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Topic: Please recommend parts for H/C/I on a stock '91 5.0 short block w/AFR 165's 58cc
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STREETFIGHTER50
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Just picked up some AFR 165's (Thanx Benny). Now need a few things to complete the package. Gonna order everything from Summit all at once. (Don't ask why, just need ASAP ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ) Here's a few Q's:
Which pushrods will work? The stock length is 6.272". The 4130 TrickFlow's I'm interested in are 6.250" then jump to 6.500" & so on. Would the 6.250's be a safe bet?
What do yall think of TrickFlow's cams? Thinkin of going with the Stage II. Would this be too much?
Other things needed on the list are:
Edelbrock RPM II or BBK SSI intake?
24lb or 30lb injectors?
ARP head bolts for sure, but which head gaskets would u go with?
The rest of the parts that'll be used on the combo are: Pro-M 75mm MA, 70mm TB, COMP Pro-Magnum 1.6 rockers, Hedmann 1 5/8" LT's, Magnaflow 2.5" off road X, 2.5" Magnaflow CB.
5 speed w/3.55's in the rear. Car is mostly a street car/weekend warrior.
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white50steve
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i would recomend head studs and heres a couple part #'s
engine gasket set TFS-51400914
dowel pin locaters TFS-51400420
the intakes you stated dont flow that well but are good if you need to smog the car.
if its a stock bottom end id reccomend an f cam if not and you have the clearance the stage 2 would be good. if you want the optimal cam call afr and ask them. i have a performer rpm for sale if interested.
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CornOil_&_Boost
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hmm..
think the stage 2 might be too much lift on a stock block...
6.250's will be perfect
some brand new FMS lifters while youre at it
30 lbers to be on the safe side
RPM 2 most defintely
some good long tubes
ARP head bolts will be fine with an N/A car
some type of MLS gasket---like a Cometic..way more expensive but well worth it....you can get them from Brother's Performance with FREE shipping for December
A set of NGK VR4 spark plugs
A good set of Wires
2.5" magnaflow all the way out the back
3.73s or 4.10's since you can rev the shit out of the car now....
a good clutch---spec 2 or DFX
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stock pushrods are fine and 24lb injectors are plenty for that combo
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88bird
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Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.
And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.
[ December 02, 2006, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: 88bird ]
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FasterDamnit
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Don't run Cometics without having the block surface prepped to their specifications. Good chance of leaks.
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STREETFIGHTER50
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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.
And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.
How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?
[ December 02, 2006, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]
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FasterDamnit
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Originally posted by STREETFIGHTER50:
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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.
And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.
How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?
What are your specific goals? All out power and ET?
How much power do you want?
Does it have to have a decent idle and good daily driveability?
Do you need it to pass smog without having to change cams?
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'92 LX T5
Looked stock, went 11's 11.90 at 115mph.
'65 Mustang 347
www.fordmuscle.com
Livin' in the Carolina Pines
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STREETFIGHTER50
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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
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Originally posted by STREETFIGHTER50:
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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.
And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.
How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?
What are your specific goals? All out power and ET?
How much power do you want?
Does it have to have a decent idle and good daily driveability?
Do you need it to pass smog without having to change cams?
It's gonna be a street car, mostly on the weekends. Maybe strip once in a great while. No smog, it's goin in my cousin's 66 FB, but a nice healthy sounding cam would be great to listen to. A torquey, 300 HP motor would be nice with his 5 speed
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FasterDamnit
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The Comp Cams XE274 would rock, but the stock springs on the AFR165's won't hack it. Stick w/ 1.6 rockers. It will have a cool sounding idle and kick ass up to 6k. Read AFR's info. on these heads and their recommendations for springs--> http://airflowresearch.com/165sbf_sh.php
If you have to stick w/ the stock springs and are going to stay w/ hydro roller lifters, then don't go any bigger than the TF stage 1 cam. You can run 1.7 rockers w/ it for a bit more lift and be at the limit of the stock springs. Just don't expect the stock springs to rev too far past 5500 w/ hydro rollers. At least not for long.
You could consider a solid flat tappet cam.
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Looked stock, went 11's 11.90 at 115mph.
'65 Mustang 347
www.fordmuscle.com
Livin' in the Carolina Pines
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88bird
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Yes the trick flow rockers will be ok, especially with the 7/16 studs. But afr recommends a longer stud specifically for the promagnum rockers. Call afr. It used to be posted on their website but I couldn't find it yesterday when I looked.
You can call ed curtis for a better spring setup if you want to run a high lift cam and lots of rpm.
[ December 03, 2006, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: 88bird ]
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STREETFIGHTER50
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If I don't wanna have to buy longer rocker studs or upgrade the valve springs. TFS stage I cam & 1.7 rockers be the best choice then or just stick with the TFS 1.6 rockers? Also, hydraulic lifters will stay.
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white50steve
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if he's putting it in a 66 id put a carb on it
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I would upgrade the springs anyway
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STREETFIGHTER50
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Thanks for all the feedback yall. Went with a 75mm MA, 70mm TB, TrackHeat intake, TFS stage I cam, & TFS 1.6 RR's as well. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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