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Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
If you were there...what exactly would you have done? Take your shirt off to put out the flames? Dive in to rescue them? I am confused.
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Check out the cars he and his friend Roger Rodas collected and housed in the shop near where they wrecked, tons of saleen foxbodies. http://youtu.be/U189SwhPXKI
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
If you were there...what exactly would you have done? Take your shirt off to put out the flames? Dive in to rescue them? I am confused.
Sure as fuck wouldn't be videoing people burning to death. But hey if it can get you some likes or upvotes, I guess it's ok in your book.
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Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
If you were there...what exactly would you have done? Take your shirt off to put out the flames? Dive in to rescue them? I am confused.
Sure as fuck wouldn't be videoing people burning to death. But hey if it can get you some likes or upvotes, I guess it's ok in your book.
ok...recording burning people...is morbid. But at the same time. People would want to know what happened. Documentation is necessary. The same as recording WAR?!
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
Honest truth is most regular people are so passive they'd rather call 911 or snap a pic for their Instagram or Facebook with their dumb ass smart phones. Nobody's got any sense to go and run for a fire extinguisher which EVERY business is required to have on its premises.
It takes a couple of minutes for a car fire to start getting out of hand and the bystanders probably sat there and watched it ignite and then get bigger and bigger, shit don't explode like they do in the movies. There had to have been someone who could have grabbed an extinguisher somewhere close by, so fuck those people who let these two sit and cook.
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Well, there is some common sense. Good insight.
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Damn that's a trip! RIP Paul!
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
Honest truth is most regular people are so passive they'd rather call 911 or snap a pic for their Instagram or Facebook with their dumb ass smart phones. Nobody's got any sense to go and run for a fire extinguisher which EVERY business is required to have on its premises.
It takes a couple of minutes for a car fire to start getting out of hand and the bystanders probably sat there and watched it ignite and then get bigger and bigger, shit don't explode like they do in the movies. There had to have been someone who could have grabbed an extinguisher somewhere close by, so fuck those people who let these two sit and cook.
I thought they said it exploded, if that's the case there would have been nothing anyone could have done but i agree most people would rather take pics. As a first responder i deal with that all the time.
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Even though the guy driving was a former race car driver, driving a MR vehicle is much trickier than FR vehicle. Saw this info on how to get out if a slide on a MR car.
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Many people are asking me what to do in a slide, drift situation in a MR car check the bottom and thanks for the gold.
The CGT is RMR or Rear Mid-engine/ Rear-wheel drive and these types of cars are different/harder to drive fast than most cars.
If you throw an object with the weight in the front forward, the object will tend to want to follow the weight. In the case of a midengined car, a lot of the weight is behind the driver. Like throwing a carpenter's hammer with the head in the back, one can observe it rotate in mid-flight.
In a front engined car, when you go around a corner, the front of the car will want to stay in front. In fact, it will resist turning, so that means the car tends to "understeer" which means it turns less than you want. If you go into a corner too hot, you increase the understeer. That is not good, because you can run off the road with the front of the car. But it is somewhat controllable and you can slow the car down in the turn if you are too fast.
The physics of cars is that if you go into a corner too hot in a front engined car and hit the brakes, you slow down and actually can transfer grip to the front tires, since the car experiences more weight shift. You unweight the rear tires, so you can increase oversteer, which may reduce the understeer. In any case, if you wreck, you will probably do so nose first. But you can handle things by slowing the car down with brakes.
This is why most production cars are understeer biased. It's safer for the general public. Front engined cars are probably safer also for people who are not skilled also.
Now here is the difference in a midengined car. The weight is behind you. And it always wants to be in front. There are some good things in physics about the weight being behind you in racing. The ability of the car to rotate. Weight over the driving wheels. Launching. Weight transfer under braking. All better.
The first thing to understand is what we mean when we consider the ability of a tire to maintain traction with the road surface. To keep this under 1000+ words, I will just say that it's very important, and when you exceed the ability of the tires, you lose control. Many things come into play that determine what the ability of your tires are. These things may be:
Speed or g-forces. Sideways forces take their toll. Weight pressing down on the tires. If you unweight the tire, it will lose grip. Road and stickiness. Ice of course is bad, so is a patch of wet or some gravel, or even a small bump that upsets the weight balance.
