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So if don win his law suit does that mean he will finally move out of ex house an start paying rent.
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His job is to control only if there is a crime being committed.
Well no, that's not the case. A cop can question you, detain you, put you in handcuffs during his investigation. You can be arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime. Whether or not a crime was actually committed is determined in court. Telling a cop "I don't need to comply with you because I feel I'm innocent" is not going to work. Anywhere. Anytime.
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That officer gave exactly zero reason for being there.
He didn't have to. It is their job to patrol the streets. Sure you can film it. That TV show Cops has been on for years before cell phone cameras were popular.
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Once again if you or I did what that cop did we would be in jail. Police are not above the law, they have to enforce AND obey the same laws.
That's not exactly true either. The difference between us and cops is they have a badge which allows them, within reason, to break laws that you and I would be arrested for so they can do their job. You can argue what does "Within reason" mean and that's a very valid point. There's been a lot of headlines / videos where it's questionable or even not "within reason". Just don't make a bad situation worse by fighting with a cop. If it's not within reason, hire Burris, take it to court, and sue the city for a few million but do that afterwards.
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I could care less if the guy is an asshole or not.
The cop probably does. The cop is walking into an unknown situation. He will be on high alert. The best thing you can do is lower his alert level by acting sensible and reasonable. I doubt there's anything you can say to a cop that he hasn't heard before. But start acting dangerous, or weird or evasive and he'll keep one hand on his holster.
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And I am guessing that if the cop tells you to get on your knees and open your mouth you would because you are not a lawyer?
Get real.
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The cop walked into a situation he did not need to, nor had the right too. The cop escalated the violence immediately. The cop was out of line and violated 1st and 4th amendment rights immediately without cause.
A cop can question you but you have exactly zero reason or lawful need to answer him unless he detains you. You can tell a cop to go fuck his mom until he detains you. And he cannot detain you for telling him to go fuck his mom.
The cop got out of the car because the guy was filming him. the cop even admitted to that. So the cop escalates a situation with threat of death because someone is exercising their 1st amendment rights.
Once again the cop was out of line, on a power trip and should be in jail for brandishing and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
There was ZERO reason for the encounter. If there was the cop would have detained him. The cop walked into an unneeded unknown situation and escalated it.
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So if don win his law suit does that mean he will finally move out of ex house an start paying rent.
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This is a great thread with a *mostly* thoughtful discussion. While I can't say for sure that the officer wasn't out of line, the idea of a utopia where LEO's must follow civilian laws while on duty is tough for me to grasp. I think there's a reason why it doesn't exist anywhere in the world, chaos would ensue.
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As for why the cop is there, he could be patrolling his beat. It's his job to patrol the city he is in. Cops have been getting ambushed left and right, why be a sitting duck in the patrol car if you can better defend yourself outside of it. People have been making guns out of the simplest things, and yes cellphone guns are out there. The media is just there to get their ratings and the anti cop movement is what's getting a large amount of viewers. We will not know who is in the wrong until we have the whole story.
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As for why the cop is there, he could be patrolling his beat. It's his job to patrol the city he is in. Cops have been getting ambushed left and right, why be a sitting duck in the patrol car if you can better defend yourself outside of it. People have been making guns out of the simplest things, and yes cellphone guns are out there. The media is just there to get their ratings and the anti cop movement is what's getting a large amount of viewers. We will not know who is in the wrong until we have the whole story.
Cops are NOT getting ambushed left and right.
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Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
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^^^The problem there is that nowadays, alot of Police believe that They're the Judge, Jury AND Executioner. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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His job is to control only if there is a crime being committed.
Well no, that's not the case. A cop can question you, detain you, put you in handcuffs during his investigation. You can be arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime. Whether or not a crime was actually committed is determined in court. Telling a cop "I don't need to comply with you because I feel I'm innocent" is not going to work. Anywhere. Anytime.
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That officer gave exactly zero reason for being there.
He didn't have to. It is their job to patrol the streets. Sure you can film it. That TV show Cops has been on for years before cell phone cameras were popular.
