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who makes the lifters you are using?? That lifter pictured above is classic of a roller failure. That in turn wipes out the cam. Like i said something has to go wrong to wipe out a roller cam. Looks like a seized roller or the roller is soft. Have a great evening guys
Which would be a flat cam?
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Wow Thanks for the info.
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The same thing happened to my Pontiac motor many years ago. The link broke and the lifter spun also. Thank you
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Well adjusted my rockers. And still has a loud tick! Really starting to bug me. So next is taking the heads off to check the lifters?
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Well adjusted my rockers. And still has a loud tick! Really starting to bug me. So next is taking the heads off to check the lifters?
Yeap tear down an inspection is the next step.
An have you had the oil filter cut open yet to see if there is metal in it.
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Well adjusted my rockers. And still has a loud tick! Really starting to bug me. So next is taking the heads off to check the lifters?
Yeap tear down an inspection is the next step.
An have you had the oil filter cut open yet to see if there is metal in it.
On the first oil change I didn't see anything. Going to change the oil again and see if there's anything now.
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Who makes the lifters PS just curious. And who makles the cam just curious. Thanks
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Who makes the lifters PS just curious. And who makles the cam just curious. Thanks
Go read the frist post an you will find out what lifters he used.
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I saw that call COMP cam if you have there lifters. I am sure you have them if you have there cam. If you set up your Geometry correctly you do not need short throw units. I do not use the short stroke ones but to each his own. What i meant by what cam you have i wanted the specks. I apologize for not making that clear.I asked the question incorrectly Sorry. Is it a very aggressive unit?? With 1000 on the build those lifters should not be an issue. If i may did you say you had more that one collapsed or just one. If it is bank specific the galley plug may have come out. If it is just 2 or 3 on different banks it is not. I had an engine FORD that this happened to last month. Same thing the lifters collapsed. Once again good luck.
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I saw that call COMP cam if you have there lifters. I am sure you have them if you have there cam. If you set up your Geometry correctly you do not need short throw units. I do not use the short stroke ones but to each his own. What i meant by what cam you have i wanted the specks. I apologize for not making that clear.I asked the question incorrectly Sorry. Is it a very aggressive unit?? With 1000 on the build those lifters should not be an issue. If i may did you say you had more that one collapsed or just one. If it is bank specific the galley plug may have come out. If it is just 2 or 3 on different banks it is not. I had an engine FORD that this happened to last month. Same thing the lifters collapsed. Once again good luck.
I don't know how to tell if a lifter is clapsed. The cam is milder side made for boost. All the rockers moved and seemed fine but one seemed super stiff. Even after adjusting it, it had no play at all. Lifter are comp cams short travel lifters. Everything was matched up correctly.
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Pm me your number an I will explain what to look for.
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You know what a collapsed lifter is. Your video shows it clearly. Not pumping up and when you push it down it has play. Simple!!! The lifters should pump up and be solid as a rock. You should not be able to push them down.The clicking noise that brought it to your attention is proof positive you have collapsed lifters. Good luck.
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You know what a collapsed lifter is. Your video shows it clearly. Not pumping up and when you push it down it has play. Simple!!! The lifters should pump up and be solid as a rock. You should not be able to push them down.The clicking noise that brought it to your attention is proof positive you have collapsed lifters. Good luck.
I think he want to know how to visual check if there collapsed.
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You know what a collapsed lifter is. Your video shows it clearly. Not pumping up and when you push it down it has play. Simple!!! The lifters should pump up and be solid as a rock. You should not be able to push them down.The clicking noise that brought it to your attention is proof positive you have collapsed lifters. Good luck.
So from what you are saying every lifter but one is bad? They where all doing that. Except one that was rock solid no movement... This sucks I'm going to have to pull the heads and replace all the lifters from my understanding.
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The video is quite visual dont you think. There is either an issue with those lifters all of them i dought it. If he can in fact push them down like in his video they are clearly collapsed. If he has only one that is hard it might be on lift without seeing it in person i can not tell. But chances are they all can not be bad. Check all of them like you did in the video and post back. Something has gone really bad here. Like i said the last engine we saw this on had a galley plug fall out. No oil pressure to the lifters they can not pump up. And further more he said they were ok for 1000 miles. That is the key that either all those lifters have an issue or he has a common problem with that block.
