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There is a structure of laws that tells us what is right. The fact that somebody would side with the officers on this would tell me that they too cannot set aside feelings and really look at the situation. You are just incapable. And that's ok.
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don't expect cops to take chances when it comes to their safety
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Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
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If you defend that group of cops, your a fucking moron.
It's not the judgment on taking the shot that's the worse part. It's the fact that this happened because they wanted to flex nuts on somebody that was annoying them. The guy was a d-bag for standing there with his phone. But I know I'm mature/man enough to let something like that go. Wait till he crosses your perimeter then go put cuffs on him.
Did you have a rough life growing up? Problems with authority? So, when you're asked to leave and mind your own business you sit there with your thumb up your ass and kick it because you think its Ok? Cool. you sir, are the Moron.
Have some god damn common courtesy. I don't care if they're cops, civilians or whatever. You post up on someone's Business with a phone set on record, blasting music, ( shit song at that ) and refuse to leave after being asked multiple times to, with an excuse as "civil rights allow me to be here" you're acting like a total ass hat. The dude is 52 years old and is still a moron.
There's no power trip here. No ball busting. Just a total moron with a dog and didn't follow simple instruction. end of story.
Well said Mak ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Yes the subject has a right to exercise his free will but by law, when you resist, delay or obstruct an officer of his or her duties you are committing a crime. I feel bad for the dog but the subject wanted that attention, it is not hard to turn around and walk away.
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Originally posted by 66_5.0:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
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Originally posted by Arch:
If you defend that group of cops, your a fucking moron.
It's not the judgment on taking the shot that's the worse part. It's the fact that this happened because they wanted to flex nuts on somebody that was annoying them. The guy was a d-bag for standing there with his phone. But I know I'm mature/man enough to let something like that go. Wait till he crosses your perimeter then go put cuffs on him.
Did you have a rough life growing up? Problems with authority? So, when you're asked to leave and mind your own business you sit there with your thumb up your ass and kick it because you think its Ok? Cool. you sir, are the Moron.
Have some god damn common courtesy. I don't care if they're cops, civilians or whatever. You post up on someone's Business with a phone set on record, blasting music, ( shit song at that ) and refuse to leave after being asked multiple times to, with an excuse as "civil rights allow me to be here" you're acting like a total ass hat. The dude is 52 years old and is still a moron.
There's no power trip here. No ball busting. Just a total moron with a dog and didn't follow simple instruction. end of story.
Well said Mak
Yes the subject has a right to exercise his free will but by law, when you resist, delay or obstruct an officer of his or her duties you are committing a crime. I feel bad for the dog but the subject wanted that attention, it is not hard to turn around and walk away.
I don't see anything good that can come out of purposely trying to obstruct and distract officers while they're just trying to do their jobs especially those dangerous situations
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
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Originally posted by Arch:
If you defend that group of cops, your a fucking moron.
It's not the judgment on taking the shot that's the worse part. It's the fact that this happened because they wanted to flex nuts on somebody that was annoying them. The guy was a d-bag for standing there with his phone. But I know I'm mature/man enough to let something like that go. Wait till he crosses your perimeter then go put cuffs on him.
Did you have a rough life growing up? Problems with authority? So, when you're asked to leave and mind your own business you sit there with your thumb up your ass and kick it because you think its Ok? Cool. you sir, are the Moron.
Have some god damn common courtesy. I don't care if they're cops, civilians or whatever. You post up on someone's Business with a phone set on record, blasting music, ( shit song at that ) and refuse to leave after being asked multiple times to, with an excuse as "civil rights allow me to be here" you're acting like a total ass hat. The dude is 52 years old and is still a moron.
There's no power trip here. No ball busting. Just a total moron with a dog and didn't follow simple instruction. end of story.
He didn't do anything illegal. Problem with authority? No, problem with abuse of authority. He is allowed by law to do what he did. Why use your discression as an officer to detain somebody within the confines of the law? If he wasn't supposed to be here, then they should of had a larger perimeter blocked off. He was 50 yards from those officers when they decided to make contact.
To top if off, he was too much of a coward to finish what he started. "No no, let's let the owner and everybody else watch the dog die slowly, my testees won't allow me to fire another shot."
wait a minute... you think he's abusing his authority/power/badge and you want him to execute the dog? People, and animals survive gun shot wounds to the head. It would've just opened an even bigger can of worms had he walked up to it and just blasted it in the head. to be honest? the dude has some big jewels to even lay off a few shots like that in that kind of situation.
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The response here is chilling! Couple of things:
1.) I'm a dog owner and an animal lover. I've had animals in my family most of my life. It was difficult to watch that dog go through the pain that it did, especially with the owner watching. As someone that cares about their dog, I protect my dog. I keep them on a leash to both protect my dog from other people and to protect other people from my dog. If I put my dog in the car, I make sure my dog can't jump out of the window.
