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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
If I may add a few comments without offending anyone…


I think we should all vote republican again, so far we have only got 7 trillion dollars in debt that will be passed on to our children and children’s children, and have gone to fight a war on terrorism in a country full of oil while the gas price have quadrupled in the past years, and needless to say no terrorist connection to 911. Has anyone really seen what happened on 911? look carefully at how the twin towers go down, it was planned by explosives. The owner of the twin towers only made 600 billion from insurance the day after 911 for signing up for insurance on airplane terrorist attacks a week before the attacks. Vote for McCain and we will get 4 or 8 more years of the same BS! With him our bad economy will slow hit us were it hurt us the most our FORDS… Obama is black and that’s why people talk about him, because the reality is the USA is still full of racist people... oh and McCain is way too old and as for Palin is an air head and is good at dodging tricky question

1994steeda

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
Mr. fr5.0
I don’t live in a cave, but anyways you are right. I don’t help out the economy If I made $250k I would be in the top10 fastest Mustangs on this site. but I think none of them would be a "good" president but now we have to choose between those "two" and I think Obama is much better then McCain. McCain doesn’t care about the economy and Obama wouldn’t know how to fix it, but he will at least try. Palin might help but McCain will only over ride her ideas, she is only in there to get Hillary’s woman voters period! But come on McCain?

1994steeda

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:
Theres no point in answering the question when it brings up stupid stuff. Now if you change the question to actual political facts instead of personal stuff i will answer the question.

Also if you picked Gavin because he supports gay marriage, that doesn't effect me. Gays should have the right to get married if they want to, it has no effect to me i am not gay and their marriage won't effect my life at all. Only religious people care about gay people getting married even though it has no effect on their religion or life at all either.

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532Fastback-I would expect these kind of responses from Fr 5.0 or Lambodork. Listen, It's not about her kids, just re-read the question and skip over the part about her kids if you have to. It's the same question. Next, don't get stuck on Gavin Newsom. It's not about Gavin Newsom or Gay marriage. The question is based on experience and experience only. Minus the policies, Gavin Newsom is a mayor of San Francisco, a major U.S. city with a population of 750,000+. Sara Palin is the Gov. of a state with a population less than the city of San Francisco.

Bottom Line Question: With the facts stated as is, do think Sara Palin, Gov. of Alaska, Republican V.P. candidate has enough experience to lead this country if some unforeseen event were to happen to Mccain?

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
Mr. fr5.0
I don’t live in a cave, but anyways you are right. I don’t help out the economy If I made $250k I would be in the top10 fastest Mustangs on this site. but I think none of them would be a "good" president but now we have to choose between those "two" and I think Obama is much better then McCain. McCain doesn’t care about the economy and Obama wouldn’t know how to fix it, but he will at least try. Palin might help but McCain will only over ride her ideas, she is only in there to get Hillary’s woman voters period! But come on McCain?

1994steeda

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Originally posted by JohnB:
I checked two facts in the article...

1. Obama's extensive Foreign relations experienece....

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2. Total number of years in public service (Obama's)...

#1...He served on the committee starting in January 2007...and announced his run for the prez Feb 10th...wow, 40ish days. That's alot. He did travel to 17 countries...in 4 different trips. Think of how many countries you'd travel to if you flew to the continent of Africa. Yup, 3-5 at least. How many oversight meetings did he hold to speak on their current work and topics? None. Not a single one. Too busy runnin' for Prez...
#2...took office Jan 1997. Now, I know I grew up in Florida and we had that lil issue in 2000 with counting ballots, but 1997 to date does not make 12 years.

Didn't want to be bias and just disprove Obama facts, so I checked up on Fred Thompson's eight "lackluster" years as a Senator. Yup, eight years as a Senator...and has been actively involved in Politics (ie Washington) since 1973...starting with the Watergate scandal. I guess he did something other than "just be a senator" like Biden....for 35+ years.

I got bored with the rest.

