we got 2 different opinions and a bunch of people fighting. After reading this whole thread, it seems that we should just sell the mustang and buy a chevy, because one person says one part makes a difference while the other says its a waste of money and garbage... So, clearly nuthing has been accomplished here! Good work guys! ---> ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
Posts: 222 | From: Belmont | Registered: Apr 2003
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PeNiNsula302
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Well your bound to get a couple different opinions on a message board... But then again thats whats good about it, you get different tips/views that the other person might not know... In this case, go with what you think is gonna work on the car, but im 100% with ryan and many others would agree as well...
btw: that is ryan calm, ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Scott, honest to God, I hate you! lol, j/k bro, well the reason we asked about the mods is to get info... Cause if I know what was gonna work, I would not have asked.. especially you! lol, j/k again! I know, its just difficult cause you want to spend the least amount of $$ and get the most amount of performance possible.. U know how it is!!!
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