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Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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I bought this set(51400912) to use while rebuilding my SBF in 2012. It's my weekend car so it doesn't see many miles. To date the engine has under 1,800 miles. Within 100 miles the rear main seal failed, & was dumping a lot of oil. Then just after 1,000 miles the oil pan gasket failed, tore, & was again leaking a lot of oil. Most recently at a little bit over 1,700 miles the lower intake manifold to head gaskets failed at the water jackets. Header gaskets also failed. All have been replaced with fel pro gaskets, & no problems since. I've used fel pro previously without any of these problems. I sure hope the head gaskets hold up.
[ 2014-10-21, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: FivePTSlow ]
Posted by 1NastyBullitt (Member # 12588) on
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I would just change them seeing that all the other gaskets failed
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by 1NastyBullitt:
I would just change them seeing that all the other gaskets failed
Which reminds me, I forgot to mention the header gaskets failed as well. The only trick flow gaskets left now are the timing chain chain cover, & water pump gaskets. Those I lightly coated entirely with rtv silicone, so they should be ok(crossing fingers)
Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on
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highly doubt trickflow makes their own gaskets, still doesn't rule out the chance of them reboxing some super elcheapo garbage.
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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I believe it's a felpro 1250 intake gasket that comes with the kit, by chance were you using BBK headers or did you forget to tighten the header bolts after breaking the motor in? Are you venting the motor enough?
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
Super charged an turbo engine's need to be vent more then a n/a engine if not you pressure wise the engine an push the seal an gasket out.
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
I think he has a blower on that motor and I can't see why the rear main seal or oil pan gasket would fail so quickly unless installed wrong, if you don't vent the motor enough under boost then oil leaks will happen.
Posted by moeofit32 (Member # 10393) on
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That happened to my vert as well i agree u may not be venting the motor enough buy my old valve covers off lee this cleared my venting issue up......
[ 2014-10-21, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: moeofit32 ]
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by racsirx:
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Are you venting the motor enough?
Elaborate please.
I think he has a blower on that motor and I can't see why the rear main seal or oil pan gasket would fail so quickly unless installed wrong, if you don't vent the motor enough under boost then oil leaks will happen.
Yeah I'm running a blower @ 8psi. Dan said(back when it failed)the rear main seal failed because it was a 2 piece instead of a 1 piece. The oil pan gasket did the same thing these intake manifold gaskets did, pushed out/tore on a corner. The header gaskets turned rock hard and started leaking without any rips or tears. I followed all recommended criss cross/torque recommendations for all applications except header gaskets since it's such a pain to utilize a torque wrench in those areas.
I use BBk non equal length Ceramic Coated Shorties that were brand new when purchased. After many years with Fox's and working at a shop that primarily dealt with Fox's I always check and retighten the header bolts after the first few warm up cycles and then periodically check them over time(every couple times out). I'm not really upset about the header gaskets since those are an easy fix.
As far as venting the motor. It has the factory PCV ran per the Holley Systemax Vacuum Line Diagram, & the valve cover breather with a line run to my power pipe, so that it will pass smog at any smog shop. The dip stick never pushes out, which I've seen happen on boosted fox's which weren't venting enough. What else could I do to vent more? Run an open valve cover breather, then swap it out for smog? I've always thought of that as drawing in unmetered air.
The intake manifold gaskets failed on all of the water passage ways. Would this have anything to do with venting? My car doesn't overheat, or even get close to overheating, so I know it's not that.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Why would you use a 2 piece main seal on one piece block.
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
I have when been installed wrong.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Why would you use a 2 piece main seal on one piece block.
That is what came in the kit, I asked Dan if the rest of the gaskets were worth using and he said yes, so I used them, & have been cursing the low quality gaskets ever since.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by racsirx:
I never said venting had anything to do with your intake gasket, but I would never run PCV with a breather setup with boost, I have never seen intake gasket fail like that, but you might be pressurizing your coolant system with boost or something is wrong with the heads or intake not sealing correctly.
