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Posted by STREETFIGHTER50 (Member # 2973) on :
 
Just picked up some AFR 165's (Thanx Benny). Now need a few things to complete the package. Gonna order everything from Summit all at once. (Don't ask why, just need ASAP ) Here's a few Q's:

Which pushrods will work? The stock length is 6.272". The 4130 TrickFlow's I'm interested in are 6.250" then jump to 6.500" & so on. Would the 6.250's be a safe bet?

What do yall think of TrickFlow's cams? Thinkin of going with the Stage II. Would this be too much?

Other things needed on the list are:

Edelbrock RPM II or BBK SSI intake?

24lb or 30lb injectors?

ARP head bolts for sure, but which head gaskets would u go with?

The rest of the parts that'll be used on the combo are: Pro-M 75mm MA, 70mm TB, COMP Pro-Magnum 1.6 rockers, Hedmann 1 5/8" LT's, Magnaflow 2.5" off road X, 2.5" Magnaflow CB.

5 speed w/3.55's in the rear. Car is mostly a street car/weekend warrior.

[ December 01, 2006, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]
 

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Posted by white50steve (Member # 5887) on :
 
i would recomend head studs and heres a couple part #'s
engine gasket set TFS-51400914
dowel pin locaters TFS-51400420
the intakes you stated dont flow that well but are good if you need to smog the car.
if its a stock bottom end id reccomend an f cam if not and you have the clearance the stage 2 would be good. if you want the optimal cam call afr and ask them. i have a performer rpm for sale if interested.
 

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Posted by jordan_0806 (Member # 5888) on :
 
hmm..

think the stage 2 might be too much lift on a stock block...

6.250's will be perfect

some brand new FMS lifters while youre at it

30 lbers to be on the safe side

RPM 2 most defintely

some good long tubes

ARP head bolts will be fine with an N/A car

some type of MLS gasket---like a Cometic..way more expensive but well worth it....you can get them from Brother's Performance with FREE shipping for December

A set of NGK VR4 spark plugs

A good set of Wires

2.5" magnaflow all the way out the back

3.73s or 4.10's since you can rev the shit out of the car now....

a good clutch---spec 2 or DFX
 

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Posted by Hungry Hippo (Member # 537) on :
 
stock pushrods are fine and 24lb injectors are plenty for that combo
 

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Posted by 88bird (Member # 1424) on :
 
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.

And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.

[ December 02, 2006, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: 88bird ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Stock cam retarded 4*, 1.7 rockers, Cobra or GT40 intake w/ ported lower, 24lbers, 76mm MAf, 70mm TB.


300rwhp and 340rwtq on a dynojet and stock driving behavior.

Here's proof.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Don't run Cometics without having the block surface prepped to their specifications. Good chance of leaks.
 

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Posted by STREETFIGHTER50 (Member # 2973) on :
 

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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.

And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.

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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.

And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.

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How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?

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Originally posted by 88bird:
Gonna need longer studs for the pro magnums,( or you'll break the tip off) check with afr they sell some, or you can just get some for a chevy from summit.

And the valvesprings will need to be upgraded for a stage two cam.

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How about the TrickFlow 1.6 rockers? Would I still need longer studs? Also, would the stage 1 be a better choice then?

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What are your specific goals? All out power and ET?

How much power do you want?

Does it have to have a decent idle and good daily driveability?

Do you need it to pass smog without having to change cams?

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It's gonna be a street car, mostly on the weekends. Maybe strip once in a great while. No smog, it's goin in my cousin's 66 FB, but a nice healthy sounding cam would be great to listen to. A torquey, 300 HP motor would be nice with his 5 speed

[ December 03, 2006, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
The Comp Cams XE274 would rock, but the stock springs on the AFR165's won't hack it. Stick w/ 1.6 rockers. It will have a cool sounding idle and kick ass up to 6k. Read AFR's info. on these heads and their recommendations for springs--> http://airflowresearch.com/165sbf_sh.php

If you have to stick w/ the stock springs and are going to stay w/ hydro roller lifters, then don't go any bigger than the TF stage 1 cam. You can run 1.7 rockers w/ it for a bit more lift and be at the limit of the stock springs. Just don't expect the stock springs to rev too far past 5500 w/ hydro rollers. At least not for long.


You could consider a solid flat tappet cam.
 

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Posted by 88bird (Member # 1424) on :
 
Yes the trick flow rockers will be ok, especially with the 7/16 studs. But afr recommends a longer stud specifically for the promagnum rockers. Call afr. It used to be posted on their website but I couldn't find it yesterday when I looked.

You can call ed curtis for a better spring setup if you want to run a high lift cam and lots of rpm.

[ December 03, 2006, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: 88bird ]
 

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Posted by STREETFIGHTER50 (Member # 2973) on :
 
If I don't wanna have to buy longer rocker studs or upgrade the valve springs. TFS stage I cam & 1.7 rockers be the best choice then or just stick with the TFS 1.6 rockers? Also, hydraulic lifters will stay.

[ December 03, 2006, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: STREETFIGHTER50 ]
 

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Posted by white50steve (Member # 5887) on :
 
if he's putting it in a 66 id put a carb on it
 

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Posted by red GT black rallyes (Member # 4495) on :
 
I would upgrade the springs anyway
 

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Posted by STREETFIGHTER50 (Member # 2973) on :
 
Thanks for all the feedback yall. Went with a 75mm MA, 70mm TB, TrackHeat intake, TFS stage I cam, & TFS 1.6 RR's as well.
 

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