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Originally posted by ISP89LX:
Gang or no gang the guy was still a human being and had a heart and had a famiy so I don't think its rite for folks to say it was because of a gang,I'm sure the man knew of the risks he was taking but he did it for the love of riding and being part of the club. may his soul R.I.P. and it looks like he touched many people on this earth and will truly be missed by a lot of people that's what it comes down too...

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Originally posted by fredfifty:
HAMC is not a gang??

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186.22(f)
As used in this chapter, "criminal street gang" means any ongoing organization, association, or group of three or more persons, whether formal or informal, having as one of its primary activities the commission of one or more of the criminal acts enumerated in paragraphs (1) to (25), inclusive, of subdivision (e), having a common name or common identifying sign or symbol, and whose members individually or collectively engage in or have engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity.

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im pretty sure they fall under this penal code...soooo, yes. they are a gang.

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So does that mean if I start a car club and some of my members engaged in criminal activity on there own it would be a gang?

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Originally posted by g-ride14:

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Originally posted by fredfifty:
HAMC is not a gang??

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186.22(f)
As used in this chapter, "criminal street gang" means any ongoing organization, association, or group of three or more persons, whether formal or informal, having as one of its primary activities the commission of one or more of the criminal acts enumerated in paragraphs (1) to (25), inclusive, of subdivision (e), having a common name or common identifying sign or symbol, and whose members individually or collectively engage in or have engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity.

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im pretty sure they fall under this penal code...soooo, yes. they are a gang.

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So does that mean if I start a car club and some of my members engaged in criminal activity on there own it would be a gang?

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1) Assault with a deadly weapon or by means of force likely to produce great bodily injury, as defined in Section 245.
(2) Robbery, as defined in Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 211) of Title 8 of Part 1.
(3) Unlawful homicide or manslaughter, as defined in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 187) of Title 8 of Part 1.
(4) The sale, possession for sale, transportation, manufacture, offer for sale, or offer to manufacture controlled substances as defined in Sections 11054, 11055, 11056, 11057, and 11058 of the Health and Safety Code.
(5) Shooting at an inhabited dwelling or occupied motor vehicle, as defined in Section 246.
(6) Discharging or permitting the discharge of a firearm from a motor vehicle, as defined in subdivisions (a) and (b) of Section 12034.
(7) Arson, as defined in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 450) of Title 13.
(8) The intimidation of witnesses and victims, as defined in Section 136.1.
(9) Grand theft, as defined in subdivision (a) or (c) of Section 487.
(10) Grand theft of any firearm, vehicle, trailer, or vessel.
(11) Burglary, as defined in Section 459.
(12) Rape, as defined in Section 261.
(13) Looting, as defined in Section 463.
(14) Money laundering, as defined in Section 186.10.
(15) Kidnapping, as defined in Section 207.
(16) Mayhem, as defined in Section 203.
(17) Aggravated mayhem, as defined in Section 205.
(18) Torture, as defined in Section 206.
(19) Felony extortion, as defined in Sections 518 and 520.
(20) Felony vandalism, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 594.
(21) Carjacking, as defined in Section 215.
(22) The sale, delivery, or transfer of a firearm, as defined in Section 12072.
(23) Possession of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in violation of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 12101.
(24) Threats to commit crimes resulting in death or great bodily injury, as defined in Section 422.
(25) Theft and unlawful taking or driving of a vehicle, as defined in Section 10851 of the Vehicle Code.

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Originally posted by fredfifty:
depends on the crime bro...

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1) Assault with a deadly weapon or by means of force likely to produce great bodily injury, as defined in Section 245.
(2) Robbery, as defined in Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 211) of Title 8 of Part 1.
(3) Unlawful homicide or manslaughter, as defined in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 187) of Title 8 of Part 1.
(4) The sale, possession for sale, transportation, manufacture, offer for sale, or offer to manufacture controlled substances as defined in Sections 11054, 11055, 11056, 11057, and 11058 of the Health and Safety Code.
(5) Shooting at an inhabited dwelling or occupied motor vehicle, as defined in Section 246.
(6) Discharging or permitting the discharge of a firearm from a motor vehicle, as defined in subdivisions (a) and (b) of Section 12034.
(7) Arson, as defined in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 450) of Title 13.
(8) The intimidation of witnesses and victims, as defined in Section 136.1.
(9) Grand theft, as defined in subdivision (a) or (c) of Section 487.
(10) Grand theft of any firearm, vehicle, trailer, or vessel.
(11) Burglary, as defined in Section 459.
(12) Rape, as defined in Section 261.
(13) Looting, as defined in Section 463.
(14) Money laundering, as defined in Section 186.10.
(15) Kidnapping, as defined in Section 207.
(16) Mayhem, as defined in Section 203.
(17) Aggravated mayhem, as defined in Section 205.
(18) Torture, as defined in Section 206.
(19) Felony extortion, as defined in Sections 518 and 520.
(20) Felony vandalism, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 594.
(21) Carjacking, as defined in Section 215.
(22) The sale, delivery, or transfer of a firearm, as defined in Section 12072.
(23) Possession of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in violation of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 12101.
(24) Threats to commit crimes resulting in death or great bodily injury, as defined in Section 422.
(25) Theft and unlawful taking or driving of a vehicle, as defined in Section 10851 of the Vehicle Code.