I have never seen them fail like this either. Casey said it might have been the clear RTV silicone. I've used clear rtv silicone on many gaskets over the years, but it is interesting that these gaskets failed only in the spots with the clear silicone on them.
The heads are trick flow twisted wedge 170's. They were also brand new when installed, Dan put them on, I think he most likely would have noticed if there were something wrong.
[ 2014-10-21, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: FivePTSlow ]
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
It is clear automotive rtv silicone that I used, not actual household caulking. It says not recommended for constant immersion in gasoline. On the actual tube it states how to use it for replacing gaskets, or using it in conjunction with gaskets, just like any other RTV. Temp range -70f-500f
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Clear silicone is for house's not cars .
It is clear automotive rtv silicone that I used, not actual household caulking. It says not recommended for constant immersion in gasoline. On the actual tube it states how to use it for replacing gaskets, or using it in conjunction with gaskets, just like any other RTV. Temp range -70f-500f
I only use gray or Toyota fipg an oil put rtv on the valley of the intake an none on the water ports unless the intake or heads are pitted then I use some but very little.
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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Sounds like it's all been installer error
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by racsirx:
Sounds like it's all been installer error
Verbatim quote directly from the clear silicone tube:
"For gasket replacement, apply to 1 surface in an unbroken, uniform bead, encircling all bolt holes. For gasket dressing, apply to both sides of precut gasket before installation. Allow 15 minutes to skin over and then join parts." This is automotive rtv silicone, I have used this many times in many gaskets without fail. How is this installer error?
The header gaskets failed while the bolts were tight. How is this installer error? I have since installed new header gaskets with zero leaks. They are the dead soft ones.
The oil pan gasket was installed before the engine was dropped in the car. I used a criss cross pattern and torqued the bolts to spec. 9ft/lbs. how is this installer error? I have since installed the Fel pro one piece pan gasket with the engine still in the car, zero leaks.
The only possible seal you might be able to actually say is installer error is the two piece rear main seal. This was the only rear main seal included in the "premium" trick flow kit. I suppose I was stupid to just believe that trick flow would include all of the correct gaskets in a kit that is advertised as a 5.0L/302 EFI set. I even asked Dan prior to using these gaskets if I should use them or just go with Fel pro, Dan said they were good to go, so I used them. Again, I installed the fel pro one piece with zero leaks.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Been working on car for many years an anytime I seen clear rtv used it leaks.an those intake gasket in installer error it happens move an use caution when installing the lower intake.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Been working on car for many years an anytime I seen clear rtv used it leaks.an those intake gasket in installer error it happens move an use caution when installing the lower intake.
I just called trick flow & summit, talked to a couple people at both places, no one had heard of clear silicone causing problems before. Trick flow said that the gaskets are in fact made by fel pro as Lee had mentioned, they took down my info, & said they will contact fel pro directly to see if this could have caused the failure. To me it appears that it did, still strange I haven't encountered problems with clear rtv before.
I've installed quite a few intake manifolds over the years, on my car, & on many other folks cars, this is the only time Ive seen this problem.
Posted by 92_5.0 (Member # 7624) on
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Bad batch?
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Bad batch?
Who knows, the said they will contact me back with more info, so we'll see what they say
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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funny every gasket failed lol, sorry but those are prob felpro performance gaskets in the first place. im saying installer error. they where installed incorrectly lol the water ports are warped because they where over tightened for one. u didn't follow correct installing procedures for sure. if u don't follow the tightening sequence your gaskets will look like that every time. the performance gaskets arent as tough as stock bulgy
crap, an u have to be critically careful installing them.
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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anything but the remflex gaskets will need to be constantly re torqued on a almost weekly basis, if not they will leak. buy remflex exaust gaskets.
Posted by i (Member # 12534) on
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So which gaskets you guys prefer on a N/A stock because I was going to order these trick flow gaskets for my stang, I knew they were fel pro gasket too.
