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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Tell me what you think of people who don't believe in your religion?

1) i would like to know this as well
2) if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????
3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

it certainly seems to me that the majority...rather than minority are militant murderers.

*note...i did not say all...i said MAJORITY and i am willing to hear what muslims have to say about it, but it seems like rhetoric to me, as actions speak much more aggressively than words

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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; 70% of Muslims in Jordan and 56% of Nigerian Muslims share this view. Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries, as do 65% of Muslims in Nigeria and 58% in Jordan. When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.

Hamas was founded as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

Rachel Aspden's article, The Rise of the Brotherhood states that The Muslim Brotherhood currently advocates suicide bombing attacks on civilians to fight Zionism, and its self-admitted Palestinian wing Hamas indiscriminately targets Jews as such, both civilians and the military, in Israel. In its Charter, Hamas cites The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and prophesizes the ultimate complete annihilation of Jewry

An honor killing or honour killing (also called a customary killing) is the killing of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators (and potentially the wider community) that the victim has brought dishonour upon the family or community. Honour killings are directed mostly against women and girls. The report of the Special Rapporteur... concerning cultural practices in the family that are violent towards women, indicated that honour killings had been reported in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Yemen, and other Mediterranean and Persian Gulf countries, and that they had also taken place in western countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom, within migrant communities.

Muslim women, Ali says, are utterly controlled by their fathers and brothers. In many Islamic societies, such as Saudi Arabia, they are not even allowed out of the homes without an escort. They certainly are not allowed to be well educated or to choose their own mates. She says, "In the real world, equal respect for all cultures doesn't translate into a rich mosaic of colorful and proud people interacting peacefully while maintaining a delightful diversity of food and craftwork. It translates into closed pockets of oppression, ignorance, and abuse."

Gallup survey can’t find one British Muslim who approves of homosexuality...“The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality,” the study said. “None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.”Remarkable. They couldn’t find a single British Muslim who would come out publicly in support of homosexuals. Not one.

According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association, seven countries still put gay, lesbian and bisexual people to death for same-sex actions. Those countries are: Iran Mauritania Saudi-Arabia Sudan United Arab Emirates Yemen Nigeria (death penalty applies to 12 Northern provinces with Sharia law)

Recommending a "careful and prudent approach," Bolton cautioned that "A democratic election can produce illiberal results. If you want to see what a Muslim Brotherhood looks like when it takes control, look at Hamas in the Gaza strip, it's not pretty." "There is no guarantee that democratic forces can keep things moving in the right direction," he warned.

Sir you have no argument, these are merely retarded accusations which you have copy and pasted. You don't believe me? Look at the typo after Muslim woman. Which Ali are you speaking of.

I suggest that you read the real truth, the holy quran, ponder about it, and in the end if Allah wills, He will put some sense in your head.

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Originally posted by 88gotbarz?lx:
Damn Bro I love the way you know so much about Islam and your still so respectful even after they keep being disrespectful. Props to you Bro! I'm Muslim myself and honestly you taught me little things I didn't know. Thank you for standing up and still doing it in a proper manner.

Asalamu -alaikum (peace and blessings be upon you.)

Jazaqkullah u khairan (may Allah be pleased with you), or in other words, thanks you very much its well appreciated. I'm glad I could be of help to you.

Well its said in a "hadith", or preserved noted quotation if a Muslim finds wrong he should stop it using his hands, partly meaning to interlude in a situation for the greater good, if he is not that courageous he should speak upon the wrong doing, and if all else fails; and this part defines of having the weakest amount of faith is to tell himself it is wrong what he sees. Obviously, were all civilized and we do not live in a barbaric era, so I took a more settle and professional approach. I could've easily chased them all out sign off and laugh at this whole situation, but people observe to find faults. I said to my myself no, if I do this I will be accussed of being selfish, intolerant, and misguided. Like I said before, treat people the way you wish to be treated.

And kudos bro for speaking up. It takes balls to come out and wrestle in the yard. How long have you been a Muslim? Were your parents Muslim, or did you convert?

I was born Muslim and I'm afghan but were you a born Muslim its amazing how much you know about the religion. I need to step my game up and learn some more about my religion. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Tabarakallah, its a great feeling meeting a new brother. I am Palestinian, but I too was born Muslim as well. WE all need to step our game, and seek guidance, its your rightful duty as a Muslim to go find knowledge about this world and the life hearafter. Thanks, its not easy to speak about something so delicate, especially if your "un-trained" so to say. It takes determination more than guts to invite towards da'wah "invititation towards Allah" If you need help, or you want me to point you to the right direction, I will hastly do so. Wow a brother who shares the same Passion I do about mustangs, ain't that just great.

