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Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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I already paid for my fordchip and 80mm maf....$415....been 5 days and no update...nothing. Thats a lot of money for no contact info.
Now I can go to Powertrain Dynamics and get a custom burned Autologic chip for about $300...plus dyno time at about $125/hr....so if i dyno tune for 1 hr....i get a custom burned chip AND DYNO TUNE.
Should i wait for the MAIL ORDER chip from fordchip....or cancel and go locally? I am just pondering all this....
Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on
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Can you say AUTOLOGIC. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
1 vote for autologic ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Blown Mystic (Member # 476) on
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
AUTOLOGIC
Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on
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Now I can go to Powertrain Dynamics and get a custom burned Autologic chip for about $300...plus dyno time at about $125/hr....so if i dyno tune for 1 hr....i get a custom burned chip AND DYNO TUNE.looks better than$415....been 5 days and no update...nothing. Thats a lot of money for no contact info. that should be two votes.
[ May 04, 2003, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: Glenn ]
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Locally for sure. Mail order chips are based on assumptions, not actual output data from your car.
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by st5150:
Locally for sure. Mail order chips are based on assumptions, not actual output data from your car.
3 for autologic and local tune!!
0 for mail order just CHIP
Posted by Lightning Larry (Member # 2737) on
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Originally posted by EVal95:
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
1 vote for autologic
Ditto ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by Lightning Larry:
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Originally posted by EVal95:
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Originally posted by Glenn:
Can you say AUTOLOGIC.
1 vote for autologic
Ditto
damn...4 to 0...for autologic!
Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on
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make that 5-0
i vote for autologic
Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on
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the chips do the same thing, its the tune that matters
Posted by ray95 (Member # 752) on
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local autologic chip. if you make changes down the road with your car, you can get it reburned without any hastles locally.
Posted by Stalion98GT (Member # 2495) on
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
make that 5-0
i vote for autologic
and 6-0
Posted by White02GT (Member # 611) on
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Ford chip, they've done wonders for a lot of people's cars. Then if they make a local appearance, you can have them fine tune it.
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by White02GT:
Ford chip, they've done wonders for a lot of people's cars. Then if they make a local appearance, you can have them fine tune it.
6 to 1 now......
fordchip MAY come down this month sometime to the BAY AREA, which is like a 6 hr drive, but should be worth it....b/c the drive home will be sweet as hell
Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on
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What kind of software does FordChip use?
Posted by White02GT (Member # 611) on
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I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Originally posted by White02GT:
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
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Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by st5150:
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Originally posted by White02GT:
I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
may i ask why you say BS? i heard they can do more with the chips than a regular autologic
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Sure. First let me explain what the main thing a chip does....
At wide open throttle it optimizes the air fuel ratio and timing advance.
That's pretty much it in a nut shell. Its far form a mysterious black magic box. Other minor stuff a chip can do is turn on the electric fan sooner, bypass smog sensors, ect... but again these are secondary items.
A dyno tune will measure your air fuel ratio curve on the dyno. The tuner will then correct/optimize this curve and then see how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating so a safe, yet optimized tune can be made. This often envolves several guess'n check dyno pulls to get right.
Mail order chips only only guesstimates. The guy on the other end of the phone guesses what your air fuel ratio should be, then guesses at what level it will make the most power, then guesses how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating. Basicly you're calling a 1-900-FORTUNE TELLER.
I hope this makes sense. Let me know if anypart was unclear and I'll try to explain it better.
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by st5150:
Sure. First let me explain what the main thing a chip does....
At wide open throttle it optimizes the air fuel ratio and timing advance.
That's pretty much it in a nut shell. Its far form a mysterious black magic box. Other minor stuff a chip can do is turn on the electric fan sooner, bypass smog sensors, ect... but again these are secondary items.
A dyno tune will measure your air fuel ratio curve on the dyno. The tuner will then correct/optimize this curve and then see how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating so a safe, yet optimized tune can be made. This often envolves several guess'n check dyno pulls to get right.
Mail order chips only only guesstimates. The guy on the other end of the phone guesses what your air fuel ratio should be, then guesses at what level it will make the most power, then guesses how much timing advance your motor will take before detonating. Basicly you're calling a 1-900-FORTUNE TELLER.
I hope this makes sense. Let me know if anypart was unclear and I'll try to explain it better.
yeah i completely understand what you are saying. In a nutshell: doing a tune in person is more accurate and safer than a mail order GUESS....correct?
I am going to call POWERTAIN and see what he does tell me
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Go to all the tuning shops you want, and talk to all the knowledgable tuners around. They'll all repeat what I said more or less.
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by st5150:
Yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Go to all the tuning shops you want, and talk to all the knowledgable tuners around. They'll all repeat what I said more or less.
well fordchip is due to come to northern Cali (i am in souther...so like 6hr drive) to tune....and i would then be able to tune it with the Fordchip....they should be down within the next month (after i get the mail order chip)....how does that sound?
Posted by Andrew WOT (Member # 1249) on
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I know that ford chip does a complete ecu flash at times and that allows them to change more parameters that can't normally be written in by a regular chip.
A little misunderstanding of basic principles used by ECU and aftermarket chips. ECU has info written into so called memory banks. Modern 99+ has 4 of them, 3 with program code and 1 with program data, pre 99 had 2. Some chips such as Autologic, Superchip can replace only one bank (data bank) with external memory, Diablochip (Fordchip uses Diablo blanks) on the other hand is capable of replacing memory for all 4 banks, the same capability ECU reflash has. So in essence there is no difference between two.
And as a side note, Fordchip can not only alter A/F ratio but they also do a wonder to auto tranny customizing shift points and lockup behavior, things that local tuners are not very good at.
Posted by EVal95 (Member # 1657) on
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Originally posted by Andrew WOT:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by White02GT:
[qb]And as a side note, Fordchip can not only alter A/F ratio but they also do a wonder to auto tranny customizing shift points and lockup behavior, things that local tuners are not very good at.
yeah well 5 speeds dont benefit from that ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
lol
chip is done and shipped out today with maf!
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on
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Any Autologic chip can also adjust the automatic tranny paramiters. Infact, Autologic was the first, and has always been the first. How do you think guys a few years ago were tuning their AOD cars? Yup, Autologic was doing it back when Diablo/Ford chip was a thing of the future. Autologic was started by a former Ford Motor Company dyno tuner... what more could you ask for?
EVal95- You're making a big thing out of nothing. Go to your local shop and forget the fordchip internet hype. All chips are the same, what is important is the experience of the tuner and the availibility/access to the tuner. No one has been in this game longer than Autologic since Autologic invented the game all together
Posted by Andrew WOT (Member # 1249) on
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Originally posted by st5150:
Any Autologic chip can also adjust the automatic tranny paramiters.
Who said that it can't? I just said that most tuners have problems doing it right, our locals are not exception. Plus like I said Autologic inherits all one bank chips restrictions. It was the best a couple years ago, but things are progressing and new 4 bank chips provide wider possibility for ECU alteration. But again 90% of success is not in the chip but in the tuner.
Posted by White02GT (Member # 611) on
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Originally posted by Andrew WOT:
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Originally posted by st5150:
Any Autologic chip can also adjust the automatic tranny paramiters.
But again 90% of success is not in the chip but in the tuner.
Yup, its all all about the tuner. I would just rather trust some other people that our 'all knowledgeable' local tuners.
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on
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don't forget on an NA application, you would be lucky to pick up 10 HP at the peak, and far less at normal driving rpms.
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