Posted by Saleen 00-768 (Member # 9379) on
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go with Felpro 1250s3 with steel core laminate
Posted by Saleen 00-768 (Member # 9379) on
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IIRC ford originally used gaskets with steel cores on their lower intakes
...it could have been install error but ive seen this happen to other people before as well with the same gaskets..
[ 2014-10-21, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Saleen 00-768 ]
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
funny every gasket failed lol, sorry but those are prob felpro performance gaskets in the first place. im saying installer error. they where installed incorrectly lol the water ports are warped because they where over tightened for one. u didn't follow correct installing procedures for sure. if u don't follow the tightening sequence your gaskets will look like that every time. the performance gaskets arent as tough as stock bulgy
crap, an u have to be critically careful installing them.
There is only one way to install a lower intake manifold, and I'm well aware of how that procedure goes. I followed it every time which is many times over the years. Just incase I forgot I have laminated the install instructions for every part I have. Why would this happen only this one time?
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Saying that I installed them wrong is incorrect.
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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yeah if u cant follow complete directions our have any experience, what saleen said.
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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thats the sequence in order but how did u torque them. I start at 5 pounds, then 10, then 15, what ever the rest is, then i go over it again. the middle will always be loose as u go over it a couple times. u can not do this in 2 or 3 steps/ at least 5 rounds of teh touqre has to be done, and has to start of low like 5 at first. other wise, well u found out. an again , those are felpro gaskets. ive installed them hundreds of times. they are finicky. u can say its not installer error if u want. but im past those problems along time ago., i know what the aftermath is, the intake shifted. only a couple things let the intake shift, an it aint felpro or god.
Posted by Saleen 00-768 (Member # 9379) on
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http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/1343451-what-intake-gasket.html
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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You see those blue ring in the gaskets there not made to use rtv on them.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by Saleen 00-768:
http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/1343451-what-intake-gasket.html
Well at least I'm not the only one.
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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dam no kidding
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Guess I'm lucky only my water ports got messed up, those other guys have much worse off gaskets. In all my years, I've used the autozone fel pro gaskets with the rubber end pieces. They have never once failed me, even before following the torque down procedure back in the day.
Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on
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I use a edelbrock intake gasket with high tack to help hold it in place when you put the intake on and then run a thick line of super black rtv for the ends of the intake and a light coat for the water ports. No issues that way. The one piece oil pan gasket and remflex exhaust have also worked well for me. I use blue locktite on the bolts. Always nice to have an engine that does not leak. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/155683953383228073?client=safari&hl=en&biw=320&bih=460&q=high+tack+permatex&oq=high+tack+permatex&ei=DBRHVLvaK8qcygSzqICgBQ&ved=0CGEQpiswAA
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on
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yup installation error. good job man
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on
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I blame it on Obama
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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I blame it on Obama
+1 Obama conspiracy ftw
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by sic70stang:
yup installation error. good job man
Well if it's installation error, then the same thing will happen to the fel pros I just put in because I followed the exact same procedure right?
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by sic70stang:
yup installation error. good job man
Well if it's installation error, then the same thing will happen to the fel pros I just put in because I followed the exact same procedure right?
Then you should pay someone that can do the job the right way
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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Better sell the Coupe before it happens again
Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on
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Bad batch of rtv perhaps? How old is it and was is very humid/dry the days of install? Just a thought...
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by sic70stang:
yup installation error. good job man
Well if it's installation error, then the same thing will happen to the fel pros I just put in because I followed the exact same procedure right?
Then you should pay someone that can do the job the right way
I followed the instructions given with the Holley Systemax II intake manifold both times, if they are incorrect, I should probably just put the factory intake back on. The same instructions come with the Trick flow heads, unlikely that both are incorrect.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Experience goes along way.
[ 2014-10-22, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: hurting your feelings ]
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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Lol, maybe you should part it put, I think it's the clear sealant you are using, I have never used RTV around the coolant ports, I use High Tack Gasket Sealant
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Experience goes along way.