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quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Tell me what you think of people who don't believe in your religion?

1) i would like to know this as well
2) if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????
3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

it certainly seems to me that the majority...rather than minority are militant murderers.

*note...i did not say all...i said MAJORITY and i am willing to hear what muslims have to say about it, but it seems like rhetoric to me, as actions speak much more aggressively than words

Freedom of Religion; It is rooted in our quran and given as a fact that Islam advocates a Freedom of Religion, and All state forever in the Quran that "No compulsion in religion". No wonder why Christian, Jews have live 100s of years under the domination of the Islamic caliphs and the Jews till now is praised that the best time ever lived in Europe was when they ln Andulius under Muslim rules. Having said, Islam gives full privacy for you to live your relgion as long as you don't propogate or advocate wrongfull acts in the society regardless you are Muslim or not.

2. Majority vs Minority: When Muslims lived under one leader for more than 1300 years, all the peaceful approach of Islam is the way directed in Quran was followed, but when the West intentionally disintegrated Muslims (mainly France and Britain), they left Muslim unruled, and now we have 1.6 Billion Muslims which are all running Islam the way the want. Unless the Islamic rule takes place, no one can control this crowd.

3. The Flag; Again these are individual acts. If they were under one role (say like USA) no such act will be allowed.

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For your first question, yes we do believe in that. But we are weak, divided and unstable to help othersx let alone to help ourselves.
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quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Tell me what you think of people who don't believe in your religion?

1) i would like to know this as well
2) if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????
3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

it certainly seems to me that the majority...rather than minority are militant murderers.

*note...i did not say all...i said MAJORITY and i am willing to hear what muslims have to say about it, but it seems like rhetoric to me, as actions speak much more aggressively than words

Well for one, Its that one dictator that reels you in with gifts and promises and hopes to a clear future. Its the one thing ALL dictators do. Give you freedom and protection etc.... Once you start to love them and adore them, They have you. You cant change your mind now because more than Half the country is in love with this leader that you just had a change of heart for.


Me personally, Im Afghan but I was born and raised here. Im more American than some Americans. My people put up a resistance on many regimes and dictators. Its a never ending civil war for my country. Sometimes people just cant continue the fight anymore because of all the bloodshed and violence and losses.


For the rape/violence stuff. Thats not a religious thing. Sure the stoning and other stuff is. But most of it is based on pride. For muslims, your women are the highest standards of people. Its like that in MANY muslim cultures. You want your women/sisters/daughters etc.. to be pure til marriage. I cant get too into it because its such a looooooong and technical topic.

Im Muslim, but honestly, I'm not a practicing Muslim. I know how to pray, I know whats right and wrong. But at the end of the day, I believe in Karma. Theres ALOT of stuff I do thats against my religion but I beleive whatever you do with good intentions will come back to you. Im not a crooked guy and I like to be fair and just to everyone. Thats why I dont like to be judged by religous basis. Why should I get booted to hell if I have tattoos and drink and have sex, If at the end of the day, Im still good guy. At least I think im a good guy myself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Carless:
quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Tell me what you think of people who don't believe in your religion?

1) i would like to know this as well
2) if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????
3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

it certainly seems to me that the majority...rather than minority are militant murderers.

*note...i did not say all...i said MAJORITY and i am willing to hear what muslims have to say about it, but it seems like rhetoric to me, as actions speak much more aggressively than words

Well for one, Its that one dictator that reels you in with gifts and promises and hopes to a clear future. Its the one thing ALL dictators do. Give you freedom and protection etc.... Once you start to love them and adore them, They have you. You cant change your mind now because more than Half the country is in love with this leader that you just had a change of heart for.


Me personally, Im Afghan but I was born and raised here. Im more American than some Americans. My people put up a resistance on many regimes and dictators. Its a never ending civil war for my country. Sometimes people just cant continue the fight anymore because of all the bloodshed and violence and losses.


For the rape/violence stuff. Thats not a religious thing. Sure the stoning and other stuff is. But most of it is based on pride. For muslims, your women are the highest standards of people. Its like that in MANY muslim cultures. You want your women/sisters/daughters etc.. to be pure til marriage. I cant get too into it because its such a looooooong and technical topic.