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The video is quite visual dont you think. There is either an issue with those lifters all of them i dought it. If he can in fact push them down like in his video they are clearly collapsed. If he has only one that is hard it might be on lift without seeing it in person i can not tell. But chances are they all can not be bad. Check all of them like you did in the video and post back. Something has gone really bad here. Like i said the last engine we saw this on had a galley plug fall out. No oil pressure to the lifters they can not pump up. And further more he said they were ok for 1000 miles. That is the key that either all those lifters have an issue or he has a common problem with that block.
It has pressure and oil coming out from all the rockers. After I adjusted them they did not move like the video.... I'm just gonna pull the heads and inspect every lifter and the cam. If nothing is wrong. I'm just gonna run it till it blows.
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Call Comp and talk to them. They just replaced a set of rockers that where tightening up and going away after only 1 hour of dyno time. They were aware of the problem with a batch of there rockers. Could be the same with some of there lifters also.
They do not make these things. They are made by someone else with there name on them. The only thing they make are cams. I am not a fan of comp products.
Are you sure the noise isn't rockers.
How much preload are you giving the lifters ?
How are you adjusting preload ?
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Just wanted to throw this out there. You only need to take the intake off to check lifters. You don't need to pull the heads off.
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Just wanted to throw this out there. You only need to take the intake off to check lifters. You don't need to pull the heads off.
Don't I need to take the lifter out to Inspect a lifter?.. My lifters are aftermarket they will not come out because they hit the heads. I have tried taking them out with the heads and that's a no go.
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How do you check a lifter by just pulling the intake and looking at the top of them??? They are not pumping up. They either are defective or not getting full oil pressure. My guess is they are defective. If you used aftermarket lifters as you clearly did they are a tad longer and need the head removed to either install them or remove them. That is as i posted is something i would not do or use those lifters for that reason. Simply put this is the garbage the aftermarket bestows on us and you need to know when not to use that crap. I do not want to start a pissing match but comp lifters are GARBAGE. Just My opinion.
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How do you check a lifter by just pulling the intake and looking at the top of them??? They are not pumping up. They either are defective or not getting full oil pressure. My guess is they are defective. If you used aftermarket lifters as you clearly did they are a tad longer and need the head removed to either install them or remove them. That is as i posted is something i would not do or use those lifters for that reason. Simply put this is the garbage the aftermarket bestows on us and you need to know when not to use that crap. I do not want to start a pissing match but comp lifters are GARBAGE. Just My opinion.
You may see the hydraulic part of the lifter aka the plunger stuck down in the bore.
Some folks need to see the bad part to believe it.
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How do you check a lifter by just pulling the intake and looking at the top of them??? They are not pumping up. They either are defective or not getting full oil pressure. My guess is they are defective. If you used aftermarket lifters as you clearly did they are a tad longer and need the head removed to either install them or remove them. That is as i posted is something i would not do or use those lifters for that reason. Simply put this is the garbage the aftermarket bestows on us and you need to know when not to use that crap. I do not want to start a pissing match but comp lifters are GARBAGE. Just My opinion.
That's why I said if I would have known this was going to happen I would have never gotten this type of lifter. I did not assemble the engine.
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If the lifter was stuck down he would not have that spring effect when he pushed down on the rocker. As i said there is absolutely no reason to look at those lifters. They belong in the garbage or dumpster whatever fits you trash needs. If in fact the lifters were totally collapsed and not just not pumping up then he would not have the spring action he posted in his video. Get the tools out!!! It is party time. Good luck.
What sucks is this would have been a simple fix if the lifters are the issue. And if those lifters were not used. They would have just popped out without removing the heads. The price paid by aftermarket junk.
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If the lifter was stuck down he would not have that spring effect when he pushed down on the rocker. As i said there is absolutely no reason to look at those lifters. They belong in the garbage or dumpster whatever fits you trash needs. If in fact the lifters were totally collapsed and not just not pumping up then he would not have the spring action he posted in his video. Get the tools out!!! It is party time. Good luck.
What sucks is this would have been a simple fix if the lifters are the issue. And if those lifters were not used. They would have just popped out without removing the heads. The price paid by aftermarket junk.
Go back a read where he said all but one rocker could be re-adjusted
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