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So far everything I read is reporting McCain basically lost the debate because he didn't uproot or shake Obama or his ideals. I figured this one was a draw. I just wish they would both really answer the questions. Sometimes they dance around it. I didn't like Obama's response to the use of force when national security is not at stake. McCain nailed that one.

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I agree that MC didn't shake up Obama too, but I don't think he is easily shaken during these types of debates (town hall). My wife agree's with you Nate on Obama's national security response. I missed that part as kids were throwing crayons at each other last night, but I kind of fear what Obama would not do if we were yet again attacked by terrorist groups in the US. Do you really think he has the backbone to fight for the US or just try and talk his way out of shit until his term is up. I also dont' want MC to be a war happy fuck like Bush is. I'm still in the air on who to go with

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So far everything I read is reporting McCain basically lost the debate because he didn't uproot or shake Obama or his ideals. I figured this one was a draw. I just wish they would both really answer the questions. Sometimes they dance around it. I didn't like Obama's response to the use of force when national security is not at stake. McCain nailed that one.

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I agree that MC didn't shake up Obama too, but I don't think he is easily shaken during these types of debates (town hall). My wife agree's with you Nate on Obama's national security response. I missed that part as kids were throwing crayons at each other last night, but I kind of fear what Obama would not do if we were yet again attacked by terrorist groups in the US. Do you really think he has the backbone to fight for the US or just try and talk his way out of shit until his term is up. I also dont' want MC to be a war happy fuck like Bush is. I'm still in the air on who to go with

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Originally posted by N8:
So far everything I read is reporting McCain basically lost the debate because he didn't uproot or shake Obama or his ideals. I figured this one was a draw. I just wish they would both really answer the questions. Sometimes they dance around it. I didn't like Obama's response to the use of force when national security is not at stake. McCain nailed that one.

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I agree that MC didn't shake up Obama too, but I don't think he is easily shaken during these types of debates (town hall). My wife agree's with you Nate on Obama's national security response. I missed that part as kids were throwing crayons at each other last night, but I kind of fear what Obama would not do if we were yet again attacked by terrorist groups in the US. Do you really think he has the backbone to fight for the US or just try and talk his way out of shit until his term is up. I also dont' want MC to be a war happy fuck like Bush is. I'm still in the air on who to go with

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I think he can, because if you check out his stance. It is not so much the war itself. But how it got diluted and mis-directed. MC, just seems to a chip off of Bush's old block. I think if somehow MC can shake the link to Bush he may fair better. I think he will be too quick to George Bush that button. But I do see where you are coming from on Obama trying to talk us out of stuff. But you have to admit, he is a very good speaker. Which is another reason I like him. He is very authoritative and articulate and a very good listener. Although I am for the most part still going Obama to this moment. I am still holding out for MC to say something that can move me.

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I don't think Mccain is a "loose canon" when it comes to sending our troops out like bush has been. He knows firsthand the brutalities of war. I don't think he would send out our troops unless it was absolutely necessary.

and frankly, i dont think obama has the balls to even send out troops


i can't imagine what would happen if he were president during another serious terrorist attack

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This one, McCain took stance, although i'm still not convince with McCains "resolutions", his speeches are more of robobtic and it reflects back to Bush's speech with all the same old ideas with the old century. The whole speech with "creating jobs! Fixing our economy! Restore America" sounds like [BS flag]

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He mentions "Walk and talk softly BUT carry a big stick" which again, i disagree, how are you going to walk and talk softly when you are already focusing on Iran and North Korea? I can only imagine what will happen to America if he takes chair and takes on Iran. What will happen to Afghanistan? Iraq? Are we just going to dump Iraq just like how we did Afghanistan and move over to another country when we didnt even finish Afganistan?

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This one, McCain took stance, although i'm still not convince with McCains "resolutions", his speeches are more of robobtic and it reflects back to Bush's speech with all the same old ideas with the old century. The whole speech with "creating jobs! Fixing our economy! Restore America" sounds like [BS flag]

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And you think obama's tax hike for the millions of small businesses around the country will help create jobs??? i dont think so. best way to create jobs is to cut taxes across the board, not raise them as obama is planning on doing.

