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Greasy
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Yeah I've been wanting to pick up 3 more weapons pretty soon, another AR-15, AR-10, and a modded Saiga 12. After that I'll be good for a minute.
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make guns and ammo more expensive or tack on an additional fee to "fight gun abuse/violence" sort of like what the airlines do with 9/11 fees...money from that towards mental health research, gun education, gun programs/proper handling, etc...
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More expensive? Have you seen the gun prices lately?
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Originally posted by Greasy:
More expensive? Have you seen the gun prices lately?
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Originally posted by fredfifty:
make guns and ammo more expensive or tack on an additional fee to "fight gun abuse/violence" sort of like what the airlines do with 9/11 fees...money from that towards mental health research, gun education, gun programs/proper handling, etc...
Your just trying to arm the 1%!
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John91coupe
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Originally posted by ECOboostin:
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Originally posted by fredfifty:
make guns and ammo more expensive or tack on an additional fee to "fight gun abuse/violence" sort of like what the airlines do with 9/11 fees...money from that towards mental health research, gun education, gun programs/proper handling, etc...
Your just trying to arm the 1%!
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by wilit:
The legal environment is vastly different today than it was in 1994. Also the fact that communicating and mobilizing the masses to take action is much easier now thanks to the Internet. I believe any legislation proposed has an uphill battle to pass Constitutional muster. The 4th and 14th Amendments still apply, and the government cannot arbitrarily make citizens criminals overnight. Not to mention, the Republicans still control Congress.
Yeah well, the state of California did that (made citizens criminals) with the pre ban "assault" weapons law that anyone with one had to register them. I recall that around 12K registered them and over 100K citizens that didn't are now criminals.
Like I said, the legal environment has changed since then. Califonia has been saddled with our regulations because of the loss in the 9th Circuit in Silveira v Locker which was based on a long misinterpreted ruling in Miller v United States. Since the Heller and MacDonald cases, the SCOTUS has held that we have an individual right to keep and bear arms. Those rulings also protect long guns and handguns which are in common use. The AR is the most popular rifle in the US and is estimated to have several million in circulation today. Also since those rulings, another lawsuit has been filed to challenge CA law, but the court system takes a long time. We also just recently have a 7th Circuit ruling affirming that the right to bear arms does extend beyond the home.
I see some form of ban getting introduced and watered down to pass Congress. Then challenged in SCOTUS and overturned.
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I predict that background checks will be tightend and the gun show loophole in certain states that allowes people to purchase a firearm with out a background check will be eliminated.
I would like to see the background check on people wanting to buy guns tightened up to such a high level that you would have to fill out a mountain of paper work and be subjected to an extensive background check lasting months that would require federal agents to go to your house and turn it upside down. Such a stringent gun buying prossess would cost a lot money and the gun buyer would be the one paying gor it. Furthermore, it should be a requirment to go through mandatory fire arm safety training at a considerable cost and such a requirment would have to be met every year or else the government would take away your gun.
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You are a confused liberal. Disarming the poor. Evil big oil will only now own guns! Unless you want to BAN OIL TOO! Hell lets just ban everything. People didnt kill people before guns. Wars didnt even exist before man invented the gun.
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I predict that background checks will be tightend and the gun show loophole in certain states that allowes people to purchase a firearm with out a background check will be eliminated.
I would like to see the background check on people wanting to buy guns tightened up to such a high level that you would have to fill out a mountain of paper work and be subjected to an extensive background check lasting months that would require federal agents to go to your house and turn it upside down. Such a stringent gun buying prossess would cost a lot money and the gun buyer would be the one paying gor it. Furthermore, it should be a requirment to go through mandatory fire arm safety training at a considerable cost and such a requirment would have to be met every year or else the government would take away your gun.
And this prevents what? You do understand that criminals don't follow laws. That's why they are called criminals. And the law currently in effect WORKED in this instance. The shooter attempted to purchase a rifle days prior, but didn't due to the 14-day waiting period.
If a criminal wants a weapon, they will find a way to obtain one. A mound of paperwork isn't going to stop them.
As for the topic, I see classes of weapons being further designated instead of reduced capacities. It's going to be interesting...
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^ Do you even know what we have to do to buy a handgun in ca?
1. You have to pass a Ca handgun test. It is a test on Ca gun laws. You also have to pay for the test.
2. In Ca you can only buy 1 handgun a month.
3. You have to pass a background check. You are required to state if you are on any mind altering medications, are on leave from a mental institution, have any restraining orders against you.... All of these things are checked with DOJ before you ever walk out the door with ANY pistol or rifle in Ca. That is all paid for buy the purchaser.
4. You have to prove you have a Ca approved gun safe or are required to buy a Ca approved gun lock at the time of purchase.
5. There is a 10 day waiting period on all gun transfers or purchases.
6. When you pick up you pistol after your 10 day waiting period, you have to pass a visual pistol test to make sure you know and understand how to operate the firearm correctly.
That's enough paperwork & regulations if you ask me. On top of ALL of that in Ca the serial number is registered to the owner in the event the firearm is stolen.
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I predict that background checks will be tightend and the gun show loophole in certain states that allowes people to purchase a firearm with out a background check will be eliminated.
I would like to see the background check on people wanting to buy guns tightened up to such a high level that you would have to fill out a mountain of paper work and be subjected to an extensive background check lasting months that would require federal agents to go to your house and turn it upside down. Such a stringent gun buying prossess would cost a lot money and the gun buyer would be the one paying gor it. Furthermore, it should be a requirment to go through mandatory fire arm safety training at a considerable cost and such a requirment would have to be met every year or else the government would take away your gun.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~
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Waiting period? I just bought a pistol out of the trunk of a car a couple weeks ago....
