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SheerSliver03
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obama is a joke and a half. he is a very good speaker, that is about it.
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Posts: 641 | From: elk grove | Registered: Mar 2006
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quote: Originally posted by mustanghp950: obama is a joke and a half. he is a very good speaker, that is about it.
good speaker my ass, he talks like he's explaining long division to a group of 1st graders.
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How does it sound to have an american president named: Barack "Hussein" Obama? not hatin but I thought that was kinda interesting....
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quote: Originally posted by Blind: quote: Originally posted by mustanghp950: obama is a joke and a half. he is a very good speaker, that is about it.
good speaker my ass, he talks like he's explaining long division to a group of 1st graders.
it works for him since about 90% of the people in this country have about a 1st grade education in politics.
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quote: Originally posted by BUKSING: How does it sound to have an american president named: Barack "Hussein" Obama? not hatin but I thought that was kinda interesting....
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS GUYS NAME SOUNDS LIKE:
OSAMA BIN LADEN Barack "Hussein" OBAMA
OSAMA = OBAMA
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OBAMA ALL THE WAY!!!!! YEAHHHHHH!!!!!
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quote: Originally posted by gt from 650: quote: Originally posted by BUKSING: How does it sound to have an american president named: Barack "Hussein" Obama? not hatin but I thought that was kinda interesting....
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS GUYS NAME SOUNDS LIKE:
OSAMA BIN LADEN Barack "Hussein" OBAMA
OSAMA = OBAMA
His father was 100% muslim, thats why he has a middleeastern/muslim name. No one really knows what religion he is. He says hes christian but no one can prove anything. I for one don't want to lose my 2nd amendment rights or have open borders so i won't vote for him.
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[ December 14, 2008, 03:08 AM: Message edited by: season'd 88 ]
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quote: Originally posted by mustanghp950: it works for him since about 90% of the people in this country have about a 1st grade education in politics.
Unfortunately it is a sad time for everyone. Look at the choices we're left with here...
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Despite my personal beliefs, I have a question for everyone or maybe more of a statement. Do you really think that the next President will be a Republican? Unless, something seriously changes we will have our first female or African American President in the history of the United States! I for one think that will move America forward by 100 years. Since when did religion make a difference in a values, character, or integrity? Are people trying to infer that possible because a person is Mormon, Muslim, Jewish, or even Christian that based on that or there name alone they are not right to lead our great nation? It is obvious that our current government leaders are not getting anything done. Dana, no one is trying to take away your right to, "Bear Arms". I know that speaking for myself, I do not see how we can be fiscally responsible, be hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit, pass a budget that puts us further in the whole, and talk about tax credits/breaks especially for the wealthy. If not us, our children will be paying for the legacy left behind today. I am sorry, but republicans make no since to me. How can a person call oneself a fiscal conservative, yet spend hundreds of billions of dollars in debt each year and talk about cutting taxes and then make them permanent? It is not rocket science. We either need to stop spending or increase revenue. One way you increase revenue is to raise taxes. And what about universal health care? From my own personal experience, I know we need it YESTERDAY!!! My girlfriend is no different than an average of nearly 48 million other Americans. She has/had health insurance, it is fair to say her family is middle class, and the played by all the rules under the current system. About two years ago she was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. This disease has drained her family of everything and they are now going through bankruptcy. This does not even account for how the insurance company literally tried everything to get rid of her including dumping her off the insurance policy on, "accident" FOUR TIMES!!! It enrages me when I hear people talk about how the current system is working or how we need a free market, or ECT... and yet millions of people are going without health coverage because it is to expensive, not available, or possibly both. At the sacrifice of sounding like a socialist, it is time that we become are brother keepers and start taking care of one another, even if that means(God forbid) again raising the taxes, and doing away with our free market. I am sorry, I just do not believe in people's goodwill. I guarantee that I cannot trust/believe that you or the next person will donate to my medical needs or my girlfriends unless forced to by the IRS. Face it, people are greedy and want what they have. People do not want to share, but we have humanitarian needs that are not being met. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class gets pinched in the middle(Think of it as a hour glass) I know that I am not the only one that believes this because two year ago during the last election, we elected a Congress that is held by a majority of Democrats. Just look at the numbers at the tolls Obama/Clinton are getting nearly one million votes; while McCain/"Hiccup" are getting only 10% of that. As Obama says, "We need change" Sorry for my long rant I know that many of you will strongly disagree with me, but I know that there is a larger majority that will agree with me 100%! Sorry if my grammar/spelling is bad, I was writing off emotion. Politics get me all heated inside [ February 14, 2008, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
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Wildfire532FB
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I wouldn't make assumptions that the next president will be a democrat. I'd say its totally up in the air. Also i wouldn't assume that who you vote for is going to totally help you out either. Politicians are liars and they will say anything to get your vote and once they get into office they won't do what they told you they will do. I look at their voting history to make my decision on who to vote for that tells me more than what they tell a large crowd of people. I think you mentioned something about health in your post, Denmark has free health care, actually its not really free they get taxed like 60% of their income to pay for it but anyone can go to the hospital and doesn't have to pay anything wither your paying your share or not. My brother split his chin open on the bumper cars when we were over there and the doctors refused payment from us because they said it was "free" just inagine that happening here. I am sure not that many foreigners visit Denmark that often so they wouldn't have that much of a problem [ February 14, 2008, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: 532Fastback ]
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voteing for prez has alway been about picking the lesser of 2 evils. obama/clinton and there idea of health care for everyone is going to kill us.. you think we are taxed now wait till every 1 has health care and we are paying 80% of your check to pay for it.. i don't care if your a rep. or dem.. i vote for who i think will be the best prez for the next 4 years. and it's not obama or clinton.