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He mentions "Walk and talk softly BUT carry a big stick" which again, i disagree, how are you going to walk and talk softly when you are already focusing on Iran and North Korea? I can only imagine what will happen to America if he takes chair and takes on Iran. What will happen to Afghanistan? Iraq? Are we just going to dump Iraq just like how we did Afghanistan and move over to another country when we didnt even finish Afganistan?

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I believe it is Obama who wants to just "dump" iraq and move back into Afghanistan. I do agree we need to finish afghanistan but we also need to finish what we started in iraq. and the next president, who ever gets elected will HAVE to deal with Iran. it's inevitable. north korea and possibly russia will also have to be delt with.

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Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
alstock i know you didnt write that... you didnt write mclame or talk about someones mom. dont try to fool us.

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Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
alstock i know you didnt write that... you didnt write mclame or talk about someones mom. dont try to fool us.

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This one, McCain took stance, although i'm still not convince with McCains "resolutions", his speeches are more of robobtic and it reflects back to Bush's speech with all the same old ideas with the old century. The whole speech with "creating jobs! Fixing our economy! Restore America" sounds like [BS flag]

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And you think obama's tax hike for the millions of small businesses around the country will help create jobs??? i dont think so. best way to create jobs is to cut taxes across the board, not raise them as obama is planning on doing.

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He mentions "Walk and talk softly BUT carry a big stick" which again, i disagree, how are you going to walk and talk softly when you are already focusing on Iran and North Korea? I can only imagine what will happen to America if he takes chair and takes on Iran. What will happen to Afghanistan? Iraq? Are we just going to dump Iraq just like how we did Afghanistan and move over to another country when we didnt even finish Afganistan?

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I believe it is Obama who wants to just "dump" iraq and move back into Afghanistan. I do agree we need to finish afghanistan but we also need to finish what we started in iraq. and the next president, who ever gets elected will HAVE to deal with Iran. it's inevitable. north korea and possibly russia will also have to be delt with.

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I agree on you on the taxes but he is planning to raise it on the 250K+ folks. I know it will affect even the poor ones but taxes to me was always a SCAM, we shouldnt be paying taxes in the first place (yes, it supports the prisons, health care, national defense, services for low income folks) yet billions of OUR money on the war. Should we pay taxes? YET no president did anything for us for Taxes (correct me if im wrong) Thats just what i think on the taxes side.

As for the War on Terrorism, i believe we should finish what we started, we started Afghanistan, we shouldve finished it before moving on.

Its started in Iraq now, but what can we do? Support our troops at best but families are in pain of hundreds of troops that have died and they are fighting for something thats not even relevant to what the war was about.

I doubt Obama will just dump Iraq and move back, he has to finish what we started, but if you look back, ever since 2003, we havent finished ANYTHING, (Iraqis living freely? Aghanis living in freedom? NOPE) just saddam gone and maybe killed Taliban leaders but they are still out there and even stronger in Afghanistan. If we dont finish Iraq and come home, we're gonna leave Iraq on standby just like Afghanistan and we will have 10 more Saddams and then it will be a definet danger to everyone in the world.


Overall, we can only go by their words, which in the back of my mind, i believe little may change of whoever takes seat, all these debates/speeches are more of sales speeches just to gain everyones trust so they can take chair.

Just my .02

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This one, McCain took stance, although i'm still not convince with McCains "resolutions", his speeches are more of robobtic and it reflects back to Bush's speech with all the same old ideas with the old century. The whole speech with "creating jobs! Fixing our economy! Restore America" sounds like [BS flag]

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And you think obama's tax hike for the millions of small businesses around the country will help create jobs??? i dont think so. best way to create jobs is to cut taxes across the board, not raise them as obama is planning on doing.

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He mentions "Walk and talk softly BUT carry a big stick" which again, i disagree, how are you going to walk and talk softly when you are already focusing on Iran and North Korea? I can only imagine what will happen to America if he takes chair and takes on Iran. What will happen to Afghanistan? Iraq? Are we just going to dump Iraq just like how we did Afghanistan and move over to another country when we didnt even finish Afganistan?

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I believe it is Obama who wants to just "dump" iraq and move back into Afghanistan. I do agree we need to finish afghanistan but we also need to finish what we started in iraq. and the next president, who ever gets elected will HAVE to deal with Iran. it's inevitable. north korea and possibly russia will also have to be delt with.