Yes it does. I've been working on Fox's since 2003. I've worked on cars/small engines since I was a kid. I rebuilt my first motor(Briggs & Stratton) by myself at 12 years old. My dad is a car guy as well. I rebuilt my first car engine by myself at 20 years old(2.0 sohc dodge) I have personally owned an 1987 GT T-Top, 1988 GT Convertible, 1989 Coupe, 1991 GT, Two 92 Coupes, & my current 93 Coupe. All of which were bought stock, or close it, then built by myself.
I worked at Mustang of Elk Grove for two years, brought on specifically to rebuild oem engines. This shop primarily worked on EFI Fox's. Routinely did gear swaps, transmission swaps, intake manifold swaps, engine rebuilds, and anything else you would want to do to a Fox.
By no means am I a guru, but a lower intake manifold install I can handle. Especially considering it was done on an engine stand before the motor was dropped in the car.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Here's a picture of the engine after I installed the lower intake manifold. The upper was on there just for the photo. The gasket was fine at this point, you can see it's not pushed out.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Experience goes along way.
Yes it does. I've been working on Fox's since 2003. I've worked on cars/small engines since I was a kid. I rebuilt my first motor(Briggs & Stratton) by myself at 12 years old. My dad is a car guy as well. I rebuilt my first car engine by myself at 20 years old(2.0 sohc dodge) I have personally owned an 1987 GT T-Top, 1988 GT Convertible, 1989 Coupe, 1991 GT, Two 92 Coupes, & my current 93 Coupe. All of which were bought stock, or close it, then built by myself.
I worked at Mustang of Elk Grove for two years, brought on specifically to rebuild oem engines. This shop primarily worked on EFI Fox's. Routinely did gear swaps, transmission swaps, intake manifold swaps, engine rebuilds, and anything else you would want to do to a Fox.
By no means am I a guru, but a lower intake manifold install I can handle. Especially considering it was done on an engine stand before the motor was dropped in the car.
Only a weekend hobbyist would use clear rtv.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Experience goes along way.
Yes it does. I've been working on Fox's since 2003. I've worked on cars/small engines since I was a kid. I rebuilt my first motor(Briggs & Stratton) by myself at 12 years old. My dad is a car guy as well. I rebuilt my first car engine by myself at 20 years old(2.0 sohc dodge) I have personally owned an 1987 GT T-Top, 1988 GT Convertible, 1989 Coupe, 1991 GT, Two 92 Coupes, & my current 93 Coupe. All of which were bought stock, or close it, then built by myself.
I worked at Mustang of Elk Grove for two years, brought on specifically to rebuild oem engines. This shop primarily worked on EFI Fox's. Routinely did gear swaps, transmission swaps, intake manifold swaps, engine rebuilds, and anything else you would want to do to a Fox.
By no means am I a guru, but a lower intake manifold install I can handle. Especially considering it was done on an engine stand before the motor was dropped in the car.
Only a weekend hobbyist would use clear rtv.
If this were the case then I'm sure trick flow would know about it, possibly summit as well. I have used clear rtv for many gaskets over the years, if this is the cause of the gasket failure it will be a first.
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on
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Pretty bad when you manage to screw up every gasket on the engine.
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on
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Who calls trickflow to tell them every gasket failed lol. I could imagine what they were thinking.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Experience goes along way.
Yes it does. I've been working on Fox's since 2003. I've worked on cars/small engines since I was a kid. I rebuilt my first motor(Briggs & Stratton) by myself at 12 years old. My dad is a car guy as well. I rebuilt my first car engine by myself at 20 years old(2.0 sohc dodge) I have personally owned an 1987 GT T-Top, 1988 GT Convertible, 1989 Coupe, 1991 GT, Two 92 Coupes, & my current 93 Coupe. All of which were bought stock, or close it, then built by myself.
I worked at Mustang of Elk Grove for two years, brought on specifically to rebuild oem engines. This shop primarily worked on EFI Fox's. Routinely did gear swaps, transmission swaps, intake manifold swaps, engine rebuilds, and anything else you would want to do to a Fox.
By no means am I a guru, but a lower intake manifold install I can handle. Especially considering it was done on an engine stand before the motor was dropped in the car.