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Originally posted by: 532Fastback [/QB][/QUOTE]Denmark has free health care, actually its not really free they get taxed like 60% of their income to pay for it but anyone can go to the hospital and doesn't have to pay anything wither your paying your share or not. [/QB][/QUOTE] I don't know where you got that figure from. I just did a little quick search and although not the most credible source wikipedia states that tax burden in Denmark in 2008 will amount to 47.7% second only to Sweden. However the average wage in Denmark for a manufacturing plant worker is US$39.15(inflation?) The united States is the only industrialized country that does not make health care accessible to all citizens. It is easy to sit there and say, "Oh it will cost us this and that", but wait until you fall flat on your face and not by your own doing/causing it could be a car accident, illness, or any number of things. Shit happens to good people, honest people, and hard working Americans. We need something in place to help them out. I am sure you would be singing a different song and dance if something unfortunate happened to you or your family; especially if you had children that couldn't see a doctor, or had to make a choice between milk and prescription medicine. Look around us the Britt's have universalized, as have the Canadians, and did you know that one of the top places in the world to get medical care is in Cuba? The best medicine is preemptive treatment. It cost a lot more for someone to run to the E.R. for the flu than it would to give that same person a flu shot. It is okay though, I understand that people are probably naive and ignorant about how many people suffer in this country. Just because you were blessed with parents who raised you with silver spoon does not mean everyone else has. Furthermore, Americans on average die sooner than our same counterparts in Canada. Did you also know that the United States ranks among last in "Health" meaning doctors, nurses, and treatments? It is time for change. I am not saying it is going to be perfect, there will be bumps in the road, but it will vastly improve the quality of life that we have as Americans. I respect John McCain he is a living legend the man has accomplished and done things unfathomable However, McCain is more Bush Policy. We have spent 8 horrendous years under that idiot. It is time to improve our standing and position in the world and I for one do not want another four years of the same. Obviously I am not the only one, the people are speaking and it was obvious two years ago when Congress shifted power and it is obvious now. People want change it is that simple. [ February 14, 2008, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
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Wildfire532FB
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quote: Originally posted by rgtrahn: Originally posted by: 532Fastback
Denmark has free health care, actually its not really free they get taxed like 60% of their income to pay for it but anyone can go to the hospital and doesn't have to pay anything wither your paying your share or not. [/QB][/QUOTE] I don't know where you got that figure from. I just did a little quick search and although not the most credible source wikipedia states that tax burden in Denmark in 2008 will amount to 47.7% second only to Sweden. However the average wage in Denmark for a manufacturing plant worker is US$39.15(inflation?) The united States is the only industrialized country that does not make health care accessible to all citizens. It is easy to sit there and say, "Oh it will cost us this and that", but wait until you fall flat on your face and not by your own doing/causing it could be a car accident, illness, or any number of things. Shit happens to good people, honest people, and hard working Americans. We need something in place to help them out. I am sure you would be singing a different song and dance if something unfortunate happened to you or your family; especially if you had children that couldn't see a doctor, or had to make a choice between milk and prescription medicine. Look around us the Britt's have universalized, as have the Canadians, and did you know that one of the top places in the world to get medical care is in Cuba? The best medicine is preemptive treatment. It cost a lot more for someone to run to the E.R. for the flu than it would to give that same person a flu shot. It is okay though, I understand that people are probably naive and ignorant about how many people suffer in this country. Just because you were blessed with parents who raised you with silver spoon does not mean everyone else has. Furthermore, Americans on average die sooner than our same counterparts in Canada. Did you also know that the United States ranks among last in "Health" meaning doctors, nurses, and treatments? It is time for change. I am not saying it is going to be perfect, there will be bumps in the road, but it will vastly improve the quality of life that we have as Americans. I respect John McCain he is a living legend the man has accomplished and done things unfathomable However, McCain is more Bush Policy. We have spent 8 horrendous years under that idiot. It is time to improve our standing and position in the world and I for one do not want another four years of the same. Obviously I am not the only one, the people are speaking and it was obvious two years ago when Congress shifted power and it is obvious now. People want change it is that simple. [/QB][/QUOTE] Personal experience, family friends in Denmark. I can change the figure in Wikipedia if you only believe what you read on that site.