Im Muslim, but honestly, I'm not a practicing Muslim. I know how to pray, I know whats right and wrong. But at the end of the day, I believe in Karma. Theres ALOT of stuff I do thats against my religion but I beleive whatever you do with good intentions will come back to you. Im not a crooked guy and I like to be fair and just to everyone. Thats why I dont like to be judged by religous basis. Why should I get booted to hell if I have tattoos and drink and have sex, If at the end of the day, Im still good guy. At least I think im a good guy myself.

You are a good person, dont let that religion make you believe you arent just because you want to live and enjoy your life.

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quote:
Originally posted by 88gotbarz?lx:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; 70% of Muslims in Jordan and 56% of Nigerian Muslims share this view. Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries, as do 65% of Muslims in Nigeria and 58% in Jordan. When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.

Hamas was founded as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

Rachel Aspden's article, The Rise of the Brotherhood states that The Muslim Brotherhood currently advocates suicide bombing attacks on civilians to fight Zionism, and its self-admitted Palestinian wing Hamas indiscriminately targets Jews as such, both civilians and the military, in Israel. In its Charter, Hamas cites The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and prophesizes the ultimate complete annihilation of Jewry

An honor killing or honour killing (also called a customary killing) is the killing of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators (and potentially the wider community) that the victim has brought dishonour upon the family or community. Honour killings are directed mostly against women and girls. The report of the Special Rapporteur... concerning cultural practices in the family that are violent towards women, indicated that honour killings had been reported in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Yemen, and other Mediterranean and Persian Gulf countries, and that they had also taken place in western countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom, within migrant communities.

Muslim women, Ali says, are utterly controlled by their fathers and brothers. In many Islamic societies, such as Saudi Arabia, they are not even allowed out of the homes without an escort. They certainly are not allowed to be well educated or to choose their own mates. She says, "In the real world, equal respect for all cultures doesn't translate into a rich mosaic of colorful and proud people interacting peacefully while maintaining a delightful diversity of food and craftwork. It translates into closed pockets of oppression, ignorance, and abuse."

Gallup survey can’t find one British Muslim who approves of homosexuality...“The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality,” the study said. “None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.”Remarkable. They couldn’t find a single British Muslim who would come out publicly in support of homosexuals. Not one.

According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association, seven countries still put gay, lesbian and bisexual people to death for same-sex actions. Those countries are: Iran Mauritania Saudi-Arabia Sudan United Arab Emirates Yemen Nigeria (death penalty applies to 12 Northern provinces with Sharia law)

Recommending a "careful and prudent approach," Bolton cautioned that "A democratic election can produce illiberal results. If you want to see what a Muslim Brotherhood looks like when it takes control, look at Hamas in the Gaza strip, it's not pretty." "There is no guarantee that democratic forces can keep things moving in the right direction," he warned.

Sir you have no argument, these are merely retarded accusations which you have copy and pasted. You don't believe me? Look at the typo after Muslim woman. Which Ali are you speaking of.

I suggest that you read the real truth, the holy quran, ponder about it, and in the end if Allah wills, He will put some sense in your head.

I'm not trying to argue with you these are facts. If you dont want to believe facts and believe whatever your leaders tell you then that makes you a follower and a lemming. You were never born a muslim by the way, you were born a human and were brainwashed into the muslim religion. Didnt you have to remember the entire kuran so you could sing it in front of your pappy when you were young? You're just recycling the garbage you were taught and cannot think for yourself when it comes to religion. It's not like you came to that religion on your own.

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I'm not very religious but My family is. Catholic. and even though I'm not, I respect those who are especially the devoted ones. Anyone who can fully devote themselves to a higher good power takes alot of will and determination. I had this Muslim friend in high school and during fasting, that dude literally wouldn't eat all day like a bosslol. He wouldn't drink or do anything against his religion even though that's what all of us were doin especially at our age. Now I might not have the same views as him or anyone else but that kind of devotion gets respect from me.

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Wow...still gets interesting...

I get the fact that the land was conquered...But still...KING SOLOMON'S Temple! This is the house of God. I don't get why there is still a mosque there??
IF I was to go and bomb the Vatican...Is it ok to put a satanic church there? Just because I conquered the land? Even if I somehow was able to put my church over the land. At some point the Vatican would get rebuilt. No doubt about it.
If the Jewish tried to rebuild Solomon's temple... Which is what should be done. What would the Muslim community say about that?