You may know that your dog is the friendliest dog in the world, but others don't know that. And many people are scared of dogs, especially large dogs, especially large dogs that are approaching them in an aggressive manner with no leash. It's not difficult to see that those officers were in a hostile situation. When I was watching that video, I thought to myself, oh oh, if that dog gets loose, this could get ugly (I have no doubt that those officers thought the same thing. And based on the reaction of the audience, they thought the same thing too). It then wasn't a surprise that the dog approached the officers aggressively and the officers reacted. And it was preventable if the owner wasn't irresponsible! He could have restrained the dog better, and he could have cleared the area knowing it was a hostile situation rather than sticking around and adding to the problem.
2.) We have developed this culture of testing limits, testing bounds, getting confrontational with authority and teetering that line because, "we aren't breaking any laws, so F you Mr. Officer, what are you going to do to me punk?" Police officers are human, they can make mistakes. When put in hostile situations where they feel unsafe, they can react impulsively. I'm not saying it's right, but it can lead to a dead dog or worse.
Too many of these controversial police acts that divide us are a result of the individual not cooperating, adding to the hostility of the environment, testing limits, simply not being smart, etc.
Cooperate! Get out of the way of police work. Don't be confrontational, especially if you aren't involved, keep your animals restrained and most of these issues will be prevented. Also, some of these officers aren't veterans. They are youngsters who lack experience. Protect yourself by being smart!
And most of all, challenging police officers in the heat of the moment is NEVER a good idea. Stand clear. Don't be the cool guy, it's not the time. Save that for later.
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Originally posted by 66_5.0:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
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Originally posted by Arch:
If you defend that group of cops, your a fucking moron.
It's not the judgment on taking the shot that's the worse part. It's the fact that this happened because they wanted to flex nuts on somebody that was annoying them. The guy was a d-bag for standing there with his phone. But I know I'm mature/man enough to let something like that go. Wait till he crosses your perimeter then go put cuffs on him.
Did you have a rough life growing up? Problems with authority? So, when you're asked to leave and mind your own business you sit there with your thumb up your ass and kick it because you think its Ok? Cool. you sir, are the Moron.
Have some god damn common courtesy. I don't care if they're cops, civilians or whatever. You post up on someone's Business with a phone set on record, blasting music, ( shit song at that ) and refuse to leave after being asked multiple times to, with an excuse as "civil rights allow me to be here" you're acting like a total ass hat. The dude is 52 years old and is still a moron.
There's no power trip here. No ball busting. Just a total moron with a dog and didn't follow simple instruction. end of story.
Well said Mak
Yes the subject has a right to exercise his free will but by law, when you resist, delay or obstruct an officer of his or her duties you are committing a crime. I feel bad for the dog but the subject wanted that attention, it is not hard to turn around and walk away.
How did he resist, delay or obstruct? He was 50 yards from the nearest fucking officer. He was in the way of NOTHING. He was simply annoying. That's it, he was guilty of being an annoying D-bag.
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For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
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After viewing again, your right, looks like 35-45 yards. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
Show us your gift all knowing wise one, lololol. Did you just learn the word comprehension and understanding because you seem like you really have no clue what they mean or how to use them within proper context. Just cause some people can easily separate the FACT that dude didn't restrain his dog is what lead to the cops shooting it, doesn't mean we have no clue how to compute the digital images placed forth in our brains from the video posted. Now if you want to say we're a bunch of jackasses and are wrong then that's just your opinion but the facts are the facts. Get over it and stop calling everybody dumb, except for don lol.
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
Show us your gift all knowing wise one, lololol. Did you just learn the word comprehension and understanding because you seem like you really have no clue what they mean or how to use them within proper context. Just cause some people can easily separate the FACT that dude didn't restrain his dog is what lead to the cops shooting it, doesn't mean we have no clue how to compute the digital images placed forth in our brains from the video posted. Now if you want to say we're a bunch of jackasses and are wrong then that's just your opinion but the facts are the facts. Get over it and stop calling everybody dumb, except for don lol.
Again, since you can't get it. The dog doesn't have to be restrained if he's not being detained without reason.
How about somebody jogging their with there dog? How about if a cop detains them without reason, would you blame them for not being able to restrain the dog while being cuffed?
No probably not, because they shouldn't be cuffed for simply jogging. Same thing here, no laws broken. Just cops flexing nuts.
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Oh by the way, you obviously have no idea what comprehension means. It is " the act or action of grasping something with intellect."
Something that Hidnos and yourself are not doing.
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
Show us your gift all knowing wise one, lololol. Did you just learn the word comprehension and understanding because you seem like you really have no clue what they mean or how to use them within proper context. Just cause some people can easily separate the FACT that dude didn't restrain his dog is what lead to the cops shooting it, doesn't mean we have no clue how to compute the digital images placed forth in our brains from the video posted. Now if you want to say we're a bunch of jackasses and are wrong then that's just your opinion but the facts are the facts. Get over it and stop calling everybody dumb, except for don lol.
Again, since you can't get it. The dog doesn't have to be restrained if he's not being detained without reason.
How about somebody jogging their with there dog? How about if a cop detains them without reason, would you blame them for not being able to restrain the dog while being cuffed?