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It's sad that some people judge a presidential candidate based on their name alone. But as someone said, most voters act like 1st graders.
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quote: Originally posted by 532Fastback: quote: Originally posted by rgtrahn: Originally posted by: 532Fastback
Denmark has free health care, actually its not really free they get taxed like 60% of their income to pay for it but anyone can go to the hospital and doesn't have to pay anything wither your paying your share or not.
I don't know where you got that figure from. I just did a little quick search and although not the most credible source wikipedia states that tax burden in Denmark in 2008 will amount to 47.7% second only to Sweden. However the average wage in Denmark for a manufacturing plant worker is US$39.15(inflation?) The united States is the only industrialized country that does not make health care accessible to all citizens. It is easy to sit there and say, "Oh it will cost us this and that", but wait until you fall flat on your face and not by your own doing/causing it could be a car accident, illness, or any number of things. Shit happens to good people, honest people, and hard working Americans. We need something in place to help them out. I am sure you would be singing a different song and dance if something unfortunate happened to you or your family; especially if you had children that couldn't see a doctor, or had to make a choice between milk and prescription medicine. Look around us the Britt's have universalized, as have the Canadians, and did you know that one of the top places in the world to get medical care is in Cuba? The best medicine is preemptive treatment. It cost a lot more for someone to run to the E.R. for the flu than it would to give that same person a flu shot. It is okay though, I understand that people are probably naive and ignorant about how many people suffer in this country. Just because you were blessed with parents who raised you with silver spoon does not mean everyone else has. Furthermore, Americans on average die sooner than our same counterparts in Canada. Did you also know that the United States ranks among last in "Health" meaning doctors, nurses, and treatments? It is time for change. I am not saying it is going to be perfect, there will be bumps in the road, but it will vastly improve the quality of life that we have as Americans. I respect John McCain he is a living legend the man has accomplished and done things unfathomable However, McCain is more Bush Policy. We have spent 8 horrendous years under that idiot. It is time to improve our standing and position in the world and I for one do not want another four years of the same. Obviously I am not the only one, the people are speaking and it was obvious two years ago when Congress shifted power and it is obvious now. People want change it is that simple. [/QB][/QUOTE] Personal experience, family friends in Denmark. I can change the figure in Wikipedia if you only believe what you read on that site. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I stand corrected, according to Guinness Book of world Records they are the heaviest taxed; between 42-68% depending on what your income is. However, I did mention that Wikipedia was not the most credible source and it was a quick search not a college report. Denmark has other problems as well, like inflation. I think you are mis-representing that fact as well,they are not being taxed that high because of health care.
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Anyways, since I digressed so much off topic. I am curious to see/know what are some key issues you want addressed by the next President and admin? [ February 14, 2008, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
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My mistake. The percent you found ok wukipedia is correct. I just talked to my Danish friend on myspace and that's how much comes out of their income for healthcare but they also get a "federal" tax as well. Altogether it adds up to about 60 percent of their income taken in taxes.
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Politics and Mustangs don't mix
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This last summer on the zaca fire I made 7k in my 12 days of fighting that fire before taxes. The government taxed me 50% so I only got 3500. I don't know about you but that sucked!
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I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this site. Actually I can given it's past history. We all can dislike a candidate for his/her polices or past actions, but Nobody can dislike a candidate for the sole bases of his/her name, gender, religion or the color of their skin. Now the original question was, who voted for George Bush? Stand up and be proud of your vote. I voted for Gore back then. Better yet, who will vote for Mccain? and why? And please don't give me because he will not raise taxes or more experience. Bring up something a little important or personal to you. I'll tell you why I will not vote for Mccain. 1)Iraq, after being in the military and going there and seeing marines and sailors die. I will not vote for a president that supports this war. Bush's surface intentions are good, but in all, not worth American lives. 2)Iran, I guarantee that if Mccain is president America will end up in Iran. Now these issues may not affect you because you're out of the draft bracket, but they affect me. This is why I voted for Obama. First off, he disagrees with the war and will end it as soon as possible. and second the most important reason of all is his "moral values." Obama speaks with conviction and from a place that the other candidates can't find. Mccain actually comes the closes, but his mind has been tainted, his heart has been soiled, and his soul has been robbed.
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Leave OSAMA alone....oops I meant OBAMA! LOL GO HILARY!
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I voted for Bush and would do it again... I am also an Iraq war veteran. I will not vote for Obama not only cause I am a republican but due to how vague he has been on most his policies and the fact that he just wants to pull out of Iraq. I don't want those who have died there, to have died in vein. Obama can promise the world but most of us know that promises candidates make usually do not occur. Healthcare for all sounds good but at what cost to the American public. I do not want any more taxes taken out of my check as it stands now. I don't particularly like MCcain either so I may have to sit this one out. [ February 14, 2008, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: SEMPERFI510 ]
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