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Once again if you or I did what that cop did we would be in jail. Police are not above the law, they have to enforce AND obey the same laws.
That's not exactly true either. The difference between us and cops is they have a badge which allows them, within reason, to break laws that you and I would be arrested for so they can do their job. You can argue what does "Within reason" mean and that's a very valid point. There's been a lot of headlines / videos where it's questionable or even not "within reason". Just don't make a bad situation worse by fighting with a cop. If it's not within reason, hire Burris, take it to court, and sue the city for a few million but do that afterwards.
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I could care less if the guy is an asshole or not.
The cop probably does. The cop is walking into an unknown situation. He will be on high alert. The best thing you can do is lower his alert level by acting sensible and reasonable. I doubt there's anything you can say to a cop that he hasn't heard before. But start acting dangerous, or weird or evasive and he'll keep one hand on his holster.
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And I am guessing that if the cop tells you to get on your knees and open your mouth you would because you are not a lawyer?
Get real.
Thank god someone with some brains.
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Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
Actually they should be put in jail for vehicular pursuit. Time and time again its been proven to be incredibly dangerous and deadly to the general public for a cop to initiate a chase.
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His job is to control only if there is a crime being committed.
Well no, that's not the case. A cop can question you, detain you, put you in handcuffs during his investigation. You can be arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime. Whether or not a crime was actually committed is determined in court. Telling a cop "I don't need to comply with you because I feel I'm innocent" is not going to work. Anywhere. Anytime.
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That officer gave exactly zero reason for being there.
He didn't have to. It is their job to patrol the streets. Sure you can film it. That TV show Cops has been on for years before cell phone cameras were popular.
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Once again if you or I did what that cop did we would be in jail. Police are not above the law, they have to enforce AND obey the same laws.
That's not exactly true either. The difference between us and cops is they have a badge which allows them, within reason, to break laws that you and I would be arrested for so they can do their job. You can argue what does "Within reason" mean and that's a very valid point. There's been a lot of headlines / videos where it's questionable or even not "within reason". Just don't make a bad situation worse by fighting with a cop. If it's not within reason, hire Burris, take it to court, and sue the city for a few million but do that afterwards.
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I could care less if the guy is an asshole or not.
The cop probably does. The cop is walking into an unknown situation. He will be on high alert. The best thing you can do is lower his alert level by acting sensible and reasonable. I doubt there's anything you can say to a cop that he hasn't heard before. But start acting dangerous, or weird or evasive and he'll keep one hand on his holster.
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And I am guessing that if the cop tells you to get on your knees and open your mouth you would because you are not a lawyer?
Get real.
She is not a laywer so should not have complained...i mean he is an officer and knows what he is doing:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-antonio-cuffed-raped-19-year-old-traffic-stop-police-article-1.1527459
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What you fail to realize is that the officer's penis felt threatened, so he HAD to take the appropriate actions to tame and control Dat Pussy by any means necessary.
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Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
Actually they should be put in jail for vehicular pursuit. Time and time again its been proven to be incredibly dangerous and deadly to the general public for a cop to initiate a chase.
Who's the one fleeing? So your suggestion is that anytime a criminal flees, the police should desist pursuit? That's a great idea. What if the person flees in your stolen Mustang?
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Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
Actually they should be put in jail for vehicular pursuit. Time and time again its been proven to be incredibly dangerous and deadly to the general public for a cop to initiate a chase.
Who's the one fleeing? So your suggestion is that anytime a criminal flees, the police should desist pursuit? That's a great idea. What if the person flees in your stolen Mustang?
Yes they should desist the pursuit, they have so many other ways to track these guys that its no longer needed. All it does is put the public at unnecessary risk just so some officers can get their adrenaline rush.
And if my mustang was stolen I would rather the cops not chase because A) I don't want anyone innocent killed B) Less likely of the car getting wrecked and C) I have insurance for a reason.
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If don't want the police to them to there job move to very safe and low crime area's like Chicago and Baltimore. I'm pretty sure the cops are not doing much there because there so good at policing them self's.