No probably not, because they shouldn't be cuffed for simply jogging. Same thing here, no laws broken. Just cops flexing nuts.
If a jogger is being detained and the jogger's dog does the same thing this dog did, THE SAME SHOULD BE REPEATED
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Oh by the way, you obviously have no idea what comprehension means. It is " the act or action of grasping something with intellect."
Something that Hidnos and yourself are not doing.
Dictionary.... You should buy one.... Your teachers and peers failed you miserably, sorry ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
Oh by the way, you obviously have no idea what comprehension means. It is " the act or action of grasping something with intellect."
Something that Hidnos and yourself are not doing.
Dictionary.... You should buy one.... Your teachers and peers failed you miserably, sorry
1 a : the act or action of grasping with the intellect : understanding b : knowledge gained by comprehending.
Straight from Merriam-Webster moron!
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
Show us your gift all knowing wise one, lololol. Did you just learn the word comprehension and understanding because you seem like you really have no clue what they mean or how to use them within proper context. Just cause some people can easily separate the FACT that dude didn't restrain his dog is what lead to the cops shooting it, doesn't mean we have no clue how to compute the digital images placed forth in our brains from the video posted. Now if you want to say we're a bunch of jackasses and are wrong then that's just your opinion but the facts are the facts. Get over it and stop calling everybody dumb, except for don lol.
Again, since you can't get it. The dog doesn't have to be restrained if he's not being detained without reason.
How about somebody jogging their with there dog? How about if a cop detains them without reason, would you blame them for not being able to restrain the dog while being cuffed?
No probably not, because they shouldn't be cuffed for simply jogging. Same thing here, no laws broken. Just cops flexing nuts.
You're always responsible for your dogs actions regardless if you're being detained or not. It's called accountability, look that one up in the websters dictionary. The guy was clearly obstructing justice with his display of disrespect of the police's work space. I don't sit by the deep fryer at McDonalds and disturb you at your job, why is someone fucking with the cops during an investigation? Only an idiot would do that and only an idiot would defend that person.
How was he able to put the dog in the car before he got cuffed? He didnt to a complete job, its like when you cook my fries half way, you know i'm gonna send them back and have you recook them right? In this instance the dog jumped out and attacked. Cops, yourself, George zimmerman all have a right to defend themselves. FUCK THAT DOG OWNER!
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by Arch:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
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Originally posted by Arch:
For the record, I'm not one of the members here that live in the ghetto hating police. I have family in law enforcement as well as friends.
This one really gets to me though. The guy was within every right and he couldn't have possibly been considered "in the way".
You are as off on your repeated measurement of "50 yards" as you are on your input about the situation
You have an inability to take in the situation. Like I said, it's ok. Comprehension and understanding is a gift not given to all.
Show us your gift all knowing wise one, lololol. Did you just learn the word comprehension and understanding because you seem like you really have no clue what they mean or how to use them within proper context. Just cause some people can easily separate the FACT that dude didn't restrain his dog is what lead to the cops shooting it, doesn't mean we have no clue how to compute the digital images placed forth in our brains from the video posted. Now if you want to say we're a bunch of jackasses and are wrong then that's just your opinion but the facts are the facts. Get over it and stop calling everybody dumb, except for don lol.
Again, since you can't get it. The dog doesn't have to be restrained if he's not being detained without reason.
How about somebody jogging their with there dog? How about if a cop detains them without reason, would you blame them for not being able to restrain the dog while being cuffed?
No probably not, because they shouldn't be cuffed for simply jogging. Same thing here, no laws broken. Just cops flexing nuts.
You're always responsible for your dogs actions regardless if you're being detained or not. It's called accountability, look that one up in the websters dictionary. The guy was clearly obstructing justice with his display of disrespect of the police's work space. I don't sit by the deep fryer at McDonalds and disturb you at your job, why is someone fucking with the cops during an investigation? Only an idiot would do that and only an idiot would defend that person.
How was he able to put the dog in the car before he got cuffed? He didnt to a complete job, its like when you cook my fries half way, you know i'm gonna send them back and have you recook them right? In this instance the dog jumped out and attacked. Cops, yourself, George zimmerman all have a right to defend themselves. FUCK THAT DOG OWNER!
Obstructing justice? What a joke. Take that to the joke of the day thread.
Wouldn't have needed to defend themselves had they not made poor decisions to detain somebody because of their anger.
Since you mention it, I am on Zimmermans side. He was the victim.
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Does anyone have any insight on what was going on in the house? Or why the officers were there in the first place?
As I read on, I see a lot of "What" happened. When we really should be discussing "WHY" this happened.
Like I said earlier...this was 100% avoidable.
Why is the owner acting all hard and "HOOD" during the original video?
Why is he trying to act kind and innocent during this video:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1466773308001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAGBdRAo~,t2cIYZUexJ2HLdBYSBIAhhF2g1dnagVO&bctid=2520804003001
What a little bitch. I wish I could slap the shit out of him for max
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