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Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I predict that background checks will be tightend and the gun show loophole in certain states that allowes people to purchase a firearm with out a background check will be eliminated.
I would like to see the background check on people wanting to buy guns tightened up to such a high level that you would have to fill out a mountain of paper work and be subjected to an extensive background check lasting months that would require federal agents to go to your house and turn it upside down. Such a stringent gun buying prossess would cost a lot money and the gun buyer would be the one paying gor it. Furthermore, it should be a requirment to go through mandatory fire arm safety training at a considerable cost and such a requirment would have to be met every year or else the government would take away your gun.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~
Here's the full Swiss story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
How much do you think it would cost to train every household in the US, or better yet examine each individual in the house to make sure they're sane? It's just as crazy as going to each house and confiscating weapons. It sounds like the Swiss have done it right from the beginning, unfortunately we haven't. Now we have a huge, complicated mess that needs fixing.
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Tell me again what criminal follows the laws?
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Originally posted by JohnB:
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
I predict that background checks will be tightend and the gun show loophole in certain states that allowes people to purchase a firearm with out a background check will be eliminated.
I would like to see the background check on people wanting to buy guns tightened up to such a high level that you would have to fill out a mountain of paper work and be subjected to an extensive background check lasting months that would require federal agents to go to your house and turn it upside down. Such a stringent gun buying prossess would cost a lot money and the gun buyer would be the one paying gor it. Furthermore, it should be a requirment to go through mandatory fire arm safety training at a considerable cost and such a requirment would have to be met every year or else the government would take away your gun.
And this prevents what? You do understand that criminals don't follow laws. That's why they are called criminals. And the law currently in effect WORKED in this instance. The shooter attempted to purchase a rifle days prior, but didn't due to the 14-day waiting period.
If a criminal wants a weapon, they will find a way to obtain one. A mound of paperwork isn't going to stop them.
As for the topic, I see classes of weapons being further designated instead of reduced capacities. It's going to be interesting...
+1. My opinion in this case the person to blame is the mother(rip). had she have locked up her firearms in a safe this might have never happened.
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And not saying it was her fault exactly but she could have maybw prevented this from happening.
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Whatever the new legislation will be, is not going to be good for anyone!
This tragedy in Connecticut has absolutely nothing to do with firearms! Blaming firearms for this tragedy is like blaming pencils for incorrect spelling.
Is it possible for this one jerk off, just one, to completely fuck up our whole way of life from here on out? I fear so. Liberals are going to completely fuck this great country of ours.....so so sad ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
This whole shooting makes absolutely no sense either. Where's the motive? Everything people do has some sort of motive.
You don't break into a house just to do it. You break in to steal or rape or something for your own personal gain.
All there is, is black n white photos of this clown on the news. Was he born in 1920 or something? WTF
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I have a question for the gun ban folks.
If you feel that the 2nd amendment wasn't intended to allow Americans to own military type rifles. Then how come there hasn't been any uproar in the past with military surplus rifles sold in the United States?
I own numerous rifles that were actually in service in WW1, WW2 & Korean War. Do you think my 1903 Springfield should be banned? Should I not be able to own any military rifle? Some of our older military rifles like the M1 grand &M1 carbine are semi auto rifles. They even have detachable mags.
So if that's the case I can't even own a black powder musket. The original rifle that helped win our freedom.
Another thing that bothers me is this whole mindset of blaming guns for our actions. There have always been good men and bad men. When did we start to make excuses for bad peoples actions?
When JFK was assassinated did anti gun activist come out asking for the ban of bolt action rifles? When MLK was shot did they come out blaming the gun used? Does anyone even know what type of gun was used to kill Malcolm X?
Did people blame the easy access to small caliber pistols when Lincoln was shot?
This was a metaly disturbed gentlemen who committed this evil act. The warning signs were there for years, yet his parents didn't do anything about it. Nobody did anything about it. He wasn't doing good in school so what did his mother do? She took him out of school to be home schooled. She knew he was getting worse yet didn't admit him to an institution for an evaluation? Why didn't the parents get their guns out of the house? They could have had another family member or neighbor storing them so he couldn't get to them.
What I'm trying to say is had his parents done their job and gotten this guy some serious physiological help, this most likely wouldn't have happened. That's the lesson that should be learned. If you know someone who's unstable, acting wierd...... Do the right thing and get them some help. You might be able prevent this from happening. Taking away all our guns isn't going to fix people with mental health issues.
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Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
I have a question for the gun ban folks.
If you feel that the 2nd amendment wasn't intended to allow Americans to own military type rifles. Then how come there hasn't been any uproar in the past with military surplus rifles sold in the United States?
I own numerous rifles that were actually in service in WW1, WW2 & Korean War. Do you think my 1903 Springfield should be banned? Should I not be able to own any military rifle? Some of our older military rifles like the M1 grand &M1 carbine are semi auto rifles. They even have detachable mags.
So if that's the case I can't even own a black powder musket. The original rifle that helped win our freedom.
Actually the Civilian Marksmanship Program has been selling surplus (semi-automatic) military rifles direct to citizens doorsteps for almost two decades. OMG, the HORROR!
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This has gotten stupid. I'm definitely giving money to CalGuns and NRA. I am not going to lose my right to go target shooting.
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