Only a weekend hobbyist would use clear rtv.
If this were the case then I'm sure trick flow would know about it, possibly summit as well. I have used clear rtv for many gaskets over the years, if this is the cause of the gasket failure it will be a first.
Let just say this no manufacturer use clear rtv period.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sic70stang:
Pretty bad when you manage to screw up every gasket on the engine. [/QUOTES
What do you expect he went to home depot an got clear caulking an a husky tool kit.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sic70stang:
Pretty bad when you manage to screw up every gasket on the engine. [/QUOTES
What do you expect he went to home depot an got clear caulking an a husky tool kit.
Now you're just trolling.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sic70stang:
Pretty bad when you manage to screw up every gasket on the engine. [/QUOTES
What do you expect he went to home depot an got clear caulking an a husky tool kit.
Now you're just trolling.
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You got it I told you what you did wrong but you refuse to listen.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sic70stang:
Pretty bad when you manage to screw up every gasket on the engine. [/QUOTES
What do you expect he went to home depot an got clear caulking an a husky tool kit.
Now you're just trolling.
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You got it I told you what you did wrong but you refuse to listen.
I listen just fine. I installed the gaskets the same way Ive always installed these gaskets. These failed, not a single other gasket set I have installed have failed. I have used clear silicone on the felpro gaskets you get from autozone without fail. If they failed as a result of the clear silicone(bought from autozone) then I would say they are made of inferior materials. The cork sections of the gasket also had clear silicone on them, they were in tact & in great shape.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Rookie move no one use the cork gaskets on the valley you just need a nice bead of rtv.an those gaskets with the rubber o-ring are not made to be used with rtv.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Rookie move no one use the cork gaskets on the valley you just need a nice bead of rtv.an those gaskets with the rubber o-ring are not made to be used with rtv.
Ive used cork, rtv only, & the rubber fel pro gaskets at the front & back, no failures with any of them. Not even trick flow knew the answer to whether clear silicone coukd be used with the fel pro gaskets included in theur kit, so it's fair to say this is not common knowledge. Trick flow tw heads install instructions say to use silicone on the water jacket areas of the gasket. It does not say which type of rtv to use, or not to use.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Look at this way how does come out of the factory. There is no rtv on the water jackets an the don't use cork gaskets. The only place you see rtv is on the corners were metal meets the metal.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Look at this way how does come out of the factory. There is no rtv on the water jackets an the don't use cork gaskets. The only place you see rtv is on the corners were metal meets the metal.
Look at it this way. I followed the instructions that came from the manufacturer to the letter. The gaskets failed. The gaskets are low quality. I would venture to say I have installed more than 25 intake manifolds on Fox's. In fact I just spoke with my buddy/old neighbor Carlos. I installed his cobra intake manifold 4 years ago, with autozone fel pro gaskets, no problems. This has not happened a single time previously.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Do what you want man you know more then everyone else.
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Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Do what you want man you know more then everyone else.
So, just to make sure I understand your point of view.
If someone follows instructions, and the part fails anyway, it's their fault?
Without any doubt I showed you that I installed this per manufacturer instructions.
And yes I always read instructions, a little refresher never hurt anyone. This also covers you incase procedures have been updated/changed.
I never claimed to know more than anyone. My only claim here is that I installed the gaskets/manifold correctly, & they failed.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
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Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Do what you want man you know more then everyone else.
So, just to make sure I understand your point of view.
If someone follows instructions, and the part fails anyway, it's their fault?
Without any doubt I showed you that I installed this per manufacturer instructions.
And yes I always read instructions, a little refresher never hurt anyone. This also covers you incase procedures have been updated/changed.
I never claimed to know more than anyone. My only claim here is that I installed the gaskets/manifold correctly, & they failed.
I follow the way ford wants it done but that's the great thing about being trained by dealerships you learn common sense an not to follow aftermarket manuals.
