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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Greasy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by phil a: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Greasy: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rgtrahn: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Greasy: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rgtrahn: [qb] Off topic a bit, but here is anther perspective. There are 1,000's of ways to lawfully stop a vehicle...My favorite reasons to stop a car is when the license plate light bulb is out, the ball hitch obstructs the license plate, no front license plate [/qb][/QUOTE]Typical cop :rolleyes: Please explain to me the importance of a front license plate? [QUOTE]Originally posted by rgtrahn: [qb] I'm more interested in criminally profiling vehicles, stopping a car for something like a ball hitch [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm glad you're keeping the streets safe from people driving around with a hitch on their vehicle :rolleyes: [QUOTE]Originally posted by rgtrahn: [qb] It's amazing how an officer can talk their way into a vehicle. [/qb][/QUOTE]You mean bully their way into a citizens vehicle? :rolleyes: [/qb][/QUOTE]Here is the thing, if you aren't breaking any laws, then you have nothing to worry about. If you are pulled for a simple vehicle code violation, such as those mentioned above and you are Joe Citizen, you're unlikely to receive a ticket. For me, I could careless about not having a front license plate or a ball hitch blocking the license plate, but the vehicle code is the vehicle code. Your license plate has to be legible so that it can be seen. Furthermore, case law and the courts have upheld investigative traffic stop based solely on a ball hitch obstructing the view of the license plate as good PC to stop a vehicle. There is nothing illegal about it. In fact, if/ when I make a stop on a vehicle for a simple violation like the ball hitch, before I do anything, I try to help the person avoid being inconvenienced again at a later time. I always give tips to avoid being pulled over in the future for the same violation. For instance, you can take the ball hitch, turn it upside down and then it is still there when you need to use it, but no longer obstructing the view of the plate. Let's think about it for a moment. Unless, someone tells you, how are you going to know you have a license plate lamp out or brake light out? A lot of time, a vehicle stop for a violation like a light being out is more of a service provided and less about writing tickets. As I said, many of my stops do not result in tickets and are more of investigative stops. At my agency and more specific to my particular beat, I have a lot of time to be proactive. Coming from a family of recovering addicts, I love to hunt illegal drugs. You asked how a hitch or license plate is a public safety concern... In the small picture, it's really nothing. However, it is a tool that can be very useful. And when used appropriately, that tool has led me to many arrest for warrants, drugs, guns and people who should not be driving due to being under the influence of alcohol/ drugs or both. To me there is no better stop than that mentioned above and using the skills I have acquired. [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm a law abiding citizen, I've never been arrested, and when pulled over, most of the time I feel that I'm beening treated unfairly. I treat every officer with the utmost respect, never get a smart ass attitude, and they still want to treat me like a criminal. Yeah I don't have a front plate on my Mustang because I don't want to add holes and I don't like the way they look. On my pickup I have the front plate, it's stock height and I've been pulled over for no mud flaps, it didn't come from the factory with mud flaps. It was the only time I have been pulled over for that and I've had the pickup for 3 years, plus I drive it all over Texas with California plates and never get pulled over. Maybe it's because I grew up in a small town and the PD had nothing better to do but mess with me and my other friends that had Mustangs. Been pulled out of a car, put in handcuffs and searched, the officer wouldn't tell me why he was searching me, he just did it. Most of the time I feel that they're trying to violate my rights, get into my vehicle and search my person, for what they feel is "probable cause". [QUOTE]Originally posted by cemelevu: [qb] I agree with you there. Its the small stuff that leads to the bigger picture on a whole. When I got stopped for not having a front plate on my car, the officer asked if the car was stolen, a bit odd at first, but I can see where he was coming from. Looking for how I would respond I am sure to which would lead into a search of my car. [/qb][/QUOTE]What percentage of Corvettes do you see with no front plate? 99.99%? Yes I understand that it's a law but its a useless law. [/qb][/QUOTE]I guess it comes with age I used to play the "it's not fair" game with myself, but then you grow up and realize that you've gotta answer to yourself when it really comes down to it. Front plate? Yea, it may be weak in our eyes, but if the law says it must be there, don't feel sorry for yourself and hate the cops when they pull you over for it - you knew the law, and you chose to not abide by it. That said, have I gotten pulled for front plate? Multiple times. The only thing that's changed is that I no longer blame the cops for it - I blame myself. If you dot your "I's" and cross your "T's" you have nothing to worry about. Everyone saying, "I wasn't doin nothin, I was just slappin some beat" - well guess what, you were doing something wrong according to the VC, so deal with the consequences. Simple as that. I think everyone cuts corners in their own way, it's just owning up to getting caught up in it - rather than to blame-shift toward the cops/authority. That's all. $0.02 [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not that young (25) and I'm not trying to play the "It's not fair" game, I was just stating that it is a useless law, nothing more then a tool used by law enforcement to pull people over. I know that the plate isn't going to get on there by itself, I would prefer not to drill holes in the front bumper, especially once I am done restoring it. Even if I do dot my "I's" and cross my "T's" it doesn't mean that I won't get pulled for some "reason". Now that I live in Dallas, I haven't been pulled over or had a ticket since I left Califonia, police don't even look at me. Now back in my home town they would break their necks to stare me down. Don't get me wrong I do respect the jobs of law enforcement, just not when their out to harass people. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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