The main trick with some of those things is to not get too close to your limits of adhesion, because none of us are superhuman and can forsee everything possible ahead of us on the road. You can play with the limits where it is safe to do so. But a public road is not the place.
However, what typically happens is this. Driver goes into turn near the limits of the tires ability. We call that driving near 10/10ths. Most non-skilled drivers can't feel the difference between 8/10ths and 11/10ths.
Something happens. That patch of wet. Something in the road. Evasive maneuver. A squirrel. Something. Or maybe just realizing you are going into the turn too hot. Probably the most common reason.
You can do certain things BEFORE the turn. Remember, the mass behind you wants to go straight in front of you. If you are in a straight line, that is not a bad thing. If you are in a straight line, hit the brakes hard. But in the turn....now you have an issue.
The normal driver reaction is to panic. And panic is not good. If you abruptly lift on the throttle, jerk the steering wheel, or worse, slam on your brakes (which most people do).... you cause some things to happen. You transfer weight to the front of the car so now the front increases it's grip, but the rear loses grip. And the rear wants to lead. The rear end will start a very bad oversteer where the car starts to spin. Even if you can catch it, often the correction will induce a huge spin in the opposite direction.
And if you are spinning, you have almost no control. You will have no idea where you will end up. You can spin into things or opposing traffic.
The solution for this is to understand and learn car control. One of the best (safe) places to learn car control and what 10/10ths is, is a local autocross. Here you can spin out over and over. And many people do. Even on a safe racing track, it's not always safe to spin out and go off the track.
Famous racing quote: "Understeer is when the front of the car hits the wall. Oversteer is when you hit with the back."
In a slide, When in doubt, both feet out!
In a small slide, stay off the brake, breathe off the gas, correct the drift.
In a spin, both feet in! (this means clutch and brake)
In a big rotation, when you cannot correct it, lock the brakes to keep a predictable path and slow as fast as possible push in the clutch to keep the engine from stalling or spinning backward
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Rip. Sucks he was the passenger! Never had a chance
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hey wildfire given your experience fighting fires, when the crash happened do you think a fire extinguisher would have helped spare the lives of the two people in the car?
also guys do you think it exploded because it was heavily modded?
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hey wildfire given your experience fighting fires, when the crash happened do you think a fire extinguisher would have helped spare the lives of the two people in the car?
also guys do you think it exploded because it was heavily modded?
Where is the gas tank? What caused it to ignite?
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Spent the night last night visiting family in Valencia. About 2 miles down the road from the crash sight. As we arrived at our hotel I heard a bunch of emergency vehicles flying by. I told the bellman.....must be something crazy going on....didn't find out it was Paul until the his morning.
Just left the crash site....a sombering experience.
Rip Paul walker. You will be missed.
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thanks for that write up!
Very informative
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135.O
thanks for that write up!
Very informative
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
If you were there...what exactly would you have done? Take your shirt off to put out the flames? Dive in to rescue them? I am confused.
I work in fire protection, and every single one of my vehicles has a fire extinguisher in arms reach, at all time. definitely could've made the attempt to rescue him, instead of making a video of it.
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good to know...where do you purchase fire extinguishers? I know myself and the majority of my friends don't have one.
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
The people who was recording thought it would explode, they watch to much movies
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
Pisses me off. Everyone was taken video and walking around. Yet not 1 fuck was given to dead. No one tried to help, just walked around as people burned to death. That is what is wrong with the world.
If you were there...what exactly would you have done? Take your shirt off to put out the flames? Dive in to rescue them? I am confused.
Lol thats what i did..at a car meet
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Check out the cars he and his friend Roger Rodas collected and housed in the shop near where they wrecked, tons of saleen foxbodies. http://youtu.be/U189SwhPXKI
damn ,he was a real car guy to
that sucks rip
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The crash scene...
http://youtu.be/5R976MdhNhg
looks like it was too late to save anyone's life.
Why did the car explode in the first place? Cars are made to save the occupants in a collision.
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hey wildfire given your experience fighting fires, when the crash happened do you think a fire extinguisher would have helped spare the lives of the two people in the car?
also guys do you think it exploded because it was heavily modded?
No, if it exploded they were probably dead. Ive been to a lot of car fires and never seen one explode. the car looked beat up too, im sure it wasnt a 20mph crash, judging by the car parts all over the street. At the point they were video taping from, they were without a doubt dead and unsavable.
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