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Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
Actually they should be put in jail for vehicular pursuit. Time and time again its been proven to be incredibly dangerous and deadly to the general public for a cop to initiate a chase.
Who's the one fleeing? So your suggestion is that anytime a criminal flees, the police should desist pursuit? That's a great idea. What if the person flees in your stolen Mustang?
Yes they should desist the pursuit, they have so many other ways to track these guys that its no longer needed. All it does is put the public at unnecessary risk just so some officers can get their adrenaline rush.
And if my mustang was stolen I would rather the cops not chase because A) I don't want anyone innocent killed B) Less likely of the car getting wrecked and C) I have insurance for a reason.
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If don't want the police to them to there job move to very safe and low crime area's like Chicago and Baltimore. I'm pretty sure the cops are not doing much there because there so good at policing them self's.
I stay away from liberal strongholds as much as possible where the black communities are offing each other at record numbers.
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Originally posted by 135.0:
Right but he put the stuff on the truck after the cop drew his weapon and it wasn't pointed at him, just ready in case. I don't have a problem with that.
Besides the fact that brandishing is illegal? If you or I did that we would be in jail. Cops are in fact NOT above the law and have to abide by the same laws as we do. There was exactly zero cause for A) The officer to be there and B) for him to do that.
More people need to press LEO's on this kind of thing. Exercise your rights or lose them.
Bwahahahaha. Great logic. Ok, so if the police exceed the speed limit while in a vehicular pursuit, they should get a ticket?
Actually they should be put in jail for vehicular pursuit. Time and time again its been proven to be incredibly dangerous and deadly to the general public for a cop to initiate a chase.
Who's the one fleeing? So your suggestion is that anytime a criminal flees, the police should desist pursuit? That's a great idea. What if the person flees in your stolen Mustang?
Yes they should desist the pursuit, they have so many other ways to track these guys that its no longer needed. All it does is put the public at unnecessary risk just so some officers can get their adrenaline rush.
And if my mustang was stolen I would rather the cops not chase because A) I don't want anyone innocent killed B) Less likely of the car getting wrecked and C) I have insurance for a reason.
Why dont you run for president? Jesus christ, you are the new cobraracer
Ya god forbid I hate seeing innocent people die at the hands of police incompetence, considering how we are the only civilized country that has this level of police violence/brutality problem (outside of like Russia, North Korea and China )
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coyotemike, im curious as to what happen to you when you were in the program (FTO or JTO), academy, etc...why all the negativity towards cops and how their job is done. its definitely not easy, as i hope you would know, but i dont know how long youve worn a badge and carried a gun.
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coyotemike, im curious as to what happen to you when you were in the program (FTO or JTO), academy, etc...why all the negativity towards cops and how their job is done. its definitely not easy, as i hope you would know, but i dont know how long youve worn a badge and carried a gun.
They found out is a coward and couldn't back up his own shadow.
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coyotemike, im curious as to what happen to you when you were in the program (FTO or JTO), academy, etc...why all the negativity towards cops and how their job is done. its definitely not easy, as i hope you would know, but i dont know how long youve worn a badge and carried a gun.
Its definitely not easy and I understand that, but its still no excuse to trample peoples rights and/or endanger the public at any chance.
@Fredfifty
I spent about a 18 months uniformed, but left for higher paying careers.
As for my time spent with APD, it was an eye opener. Pretty much every encounter was the FTO trying multiple ways to get someone to give up their rights. Many stops were initiated, that in my opinion were not needed, under false pretense. Reports changed to fit the situation they wanted. They had a good ole boy club that would profile endlessly. Not something I enjoyed one bit. Mind you this was 14 years ago. And none of this excuses violence towards and police officer like these black lives matter jackholes are advocating.
@Hurting - awe are your panties are in a bunch this morning? But you are perfectly describing most officers these days who shoot first and ask questions later. So scared that the boogeyman is going to get them eh? I "feared for my life" is exactly what you described.
P.S. Here is a website for you for your atrocious use of the English language:
https://www.hookedonphonics.com/
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