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I agree on you on the taxes but he is planning to raise it on the 250K+ folks. I know it will affect even the poor ones but taxes to me was always a SCAM, we shouldnt be paying taxes in the first place (yes, it supports the prisons, health care, national defense, services for low income folks) yet billions of OUR money on the war. Should we pay taxes? YET no president did anything for us for Taxes (correct me if im wrong) Thats just what i think on the taxes side.

As for the War on Terrorism, i believe we should finish what we started, we started Afghanistan, we shouldve finished it before moving on.

Its started in Iraq now, but what can we do? Support our troops at best but families are in pain of hundreds of troops that have died and they are fighting for something thats not even relevant to what the war was about.

I doubt Obama will just dump Iraq and move back, he has to finish what we started, but if you look back, ever since 2003, we havent finished ANYTHING, (Iraqis living freely? Aghanis living in freedom? NOPE) just saddam gone and maybe killed Taliban leaders but they are still out there and even stronger in Afghanistan. If we dont finish Iraq and come home, we're gonna leave Iraq on standby just like Afghanistan and we will have 10 more Saddams and then it will be a definet danger to everyone in the world.


Overall, we can only go by their words, which in the back of my mind, i believe little may change of whoever takes seat, all these debates/speeches are more of sales speeches just to gain everyones trust so they can take chair.

Just my .02

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Sounds like you should be supporting alan keyes by the way you speak about taxes, he wants to abolish the income tax all together! I agree with a lot of what he says but he'd never get elected.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Alan_Keyes_Tax_Reform.htm

It was obama's plan to get out of iraq within the next 16 months. he even said it himself in the first debate! he said that all our troops must be out of there no matter what! I call that "dumping iraq and moving on" and it's not the right way to go about it.

I agree with you that Bush has not done a good job at allocating our troops in the right places and we should have continued to focus on afghanistan instead of moving into iraq. but whats done is done, the next president is going to have to clean up the mess. I think there is nobody more qualified militarily than mccain. what has obama ever done involving our military?

And finally, you know the saying "you can tell a lot about a person by the friends they keep" well from the looks of obamas friends, including two radical preachers, the former CEO of fannie mae (who is one of his ECONOMIC ADVISORS!) AND a unrepentant terrorist (William ayers), i don't think he should be anywhere near the white house.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:

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This one, McCain took stance, although i'm still not convince with McCains "resolutions", his speeches are more of robobtic and it reflects back to Bush's speech with all the same old ideas with the old century. The whole speech with "creating jobs! Fixing our economy! Restore America" sounds like [BS flag]

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And you think obama's tax hike for the millions of small businesses around the country will help create jobs??? i dont think so. best way to create jobs is to cut taxes across the board, not raise them as obama is planning on doing.

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He mentions "Walk and talk softly BUT carry a big stick" which again, i disagree, how are you going to walk and talk softly when you are already focusing on Iran and North Korea? I can only imagine what will happen to America if he takes chair and takes on Iran. What will happen to Afghanistan? Iraq? Are we just going to dump Iraq just like how we did Afghanistan and move over to another country when we didnt even finish Afganistan?

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I believe it is Obama who wants to just "dump" iraq and move back into Afghanistan. I do agree we need to finish afghanistan but we also need to finish what we started in iraq. and the next president, who ever gets elected will HAVE to deal with Iran. it's inevitable. north korea and possibly russia will also have to be delt with.

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I agree on you on the taxes but he is planning to raise it on the 250K+ folks. I know it will affect even the poor ones but taxes to me was always a SCAM, we shouldnt be paying taxes in the first place (yes, it supports the prisons, health care, national defense, services for low income folks) yet billions of OUR money on the war. Should we pay taxes? YET no president did anything for us for Taxes (correct me if im wrong) Thats just what i think on the taxes side.

As for the War on Terrorism, i believe we should finish what we started, we started Afghanistan, we shouldve finished it before moving on.

Its started in Iraq now, but what can we do? Support our troops at best but families are in pain of hundreds of troops that have died and they are fighting for something thats not even relevant to what the war was about.

