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A quick look at his video clearly shows a lifter that is not pumped up. So you can look at it till the cows come home they all have to be removed and checked on a bleed down lifter tester. Clearly that is what is happening here unless he has an issue with oil delivery to the lifter gallies. So time to break out the tools and find out the issue.
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What kind of lifters should I get?
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FORD.
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FORD.
Just stock lifters? I was told to upgrade because of the size of my cam. And that the body of it wouldn't handle revs cam size ect.
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Most cam grinders use all the same lifters. They contract from the cheapest vendor normally. We use stock lifters in chevys Dodges and fords. The cam is not the issue with lifters. It is the Valve spring pressures. Normally Performance engines use dual valve springs putting extra loads on the lifters. But i run a 658 Lift cam in my LS3 and use stock chevy lifters. Your cam is not that big as i read the post. I asked for the specks but you did not post them. .Ford does make a high performance lifter as i remember. Bubbed as an anti pump up unit. I really could not explain what an anti pump up lifter is as i was never able to tell the difference one bit. Anti pump up just another BS story from the aftermarket crap selling point.
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Howard there made by morel.an what is your rpm range you shifting at.
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Lifters do not care about RPM . I shift my camaro well in to the 7500 Rpm band with absolutely no issues. Why would the lifters care about RPM BAND????? I shift my 331 at 8100-8500 with no issues whatsoever.Most of us know who makes the lifters.
http://www.adperformance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=191_286
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Lifters do not care about RPM . I shift my camaro well in to the 7500 Rpm band with absolutely no issues. Why would the lifters care about RPM BAND????? I shift my 331 at 8100-8500 with no issues whatsoever.Most of us know who makes the lifters.
http://www.adperformance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=191_286
Because I just want to known what his rpm range is.is that a problem for you super tech?
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Actually thank you as i am a super TECH. I hold 28 ASE certifications and i am also I car certified. And here is the rewards
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Actually thank you as i am a super TECH. I hold 28 ASE certifications and i am also I car certified and you???
8 ask some else certs. an a California emissions inspection license for the last 15 years.dealer trained ford, Mercedes Benz, an Toyota technician an going now I my fourth brand this year after retiring 2 years ago.
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So does this mean we are buddies. Or we can call it a day and get along. Ok so you are a BENZ GUY. How about this First CLA 45 in the country and i love it. After 40 miles of driving it with it's bleak 355 Hp it now produces 480 AWHP. Not bad. And yes the warranty is definitely VOID. But what do i care as i build these for MB after they are imported and get blown away by a camaro, So MB uses me as there vendor. Thank you now lets get along. We can do more good working together, Thanks Tom
First thing i did was drop it one inch. Then the ponies needed to be improved as you can see Tom Jr did the rest of the body for uniqueness,Even down to the color of the brakes and did the wheels also. Notice the black on the window trim which we changed, Hay have a great day Sir. We love this car. People have no clue what it is. We blow away those turbo porches with regularity. On the highway a Porsche is dead meat. And it is the fast ones not the NA ONES!!
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Ok I'll clearify a couple things. I ment spring pressure not the cam. My cam is matched for these springs. Also I shift at 6500-6700. But usually 6500.. I was told by gromm racing (which is one of the best shops in the bay) to get the comp cam short travel lifters because of my quick reves, high reves, and spring pressure.... I wanted good quality parts which almost seems like it's biting me in the ass right now.
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Most cam grinders use all the same lifters. They contract from the cheapest vendor normally. We use stock lifters in chevys Dodges and fords. The cam is not the issue with lifters. It is the Valve spring pressures. Normally Performance engines use dual valve springs putting extra loads on the lifters. But i run a 658 Lift cam in my LS3 and use stock chevy lifters. Your cam is not that big as i read the post. I asked for the specks but you did not post them. .Ford does make a high performance lifter as i remember. Bubbed as an anti pump up unit. I really could not explain what an anti pump up lifter is as i was never able to tell the difference one bit. Anti pump up just another BS story from the aftermarket crap selling point.
I'm sure the body of the ls3 lifters are different than mine... As far as specs of the cam I don't post them because that's something I don't want to share with the public. If you really want to know pm me and I'll tell you.
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Ok I'll clearify a couple things. I ment spring pressure not the cam. My cam is matched for these springs. Also I shift at 6500-6700. But usually 6500.. I was told by gromm racing (which is one of the best shops in the bay) to get the comp cam short travel lifters because of my quick reves, high reves, and spring pressure.... I wanted good quality parts which almost seems like it's biting me in the ass right now.
Makes sense why told to get those lifters. Have talk to gromm racing about your problem. I take they were the ones to assemble it for you.
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Ok I'll clearify a couple things. I ment spring pressure not the cam. My cam is matched for these springs. Also I shift at 6500-6700. But usually 6500.. I was told by gromm racing (which is one of the best shops in the bay) to get the comp cam short travel lifters because of my quick reves, high reves, and spring pressure.... I wanted good quality parts which almost seems like it's biting me in the ass right now.
Makes sense why told to get those lifters. Have talk to gromm racing about your problem. I take they were the ones to assemble it for you.
Yes everything was assembled and fully balanced there. Even the pistons where weighed and worked on to make everything weigh the same lol. Just sucks that I spent all this money to have this problem just 1k miles down the road. If it's something more serious I'm going to scrap everything but the hci and get a dart block.
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I would call gromm in the morning an tell what's going on you may have a parts warranty on the lifters.
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PS i do not understand your reasoning for not posting cam profiles but that is your right. What has to be done here is you need to find out why those lifters are not pumping up. Clearly they did for 1000 miles so one has to wonder why this happened. Once again either the check valves in the lifters failed or they are not getting proper oil pressure to them. I said yopu should contact the maker of these lifters no dought. But it is not likely they will admit they have an issue. But then again you never know. Also why in the world did they make the bodies longer is beyond me. And as far as using LS lifters i never suggested that i just gave you an example that we use factory units with no issues. Good luck .
If memory serves me i think there is a way to make those lifters removable by some slight grinding of reliefs to the head. I have never done it but i seem to remember Joe over at Ford Competition engines talking about that. I also contacted Joe on your issue and all he builds is ford racing engines and he never uses those lifters. have a great day guys.
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Street races like to keep everything on the down low.so it makes it a hustlers game when racing.
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OK i got it. Thanks!!
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Heads, lifters and push rods check out good. So I'm just going to pull the engine and inspect everything. Sucks since the engine just finished breaking in.
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For those that helped car has been running great.... I know I didn't update it a little late but you guys would not guess what it was.... Oil pick up tube broke and was hitting the rotating assembly haha.
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For those that helped car has been running great.... I know I didn't update it a little late but you guys would not guess what it was.... Oil pick up tube broke and was hitting the rotating assembly haha.
That's crazy wouldn't even thought about that.
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For those that helped car has been running great.... I know I didn't update it a little late but you guys would not guess what it was.... Oil pick up tube broke and was hitting the rotating assembly haha.
That's crazy wouldn't even thought about that.
Right! After switchng the pick up tube everything was great. I've never had this happen or even heard of anyone having this problem.
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You picked the gayest mercedes out of them all. smh man card revoked!
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