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oh...oh...better idea! Build Solomon's temple on top of the Kabaa?

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maybe i read too fast...but i feel my question was never answered

1) i am "hearing" that the majority of muslims are about peace

if thats true then only a few "tyrants" need cleansing to have a peaceful middle east/end terrorism

but the rebuttals are that it is too hard and complicated.......doesnt make sense to me

2) if the quran is all about peace and freedom of religion...who EXACTLY is an "infidel" then ?

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Born and raised a Muslim, full faith in my religion.

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As-Salamu Alaykum to all my Muslim brothers and sisters on this board.

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quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
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Originally posted by Cobra 93-4992:
Tell me what you think of people who don't believe in your religion?

1) i would like to know this as well
2) if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????
3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

it certainly seems to me that the majority...rather than minority are militant murderers.

*note...i did not say all...i said MAJORITY and i am willing to hear what muslims have to say about it, but it seems like rhetoric to me, as actions speak much more aggressively than words

Here let me easily answer your questions:

1. Q: What do we think of the people who don't believe in Islam?

A: We THINK of them as our brothers and sisters. Only the misguided ones would think otherwise.


2. if ALL muslims believe in peace and DO NOT believe in rape, torture, submission of women etc. then why do muslim people not rise up against the very few extremist dictators who endorse this ? if the majority is against this behavior...it is a very easy overturn of that regime is it not ?????

A: Please don't feed in to the media, is this were you are getting your information? Seek for yourself, step into reality and knowledge shall set you free! Every Muslim follows one thing in Islam, which is PEACE. Those who do not, are simply NOT Muslims.

3) why do islamist countries burn our flag and cheer in the streets every time a terrorist act is televised???

Key word -- televised --. Again don't feed into the propaganda or what you see in the media. Just as how you are misinformed about Islam and assume majority of the Muslims are violent. Those extremists that you see on the media are misguided by what they see in the media or are NOT following the message of Allah (swt) nor the holy Qu'ran.

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I'm all for peace between all religions. It's never going to happen. This video points out why a lot of people are puzzled by the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
When we have college students all around the world who feel the way this woman feels, it's a scary thought.

The same would go for Christian terrorist groups that bomb abortion clinics or kill the doctors that perform them. I consider myself to be of Christian faith. Now if I was to agree that blowing up clinics or killing doctors..... I'd be just as guilty as the men committing those acts.

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Originally posted by Slowback67:
I'm all for peace between all religions. It's never going to happen. This video points out why a lot of people are puzzled by the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
When we have college students all around the world who feel the way this woman feels, it's a scary thought.

The same would go for Christian terrorist groups that bomb abortion clinics or kill the doctors that perform them. I consider myself to be of Christian faith. Now if I was to agree that blowing up clinics or killing doctors..... I'd be just as guilty as the men committing those acts.

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Born and raised a Muslim, full faith in my religion.

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As-Salamu Alaykum to all my Muslim brothers and sisters on this board.

and i am proud to be an INFIDEL

yes...thats a marine corps ka-bar in my hand and i know how to use it.

i wonder if any muslim blood was spilled by it ??????

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^^^^ gotta love redneck internet tough guys that tat "non-believer" on their arms. Lol 40+ year olds acting like 12 year old Xbox gamers is seriously sad. You posin like what someone in war did and got away with is how to act in civilian life. You need to go find some drinking buddies to impress . Hilarious [BS flag]
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quote:
Originally posted by 2Foxes2Five0Coupes:
^^^^ gotta love red blooded americans who would fuck my muslim ass and laugh as they did it

probably would wonder what the fuck my family was saying while they were on their knees before they were executed too ?

aww fuck it...wheres the titty bar



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quote:
Originally posted by 2Foxes2Five0Coupes:
You posin like what someone in war did and got away with is how to act in civilian life. You need to go find some drinking buddies to impress

you want my SRB ? you dont know me

your the wannabe tuff guy

i KNOW what ive done...and where ive been

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[ June 24, 2012, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: nitrous_bob ]

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quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
and yeah...my little GIRL will fuck u up, all 100 lbs of her

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cuz we dont rape and submiss them, to make them inferior

try it....you'll lose, i promise that, shes been trained WELL



[ June 24, 2012, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: nitrous_bob ]

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