I doubt Obama will just dump Iraq and move back, he has to finish what we started, but if you look back, ever since 2003, we havent finished ANYTHING, (Iraqis living freely? Aghanis living in freedom? NOPE) just saddam gone and maybe killed Taliban leaders but they are still out there and even stronger in Afghanistan. If we dont finish Iraq and come home, we're gonna leave Iraq on standby just like Afghanistan and we will have 10 more Saddams and then it will be a definet danger to everyone in the world.


Overall, we can only go by their words, which in the back of my mind, i believe little may change of whoever takes seat, all these debates/speeches are more of sales speeches just to gain everyones trust so they can take chair.

Just my .02

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Sounds like you should be supporting alan keyes by the way you speak about taxes, he wants to abolish the income tax all together! I agree with a lot of what he says but he'd never get elected.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Alan_Keyes_Tax_Reform.htm

It was obama's plan to get out of iraq within the next 16 months. he even said it himself in the first debate! he said that all our troops must be out of there no matter what! I call that "dumping iraq and moving on" and it's not the right way to go about it.

I agree with you that Bush has not done a good job at allocating our troops in the right places and we should have continued to focus on afghanistan instead of moving into iraq. but whats done is done, the next president is going to have to clean up the mess. I think there is nobody more qualified militarily than mccain. what has obama ever done involving our military?

And finally, you know the saying "you can tell a lot about a person by the friends they keep" well from the looks of obamas friends, including two radical preachers, the former CEO of fannie mae (who is one of his ECONOMIC ADVISORS!) AND a unrepentant terrorist (William ayers), i don't think he should be anywhere near the white house.

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Understandable,

I just don't think we need another ex-war veteren or ex military (National Guard) mentality in the White House that will be focused more on War then anything.

I believe Obama may change a few things around, i say this because of our current presidency, hence Hurrican Katrina, slow responses of Bush or administration to aid the victims. Hence our current economy, it went downhill due to most attention on the War.

I said we bring in someone who has a little more of hands on with our current lifestyle, someone who lived on the streets to understand poverty and who actually worked with people all over and helped them with jobs and better lifestyle.

I can go on, but i just dont think we should be all about the war in the next 4 more years to come, i have a feeling with McCain, this will continue and we will be at more major wars while our country goes into Great Depression II.

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Ive never met a person that grew up in the hood and went to an ivy league school, not saying he didnt its just a little hard to belive. Kinda like most rappers say thay grew up in the projects and didnt.
On taxs, you should ask your self one thing, do you help the economy more than someone that makes 250k+?
On war, I feel the same way the Oboma voters feel, but when the time comes theres no time to talk. Whats Oboma going to do theres not going to be any talking with Iran at all!!
ALSTOCK, you say "I said we bring in someone who has a little more of hands on with our current lifestyle, someone who lived on the streets to understand poverty and who actually worked with people all over and helped them with jobs and better lifestyle." that sounds like palin to me lol.

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Understandable,

I just don't think we need another ex-war veteren or ex military (National Guard) mentality in the White House that will be focused more on War then anything.

I believe Obama may change a few things around, i say this because of our current presidency, hence Hurrican Katrina, slow responses of Bush or administration to aid the victims. Hence our current economy, it went downhill due to most attention on the War.

I said we bring in someone who has a little more of hands on with our current lifestyle, someone who lived on the streets to understand poverty and who actually worked with people all over and helped them with jobs and better lifestyle.

I can go on, but i just dont think we should be all about the war in the next 4 more years to come, i have a feeling with McCain, this will continue and we will be at more major wars while our country goes into Great Depression II.

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On taxs, you should ask your self one thing, do you help the economy more than someone that makes 250k+?

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ALSTOCK, you say "I said we bring in someone who has a little more of hands on with our current lifestyle, someone who lived on the streets to understand poverty and who actually worked with people all over and helped them with jobs and better lifestyle." that sounds like palin to me lol.

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haha, thats what i was thinking... didn't barack grow up in hawaii? i didn't think there was a "hood" there

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Originally posted by Dave50:
This is no fun... Im never gonna get my point across without name calling. Well anyhow you guys keep on campaigning. Ive have been put on restriction because I got the kitchen to hot for some of the cooks.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
no matter whos the prez if iran builds a nuke and bombs israel we will bomb iran then russia, china, and iran will all bomb the us .......game over!!!!!!!!!!!WW3 end of the world

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