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I did read up on some of the facts as well. And I came up with 11 years and some change in the Senate seat at some capacity. Maybe they rounded up... Now his foreign policy experience is up for debate. But I do agree with most that growing up in Indonesia and having family abroad (Nigeria among other places) and his travels to 17 countries gives him "a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans." I do agree you cannot measure that. But what foreign policy experience did bush have? I think it is safe to assume that you guys voted for him as well. But I digress. John you still did not disprove the meat of the article. His experience is not as subpar as most would think. And in comparison to the likes of Ronald Reagan and a few other mentionable names it is in some ways superior. I Like this quote and sentiment from Obama; "The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," and I think it is very true. Anyway, like I said not trying to change anyone's view. I just thought it was interesting and a good read. And I am glad it provoked someone to look into it.

Roy
I think I see where you are going. But I still dont have a answer because I am not sure how to answer it. I am not well versed in the differences of Local/City government and state government. I would say Palin would trump Gavin if I had to answer right now.

For the folks that say Obama has accomplished nothing. I would say read up a bit. Don't necessarily just listen to propaganda. Now if you said he didn't do anything that "you feel" is of value. Then that's a different story. Because it is opinion.

FR
I am not sure why everything you say has to have a air of disrespect to it. Just chat civilly and I think you will drive your message home better. Don't bash someone views because they are opposite yours. Oh and I can think of at least one VP with more experience than Palin. Biden

I am all for the best person for the job. If McCain pops off with something that makes me say hmmmm. He may get my vote. But I am just feeling it is more of the same from him. And after watching the John Stewart show last night. I hadn't realized how much smoke McCain blew. And how out of his zone he is.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
I checked two facts in the article...

1. Obama's extensive Foreign relations experienece....

and..

2. Total number of years in public service (Obama's)...

#1...He served on the committee starting in January 2007...and announced his run for the prez Feb 10th...wow, 40ish days. That's alot. He did travel to 17 countries...in 4 different trips. Think of how many countries you'd travel to if you flew to the continent of Africa. Yup, 3-5 at least. How many oversight meetings did he hold to speak on their current work and topics? None. Not a single one. Too busy runnin' for Prez...
#2...took office Jan 1997. Now, I know I grew up in Florida and we had that lil issue in 2000 with counting ballots, but 1997 to date does not make 12 years.

Didn't want to be bias and just disprove Obama facts, so I checked up on Fred Thompson's eight "lackluster" years as a Senator. Yup, eight years as a Senator...and has been actively involved in Politics (ie Washington) since 1973...starting with the Watergate scandal. I guess he did something other than "just be a senator" like Biden....for 35+ years.

I got bored with the rest.

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John
I did read up on some of the facts as well. And I came up with 11 years and some change in the Senate seat at some capacity. Maybe they rounded up... Now his foreign policy experience is up for debate. But I do agree with most that growing up in Indonesia and having family abroad (Nigeria among other places) and his travels to 17 countries gives him "a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans." I do agree you cannot measure that. But what foreign policy experience did bush have? I think it is safe to assume that you guys voted for him as well. But I digress. John you still did not disprove the meat of the article. His experience is not as subpar as most would think. And in comparison to the likes of Ronald Reagan and a few other mentionable names it is in some ways superior. I Like this quote and sentiment from Obama; "The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," and I think it is very true. Anyway, like I said not trying to change anyone's view. I just thought it was interesting and a good read. And I am glad it provoked someone to look into it.

Roy
I think I see where you are going. But I still dont have a answer because I am not sure how to answer it. I am not well versed in the differences of Local/City government and state government. I would say Palin would trump Gavin if I had to answer right now.

For the folks that say Obama has accomplished nothing. I would say read up a bit. Don't necessarily just listen to propaganda. Now if you said he didn't do anything that "you feel" is of value. Then that's a different story. Because it is opinion.

FR
I am not sure why everything you say has to have a air of disrespect to it. Just chat civilly and I think you will drive your message home better. Don't bash someone views because they are opposite yours. Oh and I can think of at least one VP with more experience than Palin. Biden

I am all for the best person for the job. If McCain pops off with something that makes me say hmmmm. He may get my vote. But I am just feeling it is more of the same from him. And after watching the John Stewart show last night. I hadn't realized how much smoke McCain blew. And how out of his zone he is.