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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I'm sure the amount of dealer trained mechanics on here is likely a very small percentage. I'm sure Holley & Trick Flow have no clue what they're talking about ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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I take my earlier statement back. I have had a set of these do the same thing. just on teh water ports. but i have seen countless other intake gaskets of other designs do similiar things. most of teh time it is installer error. maybe mine was. but that link saleen posted earlier with aLL THE OTHER GUYS having those problems, made me remember when i found my gaskets doing that, they felt like cheap paper really, i ended up running a stock gasket with steel inner lining an just ported it to my shape i needed. yeah that style gasket sucks. its felpro through, not trick flow. rear seal an what else u said is def installer error,,,, lol jk who knows for sure.
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on
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You still wrench on stuff Dave?
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Originally posted by 135.0:
You still wrench on stuff Dave?
Went back to Volkswagen dealership in may I was bored at home.retirement was cool but I like to work an get out of the house.
Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on
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I can't believe you're still posting here and feeding these trolls. The one dude gets butthurt because you're not paying him enough attention so he calls you names and makes fun of you. Isn't this the guy who's been banned a few times before for acting like a child on here?
Go to a real forum where you might get some help rather than people shitting up your thread. Or, post up on cafords 10-15yrs ago and get all the help in the world.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/adhesives-sealants/sealants/permatex--clear-rtv-silicone-adhesive-sealant-detail
^^^^link for clear rtv^^^^
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-black-maximum-oil-resistance-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail
^^^^link for black rtv^^^^
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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quote:
Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/adhesives-sealants/sealants/permatex--clear-rtv-silicone-adhesive-sealant-detail
^^^^link for clear rtv^^^^
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-black-maximum-oil-resistance-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail
^^^^link for black rtv^^^^
That is not the brand I used, nice try though
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on
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quote:
Originally posted by phil a:
I can't believe you're still posting here and feeding these trolls. The one dude gets butthurt because you're not paying him enough attention so he calls you names and makes fun of you. Isn't this the guy who's been banned a few times before for acting like a child on here?
Go to a real forum where you might get some help rather than people shitting up your thread. Or, post up on cafords 10-15yrs ago and get all the help in the world.
He is not asking for help.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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quote:
Originally posted by FivePTSlow:
quote:
Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/adhesives-sealants/sealants/permatex--clear-rtv-silicone-adhesive-sealant-detail
^^^^link for clear rtv^^^^
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-black-maximum-oil-resistance-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail
^^^^link for black rtv^^^^
That is not the brand I used, nice try though
I'm just point out the industry standard is not to use clear rtv or blue rtv.as I have seen both fail an causing leaks.
An just remember auto parts stores will sell anything you want like chrome paint an fake fender vents.
[ 2014-10-23, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: hurting your feelings ]
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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If you did not know how to do an install, or needed some specs while at work at the dealership, what program would you reference to obtain specs/install info?
Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on
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Lol
Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on
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LMFAO!!!!!!
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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I ask because when I check All Data it lists clear silicone specifically as applicable for this gasket installation. All Data is THE resource for tons of shops & dealerships for OEM service. D6AZ-19652-AA (clear) or D6AZ-19652-BA (black) Silicone
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on
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What the fuck is all data? No true tech would read a fucking book.
Best way to stay high on your book hours is to find those little short cuts on each repair so you can triple your pay, retire early like Derek jeter then come back out of retirement to give your ass a hard time on cafords lololololol
Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on
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Originally posted by 135.0:
What the fuck is all data? No true tech would read a fucking book.
Best way to stay high on your book hours is to find those little short cuts on each repair so you can triple your pay, retire early like Derek jeter then come back out of retirement to give your ass a hard time on cafords lololololol
All Data is a resource for dealerships & shops for proper oem specs, oem install procedures, & diagrams etc.
I used All Data when installing a water pump on my co-workers Jeep yesterday to find the torque spec for the bolts. When working with aluminum I would never take short cuts or guess a torque spec.
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on
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quote:
Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Ford usse fmcdealer. Com
An every ford engine i took apart working for ford used gray rtv.
Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on
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LMFAO aww man , thanks for the comedy guys . I needed it TTT
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