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JZTRK
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351W punched out to a 408 is my next move
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90coupe50
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351W punched out to a 408 is my next move
Sounds like a pretty good project bro
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the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
Thanks good info bro
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warhorse58gt
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
if you call 8.5 to 1 comp, 354ci, & custom blower cam. "pretty agressive" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) runs 10.5x's in a t-top car on 91. hell, bet i could run that fast on 87 if i tried. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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svfreerider87
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
if you call 8.5 to 1 comp, 354ci, & custom blower cam. "pretty agressive" runs 10.5x's in a t-top car on 91. hell, bet i could run that fast on 87 if i tried.
i'd call that dart block pretty agressive, lol.
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warhorse58gt
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
if you call 8.5 to 1 comp, 354ci, & custom blower cam. "pretty agressive" runs 10.5x's in a t-top car on 91. hell, bet i could run that fast on 87 if i tried.
i'd call that dart block pretty agressive, lol.
why? because it's stronger than a stock block? a dart block don't make more power than a stock block, it can handle more power. i can take my h/c/i and put them on a stock short block and make the same power that i am making na.
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svfreerider87
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
if you call 8.5 to 1 comp, 354ci, & custom blower cam. "pretty agressive" runs 10.5x's in a t-top car on 91. hell, bet i could run that fast on 87 if i tried.
i'd call that dart block pretty agressive, lol.
why? because it's stronger than a stock block? a dart block don't make more power than a stock block, it can handle more power. i can take my h/c/i and put them on a stock short block and make the same power that i am making na.
well you've got machining, balancing, the cost of your rotating assembly, that's quite a bit different than a 351 swap, that's a custom motor. not knocking it I love your car it's super sleeper, but i'm pretty sure he's not trying to bracket race this thing and run 9's.
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warhorse58gt
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
the ls1 will give the car a better weight balance, bolt ons and parts are a little cheaper, it runs more efficient, a 351 would have to be built pretty agressively to compete with a modded ls. i've had both a 408 stroker and a ls1, in their respected cars of course, i'd honestly say I liked the ls1 better, more efficient, less torque but i wasn't rock crawling, lol, and i'm speaking of ls1 swapped into fox vs 351, ls1 in a f body or vettes are completely different beasts.
if you call 8.5 to 1 comp, 354ci, & custom blower cam. "pretty agressive" runs 10.5x's in a t-top car on 91. hell, bet i could run that fast on 87 if i tried.
i'd call that dart block pretty agressive, lol.
why? because it's stronger than a stock block? a dart block don't make more power than a stock block, it can handle more power. i can take my h/c/i and put them on a stock short block and make the same power that i am making na.
well you've got machining, balancing, the cost of your rotating assembly, that's quite a bit different than a 351 swap, that's a custom motor. not knocking it I love your car it's super sleeper, but i'm pretty sure he's not trying to bracket race this thing and run 9's.
sure mine is a custom motor, and i paid more for my crank & block than most will pay for their whole motor. but i'm going for 8.9x's so of course, i got way better than a stock block. but that don't mean i can't take my h/c/i off my motor, and make the same na power on a stock long block. i bet i make more. with 9 to 1 comp.
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Ahhh yes, the ever lasting question which has no answers. I think the best way to pose this question of 351w versus LS1 is this: if you have two good running engines, stock 351w and a stock LS1, and had 2k to spend on it, which motor woul be faster?
LS1 would piss on the Windsor. Done.
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Ahhh yes, the ever lasting question which has no answers. I think the best way to pose this question of 351w versus LS1 is this: if you have two good running engines, stock 351w and a stock LS1, and had 2k to spend on it, which motor woul be faster?
LS1 would piss on the Windsor. Done.
And piss its guts out of its ass the first time you get on it
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If ur a noob get a ls1
If ur a man build a 351w
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Saleen 00-768
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Originally posted by phildog:
Ahhh yes, the ever lasting question which has no answers. I think the best way to pose this question of 351w versus LS1 is this: if you have two good running engines, stock 351w and a stock LS1, and had 2k to spend on it, which motor woul be faster?
LS1 would piss on the Windsor. Done.
a good running 351w is cheaper than a good running ls1 to start with so u already got more money in the the ls1 before the 2k budget lol!
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2T0NE
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LS1 bruh !!!
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Can't wait till the Giants lose tomorrow night so all you Giants fans are forced to shut the fuck up.
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ok ok .... 351 w/gt40s
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Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:
Can't wait till the Giants lose tomorrow night so all you Giants fans are forced to shut the fuck up.
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ok ok .... 351 w/gt40s
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by the way a ls1 is not a 350ci. its a lil 346ci
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& how did i know warhorse was going to hate...hahaha get a LS1... or if you want real horse power get a 502ci LSX small block..
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Get 40 heads? Would be real cheap good heads lol I wonder if the t5 tranny can handle the 351
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man so many ls1 haters, to all you with negative feedback, have any of you owned, driven, or built an ls engine? they're fuckin sick, but so was my 408windsor stroker, but they definitely aren't comparable, the ls1 can be stroked, cammed to the max, and still be really driveable, the 408 or 351 on the other hand not so daily driveable, we're talking about two drastically different motors, if going straight is all you wanna do then by all means build a windsor, although the ls's aren't bad for that either, there's an 02 ss out of sac that runs in the nines with stock 346 longblock, ms3 cam, longtubes, 200 shot, and a faast intake.
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& how did i know warhorse was going to hate...hahaha get a LS1... or if you want real horse power get a 502ci LSX small block..
hate? really? more like your seem to be the one hating on the 351? bring your ls1 bruh and i'll drag it down the 1320! ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif) lol 351c 4v will shit all over a cammed ls1 with just a intake! with a motor not made since 73. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
edit: noticed all the bad ass ls1 taking my call out!
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man so many ls1 haters, to all you with negative feedback, have any of you owned, driven, or built an ls engine? they're fuckin sick, but so was my 408windsor stroker, but they definitely aren't comparable, the ls1 can be stroked, cammed to the max, and still be really driveable, the 408 or 351 on the other hand not so daily driveable, we're talking about two drastically different motors, if going straight is all you wanna do then by all means build a windsor, although the ls's aren't bad for that either, there's an 02 ss out of sac that runs in the nines with stock 346 longblock, ms3 cam, longtubes, 200 shot, and a faast intake.
then you sir are doing it wrong. my 623hp on 91 octane ran just fine on the street. 100% problem free. even drove it from stockton to sac clicked off 10.4x's @ 131. in a car with only 4:10's. why all the hate for the 351 on a ford site? maybe if you guys got off the nuts of the ls1 you might learn something.
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In reality its up to you... obviously with the 351 you get a little more displacement and you keep the car 100% ford.. upside to having a ls1 is there all aluminum (super lite compared to the 351).. and there super easy to tune and respond well to minor mods.. ls1 vs 351 in a fox i would put a ls1 hands down just because of the weight savings alone. but i plan to put my 408 on spray in my fox just because i already own a ls1 f body.. so like to keep one car all ford and one car all gm ;-)
edit - just seen you were talking about ls1 fbody vs 351w fox... would be a drivers race with a H/C/I 351 vs H/C/I ls1.. all around nice car would be the f body (trans am) cough cough lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70kBnEK9rSY
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