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Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., a black Kenyan of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a White American from Wichita, Kansas.[2] His parents met while attending the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was a foreign student.[3] They separated when he was two years old and later divorced.[4] Obama's father returned to Kenya and saw his son only once more before dying in an automobile accident in 1982.[5] After her divorce, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979.[6] Obama's mother returned to Hawaii in 1972 for several years and then back to Indonesia for her fieldwork. She died of ovarian cancer in 1995.[7] As an adult Obama admitted that during high school he used marijuana, cocaine, and alcohol, which he described at the 2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency as his greatest moral failure.[8][9]

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Originally posted by N8:
Grew up was maybe a bad term to use...but here is a bit.

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Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., a black Kenyan of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, a White American from Wichita, Kansas.[2] His parents met while attending the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was a foreign student.[3] They separated when he was two years old and later divorced.[4] Obama's father returned to Kenya and saw his son only once more before dying in an automobile accident in 1982.[5] After her divorce, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979.[6] Obama's mother returned to Hawaii in 1972 for several years and then back to Indonesia for her fieldwork. She died of ovarian cancer in 1995.[7] As an adult Obama admitted that during high school he used marijuana, cocaine, and alcohol, which he described at the 2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency as his greatest moral failure.[8][9]

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Originally posted by N8:
I agree. I did say "grew up" was a bad term to use. But what's funny, is that stint in Indonesia is what spawned all the "he followed the Islamic religion" criticism. SO if it is something negative its "Oh hey he grew up in Indonesia a predominantly Islamic" country. But when it is less dramatic or can discredit something "he grew up in Hawaii". Not saying you did that. But that is what happened in the media basically.

I noticed you changed your initial comment.

Half the people that are feverishly bashing Obama, didn't even know he was a US citizen. Which I found funny.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
I checked two facts in the article...

1. Obama's extensive Foreign relations experienece....

and..

2. Total number of years in public service (Obama's)...

#1...He served on the committee starting in January 2007...and announced his run for the prez Feb 10th...wow, 40ish days. That's alot. He did travel to 17 countries...in 4 different trips. Think of how many countries you'd travel to if you flew to the continent of Africa. Yup, 3-5 at least. How many oversight meetings did he hold to speak on their current work and topics? None. Not a single one. Too busy runnin' for Prez...
#2...took office Jan 1997. Now, I know I grew up in Florida and we had that lil issue in 2000 with counting ballots, but 1997 to date does not make 12 years.

Didn't want to be bias and just disprove Obama facts, so I checked up on Fred Thompson's eight "lackluster" years as a Senator. Yup, eight years as a Senator...and has been actively involved in Politics (ie Washington) since 1973...starting with the Watergate scandal. I guess he did something other than "just be a senator" like Biden....for 35+ years.

I got bored with the rest.

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John
I did read up on some of the facts as well. And I came up with 11 years and some change in the Senate seat at some capacity. Maybe they rounded up... Now his foreign policy experience is up for debate. But I do agree with most that growing up in Indonesia and having family abroad (Nigeria among other places) and his travels to 17 countries gives him "a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans." I do agree you cannot measure that. But what foreign policy experience did bush have? I think it is safe to assume that you guys voted for him as well. But I digress. John you still did not disprove the meat of the article. His experience is not as subpar as most would think. And in comparison to the likes of Ronald Reagan and a few other mentionable names it is in some ways superior. I Like this quote and sentiment from Obama; "The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," and I think it is very true. Anyway, like I said not trying to change anyone's view. I just thought it was interesting and a good read. And I am glad it provoked someone to look into it.

Roy
I think I see where you are going. But I still dont have a answer because I am not sure how to answer it. I am not well versed in the differences of Local/City government and state government. I would say Palin would trump Gavin if I had to answer right now.

For the folks that say Obama has accomplished nothing. I would say read up a bit. Don't necessarily just listen to propaganda. Now if you said he didn't do anything that "you feel" is of value. Then that's a different story. Because it is opinion.

FR
I am not sure why everything you say has to have a air of disrespect to it. Just chat civilly and I think you will drive your message home better. Don't bash someone views because they are opposite yours. Oh and I can think of at least one VP with more experience than Palin. Biden

I am all for the best person for the job. If McCain pops off with something that makes me say hmmmm. He may get my vote. But I am just feeling it is more of the same from him. And after watching the John Stewart show last night. I hadn't realized how much smoke McCain blew. And how out of his zone he is.

