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FivePTSlow
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I bought this set(51400912) to use while rebuilding my SBF in 2012. It's my weekend car so it doesn't see many miles. To date the engine has under 1,800 miles. Within 100 miles the rear main seal failed, & was dumping a lot of oil. Then just after 1,000 miles the oil pan gasket failed, tore, & was again leaking a lot of oil. Most recently at a little bit over 1,700 miles the lower intake manifold to head gaskets failed at the water jackets. Header gaskets also failed. All have been replaced with fel pro gaskets, & no problems since. I've used fel pro previously without any of these problems. I sure hope the head gaskets hold up.
[ 2014-10-21, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: FivePTSlow ]
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I would just change them seeing that all the other gaskets failed
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FivePTSlow
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Originally posted by 1NastyBullitt:
I would just change them seeing that all the other gaskets failed
Which reminds me, I forgot to mention the header gaskets failed as well. The only trick flow gaskets left now are the timing chain chain cover, & water pump gaskets. Those I lightly coated entirely with rtv silicone, so they should be ok(crossing fingers)
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highly doubt trickflow makes their own gaskets, still doesn't rule out the chance of them reboxing some super elcheapo garbage.
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racsirx
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I believe it's a felpro 1250 intake gasket that comes with the kit, by chance were you using BBK headers or did you forget to tighten the header bolts after breaking the motor in? Are you venting the motor enough?
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
Super charged an turbo engine's need to be vent more then a n/a engine if not you pressure wise the engine an push the seal an gasket out.
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racsirx
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
I think he has a blower on that motor and I can't see why the rear main seal or oil pan gasket would fail so quickly unless installed wrong, if you don't vent the motor enough under boost then oil leaks will happen.
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That happened to my vert as well i agree u may not be venting the motor enough buy my old valve covers off lee this cleared my venting issue up......
[ 2014-10-21, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: moeofit32 ]
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FivePTSlow
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Originally posted by racsirx:
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
I think he has a blower on that motor and I can't see why the rear main seal or oil pan gasket would fail so quickly unless installed wrong, if you don't vent the motor enough under boost then oil leaks will happen.
Yeah I'm running a blower @ 8psi. Dan said(back when it failed)the rear main seal failed because it was a 2 piece instead of a 1 piece. The oil pan gasket did the same thing these intake manifold gaskets did, pushed out/tore on a corner. The header gaskets turned rock hard and started leaking without any rips or tears. I followed all recommended criss cross/torque recommendations for all applications except header gaskets since it's such a pain to utilize a torque wrench in those areas.
I use BBk non equal length Ceramic Coated Shorties that were brand new when purchased. After many years with Fox's and working at a shop that primarily dealt with Fox's I always check and retighten the header bolts after the first few warm up cycles and then periodically check them over time(every couple times out). I'm not really upset about the header gaskets since those are an easy fix.
As far as venting the motor. It has the factory PCV ran per the Holley Systemax Vacuum Line Diagram, & the valve cover breather with a line run to my power pipe, so that it will pass smog at any smog shop. The dip stick never pushes out, which I've seen happen on boosted fox's which weren't venting enough. What else could I do to vent more? Run an open valve cover breather, then swap it out for smog? I've always thought of that as drawing in unmetered air.
The intake manifold gaskets failed on all of the water passage ways. Would this have anything to do with venting? My car doesn't overheat, or even get close to overheating, so I know it's not that.
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Why would you use a 2 piece main seal on one piece block.
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racsirx
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I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
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I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
I have when been installed wrong.
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FivePTSlow
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Why would you use a 2 piece main seal on one piece block.
That is what came in the kit, I asked Dan if the rest of the gaskets were worth using and he said yes, so I used them, & have been cursing the low quality gaskets ever since.
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Originally posted by racsirx:
I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
I have never seen them fail like this either. Casey said it might have been the clear RTV silicone. I've used clear rtv silicone on many gaskets over the years, but it is interesting that these gaskets failed only in the spots with the clear silicone on them.
The heads are trick flow twisted wedge 170's. They were also brand new when installed, Dan put them on, I think he most likely would have noticed if there were something wrong.
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Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
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FivePTSlow
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Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
It is clear automotive rtv silicone that I used, not actual household caulking. It says not recommended for constant immersion in gasoline. On the actual tube it states how to use it for replacing gaskets, or using it in conjunction with gaskets, just like any other RTV. Temp range -70f-500f
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Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
It is clear automotive rtv silicone that I used, not actual household caulking. It says not recommended for constant immersion in gasoline. On the actual tube it states how to use it for replacing gaskets, or using it in conjunction with gaskets, just like any other RTV. Temp range -70f-500f
I only use gray or Toyota fipg an oil put rtv on the valley of the intake an none on the water ports unless the intake or heads are pitted then I use some but very little.
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racsirx
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Sounds like it's all been installer error
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FivePTSlow
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Sounds like it's all been installer error
Verbatim quote directly from the clear silicone tube:
"For gasket replacement, apply to 1 surface in an unbroken, uniform bead, encircling all bolt holes. For gasket dressing, apply to both sides of precut gasket before installation. Allow 15 minutes to skin over and then join parts." This is automotive rtv silicone, I have used this many times in many gaskets without fail. How is this installer error?
The header gaskets failed while the bolts were tight. How is this installer error? I have since installed new header gaskets with zero leaks. They are the dead soft ones.
The oil pan gasket was installed before the engine was dropped in the car. I used a criss cross pattern and torqued the bolts to spec. 9ft/lbs. how is this installer error? I have since installed the Fel pro one piece pan gasket with the engine still in the car, zero leaks.
The only possible seal you might be able to actually say is installer error is the two piece rear main seal. This was the only rear main seal included in the "premium" trick flow kit. I suppose I was stupid to just believe that trick flow would include all of the correct gaskets in a kit that is advertised as a 5.0L/302 EFI set. I even asked Dan prior to using these gaskets if I should use them or just go with Fel pro, Dan said they were good to go, so I used them. Again, I installed the fel pro one piece with zero leaks.
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Been working on car for many years an anytime I seen clear rtv used it leaks.an those intake gasket in installer error it happens move an use caution when installing the lower intake.
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Been working on car for many years an anytime I seen clear rtv used it leaks.an those intake gasket in installer error it happens move an use caution when installing the lower intake.
I just called trick flow & summit, talked to a couple people at both places, no one had heard of clear silicone causing problems before. Trick flow said that the gaskets are in fact made by fel pro as Lee had mentioned, they took down my info, & said they will contact fel pro directly to see if this could have caused the failure. To me it appears that it did, still strange I haven't encountered problems with clear rtv before.
I've installed quite a few intake manifolds over the years, on my car, & on many other folks cars, this is the only time Ive seen this problem.
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Bad batch?
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FivePTSlow
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Bad batch?
Who knows, the said they will contact me back with more info, so we'll see what they say
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funny every gasket failed lol, sorry but those are prob felpro performance gaskets in the first place. im saying installer error. they where installed incorrectly lol the water ports are warped because they where over tightened for one. u didn't follow correct installing procedures for sure. if u don't follow the tightening sequence your gaskets will look like that every time. the performance gaskets arent as tough as stock bulgy
crap, an u have to be critically careful installing them.
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