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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
Luke, you're definitely one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I am the fastest in Southern California, no doubt about it.

Drew, how fast did you go with the stock 94 GT motor ???

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Some of my very first mods would have already bumped me from this category of setups

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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ

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Originally posted by yipnip5.0:
"no weight reduction" except for skinnies up front?
"stock from pan to TB" except for:

- electric fan
- headers
- Under-drive water pump and crank pullies
- Moroso CAI
- C&L 76mm MAF
- NO BELT!?! WTF, like that is stock?



I wonder how many of these "is anyone faster than me with my [fill in the blank plus stock lugnuts] criteria" threads get posted each year?


Nice times dude, but Ed McMahon says he ain't ready to give you any prizes.

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Seems like a pretty simple concept to me. DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON/IN THE MOTOR, just change things "around" the motor. People have been talking about setups like this for years trying to get into the 12's.

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Yip, I understand your logic, and Drew thank you for explaining. What this stems from is that when it comes to motor build-ups, someone will always be faster than you. By racing stock motors, as they came from the factory, you set a common baseline and everyone has the same starting point to chase the goal. The idea is to maximize the motor that you already have. This concept has existed for many years. I did not just invent it, lol. It allows people all over the country to compare apples to apples when it comes to their 5-liter.

This has been a concept that has been alive since 1987 when Neil Van Oppre propelled an '87 LX hatch into the 12.99 range mostly stock. He had a few mods "around" the motor like Drew described, but for years people ruled it out because he had aftermarket roller rockers. Then, if I am not mistaken, Ed Hohengerg did it in 88 in his 87lx coupe. This guy used a very steep gear and 28 inch slicks, again with boltons, going wheels up to dip into the 12's. Here is a pic:



In '89, Bob Cosby (who is the one responsible for making stock motored 12.99's mainstream due to his continuous magazine exposure where rags were impressed with his times with no aftermarket heads/intake/cam/rr) dipped into the 12's.

Since then its been reproduced by a number of people all over the country who have posted results all over the popular sites such as corral.net, stangnet.com, mustangworks.com, etc.

Although there is some ambiguity as to what exactly is acceptable, both "stockmotorhero" and I have read a lot about this concept in the past few months. If you are interested, there is a wealth of info on this topic if you do a search on the corral where guys attempted to quantify it all. Nobody will ever completely agree as to what is acceptable and what isn't, but that's normal.

And Yip, thank you for pointing out the ambiguity in all of this, because you are absolutely right, but some baseline needs to be defined... otherwise what are all the stock motored guys chasing? I fully recognize how silly this concept seems for someone without the background in it

So in conclusion, Drew hit the nail on the head. Thanks Drew

[ April 05, 2006, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]

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Chris is running SD?

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Chris is running SD?

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Seems like a pretty simple concept to me. DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON/IN THE MOTOR, just change things "around" the motor. People have been talking about setups like this for years trying to get into the 12's. [/QB]

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
BTW--I'm sure Jim Langley and Drew are well aware of the driving technique required to run the number here, but for others ... it takes a "take no prisoners" approach to the car. If you're scared of breaking it, you likely won't run the number. Here is an in-car video of one of my passes for reference (and believe me Luke drives his car just as hard):

In-Car

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Thats exactly right. In order to even consider 12.999 with a stock motor, the thing needs to be driven like a rental that is no longer in service.

Look at me, I launched off the limiter, 60fts were 1.70's, I powershifted every gear, and still fell a tenth short.

It was definitely a blast however!

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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booooo

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
When I started this project, I gave myself an set amount of time, money, and effort to put into this. My willingness to invest more of those three resources has simply run out.

I put it all on the line on Saturday, no compromises. I had a respectable showing but fell a little short. I'm content.

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Originally posted by modular:
WHAT!!!!!!!! Dont quit!!! Joo can do it! 410's? Try 410's gear it some more. Im assuming your motor isnt a rebuild? A little power may be lost there, no excuses though. Atleast try until something brakes! Ice it? You WILL GAIN FROM ICING!!! Its cheesy at the strip BUT IT WORKS! ICE IT! Youre 1 tenth away.

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Originally posted by StockMotorHero:
LUKE!!!

What are you going to do differently next time out?

You are a full tenth away after exhausting all your mods.

Weld rears, longtubes, dyno tune, weight removal??? What's in the cards?

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Weight Removal is ok now? nice consistency in the "rules" lol.