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Topic: Fordchip vs Autologic chip WITH TUNE??
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Autobadges Guy
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2003-05-04 07:54 PM
 
 
I already paid for my fordchip and 80mm maf....$415....been 5 days and no update...nothing. Thats a lot of money for no contact info.
Now I can go to Powertrain Dynamics and get a custom burned Autologic chip for about $300...plus dyno time at about $125/hr....so if i dyno tune for 1 hr....i get a custom burned chip AND DYNO TUNE.
Should i wait for the MAIL ORDER chip from fordchip....or cancel and go locally? I am just pondering all this....
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Glenn
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2003-05-04 08:04 PM
Can you say AUTOLOGIC. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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2003-05-04 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
AUTOLOGIC
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2003-05-04 08:09 PM
Now I can go to Powertrain Dynamics and get a custom burned Autologic chip for about $300...plus dyno time at about $125/hr....so if i dyno tune for 1 hr....i get a custom burned chip AND DYNO TUNE.looks better than$415....been 5 days and no update...nothing. Thats a lot of money for no contact info. that should be two votes.
[ May 04, 2003, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: Glenn ]
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Stimson
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posted
2003-05-04 08:10 PM
Locally for sure. Mail order chips are based on assumptions, not actual output data from your car.
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2003-05-04 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by st5150:
Locally for sure. Mail order chips are based on assumptions, not actual output data from your car.
3 for autologic and local tune!!
0 for mail order just CHIP
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Lightning Larry
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2003-05-04 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by EVal95:
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
1 vote for autologic ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Ditto ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Autobadges Guy
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2003-05-04 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Lightning Larry:
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Originally posted by EVal95:
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
1 vote for autologic
Ditto
damn...4 to 0...for autologic!
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posted
2003-05-04 09:17 PM
make that 5-0
i vote for autologic
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posted
2003-05-04 09:23 PM
the chips do the same thing, its the tune that matters
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2003-05-04 10:03 PM
local autologic chip. if you make changes down the road with your car, you can get it reburned without any hastles locally.
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2003-05-05 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
make that 5-0
i vote for autologic
and 6-0
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2003-05-05 12:20 PM
Ford chip, they've done wonders for a lot of people's cars. Then if they make a local appearance, you can have them fine tune it.
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2003-05-05 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by White02GT:
Ford chip, they've done wonders for a lot of people's cars. Then if they make a local appearance, you can have them fine tune it.
6 to 1 now......
fordchip MAY come down this month sometime to the BAY AREA, which is like a 6 hr drive, but should be worth it....b/c the drive home will be sweet as hell
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2003-05-05 02:06 PM
What kind of software does FordChip use?
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2003-05-06 12:19 AM
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
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2003-05-06 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by White02GT:
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
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2003-05-06 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by st5150:
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Originally posted by White02GT:
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
may i ask why you say BS? i heard they can do more with the chips than a regular autologic
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2003-05-06 12:48 AM
Sure. First let me explain what the main thing a chip does....
At wide open throttle it optimizes the air fuel ratio and timing advance.
That's pretty much it in a nut shell. Its far form a mysterious black magic box. Other minor stuff a chip can do is turn on the electric fan sooner, bypass smog sensors, ect... but again these are secondary items.
A dyno tune will measure your air fuel ratio curve on the dyno. The tuner will then correct/optimize this curve and then see how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating so a safe, yet optimized tune can be made. This often envolves several guess'n check dyno pulls to get right.
Mail order chips only only guesstimates. The guy on the other end of the phone guesses what your air fuel ratio should be, then guesses at what level it will make the most power, then guesses how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating. Basicly you're calling a 1-900-FORTUNE TELLER.
I hope this makes sense. Let me know if anypart was unclear and I'll try to explain it better.
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2003-05-06 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by st5150:
Sure. First let me explain what the main thing a chip does....
At wide open throttle it optimizes the air fuel ratio and timing advance.
That's pretty much it in a nut shell. Its far form a mysterious black magic box. Other minor stuff a chip can do is turn on the electric fan sooner, bypass smog sensors, ect... but again these are secondary items.
A dyno tune will measure your air fuel ratio curve on the dyno. The tuner will then correct/optimize this curve and then see how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating so a safe, yet optimized tune can be made. This often envolves several guess'n check dyno pulls to get right.
Mail order chips only only guesstimates. The guy on the other end of the phone guesses what your air fuel ratio should be, then guesses at what level it will make the most power, then guesses how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating. Basicly you're calling a 1-900-FORTUNE TELLER.
I hope this makes sense. Let me know if anypart was unclear and I'll try to explain it better.
yeah i completely understand what you are saying. In a nutshell: doing a tune in person is more accurate and safer than a mail order GUESS....correct?
I am going to call POWERTAIN and see what he does tell me
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2003-05-06 01:20 AM
Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Go to all the tuning shops you want, and talk to all the knowledgable tuners around. They'll all repeat what I said more or less.
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2003-05-06 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by st5150:
Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Go to all the tuning shops you want, and talk to all the knowledgable tuners around. They'll all repeat what I said more or less.
well fordchip is due to come to northern Cali (i am in souther...so like 6hr drive) to tune....and i would then be able to tune it with the Fordchip....they should be down within the next month (after i get the mail order chip)....how does that sound?
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2003-05-06 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by White02GT:
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
A little misunderstanding of basic principles used by ECU and aftermarket chips. ECU has info written into so called memory banks. Modern 99+ has 4 of them, 3 with program code and 1 with program data, pre 99 had 2. Some chips such as Autologic, Superchip can replace only one bank (data bank) with external memory, Diablochip (Fordchip uses Diablo blanks) on the other hand is capable of replacing memory for all 4 banks, the same capability ECU reflash has. So in essence there is no difference between two.
And as a side note, Fordchip can not only alter A/F ratio but they also do a wonder to auto tranny customizing shift points and lockup behavior, things that local tuners are not very good at.
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2003-05-06 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew WOT:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by White02GT:
[qb]And as a side note, Fordchip can not only alter A/F ratio but they also do a wonder to auto tranny customizing shift points and lockup behavior, things that local tuners are not very good at.
yeah well 5 speeds dont benefit from that ![[Wink]](wink.gif) lol
chip is done and shipped out today with maf!
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