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
"some one says something that is so far off the charts you wonder where they have been for the last year"

I’m guessing that someone was I? 911 has not gone away my good friend. Like I said that is what I think, you may not agree with it but you did bash me. I didn’t bash you, I don’t know you but I do respect your opinion. That’s what politics are about, getting your word out. I’m in school trying to make ends meet, paying for books and school because of some stupid law Mr. Terminator passed. I can’t qualify for anything to help pay my school. (Because I make to much $$ as a part-time preschool teacher LOL) McCain didn’t talk about schooling at all, its not part of his “to do list”, while Palin did, but her job is only to get voters for McCain. Regardless of who we like or dislike, California will not vote republican that’s a Fact. Its up to the other states.

1994steeda

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
"some one says something that is so far off the charts you wonder where they have been for the last year"

I’m guessing that someone was I? 911 has not gone away my good friend. Like I said that is what I think, you may not agree with it but you did bash me. I didn’t bash you, I don’t know you but I do respect your opinion. That’s what politics are about, getting your word out. I’m in school trying to make ends meet, paying for books and school because of some stupid law Mr. Terminator passed. I can’t qualify for anything to help pay my school. (Because I make to much $$ as a part-time preschool teacher LOL) McCain didn’t talk about schooling at all, its not part of his “to do list”, while Palin did, but her job is only to get voters for McCain. Regardless of who we like or dislike, California will not vote republican that’s a Fact. Its up to the other states.

1994steeda

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1994steeda, like i said im sorry if you feel i bashed you, i dont feel i did but i belive there is no room in politics for weaknes. I didnt say you were weak just saying that most people get butt hurt in these kind of arguments, but like i said in another thread "after the politics where all still buddys". Political arguments shouldnt lead to violence its just an argument of personal prefrence, sure I get a little irritated because I dont think others get it but thats a two sided street. Basically dont take it to heart its not personal.

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
"some one says something that is so far off the charts you wonder where they have been for the last year"

I’m guessing that someone was I? 911 has not gone away my good friend. Like I said that is what I think, you may not agree with it but you did bash me. I didn’t bash you, I don’t know you but I do respect your opinion. That’s what politics are about, getting your word out. I’m in school trying to make ends meet, paying for books and school because of some stupid law Mr. Terminator passed. I can’t qualify for anything to help pay my school. (Because I make to much $$ as a part-time preschool teacher LOL) McCain didn’t talk about schooling at all, its not part of his “to do list”, while Palin did, but her job is only to get voters for McCain. Regardless of who we like or dislike, California will not vote republican that’s a Fact. Its up to the other states.

1994steeda

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1994steeda, like i said im sorry if you feel i bashed you, i dont feel i did but i belive there is no room in politics for weaknes. I didnt say you were weak just saying that most people get butt hurt in these kind of arguments, but like i said in another thread "after the politics where all still buddys". Political arguments shouldnt lead to violence its just an argument of personal prefrence, sure I get a little irritated because I dont think others get it but thats a two sided street. Basically dont take it to heart its not personal.

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aaaaaawwwwwww......that was sweet

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
"some one says something that is so far off the charts you wonder where they have been for the last year"

I’m guessing that someone was I? 911 has not gone away my good friend. Like I said that is what I think, you may not agree with it but you did bash me. I didn’t bash you, I don’t know you but I do respect your opinion. That’s what politics are about, getting your word out. I’m in school trying to make ends meet, paying for books and school because of some stupid law Mr. Terminator passed. I can’t qualify for anything to help pay my school. (Because I make to much $$ as a part-time preschool teacher LOL) McCain didn’t talk about schooling at all, its not part of his “to do list”, while Palin did, but her job is only to get voters for McCain. Regardless of who we like or dislike, California will not vote republican that’s a Fact. Its up to the other states.

1994steeda

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1994steeda, like i said im sorry if you feel i bashed you, i dont feel i did but i belive there is no room in politics for weaknes. I didnt say you were weak just saying that most people get butt hurt in these kind of arguments, but like i said in another thread "after the politics where all still buddys". Political arguments shouldnt lead to violence its just an argument of personal prefrence, sure I get a little irritated because I dont think others get it but thats a two sided street. Basically dont take it to heart its not personal.

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aaaaaawwwwwww......that was sweet

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oops i was replying to a wrong thread

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