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Originally posted by 510 mob shit:
You guys have no idea.. I'm in a " motorcycle club" we ain't no gang... I'm not a gang banger nor do I want to be.. Stop listining to the media and the cops that's what they want everyone to think of us... Just because we have a club and love to ride our motorcycles doesnt mean were bad people.. The funny thing is when we do something they want to put it out there , what about all the other stuff that happens in the state.. Do they ever press the issue on all that stuff and big deal it?? No they always make us to look like the bad ones because we wear our patches and don't hide!! Jethro was a good dude and was a friend of mine... He represented his club very well every where he was and did til his last breath... So before anyone wants to start yapping about shit they have no clue about , educate yourselfs!! The police hate anyone who fights for there rights! We aren't no puppets and we fight for what we believe in and don't fuck with nobody that dosent fuck with us!!

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Originally posted by SAV650HAB:
RIP...........who gives a fuck gang or not! you either roll with the punches or you dont! he obviously rolled with the punches and was down with the HA and anything that was involved with them" i no i got my boyz backs when were out and we're not a gang, but we sure do got each others backs like one im sure thats the same way the HA rolls" sad they had to resort to using guns, thats some bitch shit! coulda had a" one on one" "toe to toe" type thing that, woulda been the way to do it"

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Originally posted by SAV650HAB:
RIP...........who gives a fuck gang or not! you either roll with the punches or you dont! he obviously rolled with the punches and was down with the HA and anything that was involved with them" i no i got my boyz backs when were out and we're not a gang, but we sure do got each others backs like one im sure thats the same way the HA rolls" sad they had to resort to using guns, thats some bitch shit! coulda had a" one on one" "toe to toe" type thing that, woulda been the way to do it"

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Originally posted by 510 mob shit:
You guys have no idea.. I'm in a " motorcycle club" we ain't no gang... I'm not a gang banger nor do I want to be.. Stop listining to the media and the cops that's what they want everyone to think of us... Just because we have a club and love to ride our motorcycles doesnt mean were bad people.. The funny thing is when we do something they want to put it out there , what about all the other stuff that happens in the state.. Do they ever press the issue on all that stuff and big deal it?? No they always make us to look like the bad ones because we wear our patches and don't hide!! Jethro was a good dude and was a friend of mine... He represented his club very well every where he was and did til his last breath... So before anyone wants to start yapping about shit they have no clue about , educate yourselfs!! The police hate anyone who fights for there rights! We aren't no puppets and we fight for what we believe in and don't fuck with nobody that dosent fuck with us!!

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Originally posted by SAV650HAB:
RIP...........who gives a fuck gang or not! you either roll with the punches or you dont! he obviously rolled with the punches and was down with the HA and anything that was involved with them" i no i got my boyz backs when were out and we're not a gang, but we sure do got each others backs like one im sure thats the same way the HA rolls" sad they had to resort to using guns, thats some bitch shit! coulda had a" one on one" "toe to toe" type thing that, woulda been the way to do it"

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Originally posted by Eddie510-:
I can vouch for 510mobshit, waaaaayyy different than these ghettos fucks on here, dont judge by a S/N........ Anyways I justified it as in how our state looks at it .. more than 7 people in a group your in a gang . Lots of people will look at it like that once you start hearing shootings & stabings/fights .. But some of those M/C Clubs have some very hard working good class people with famliy . But being a part of something / a big movment / club/crew/ gang any of those catogories you have a more of a chance to get into somthing . We all have diffrent lifes/decisions . Thats why I dont like to judge anyone or say somthing negitive of someone I dont know . I know a couple people from some M/C clubs and I would hate to ever here some bad news like this . Sounds like he was a great guy from what some of you had said . Whats up 510mobshit ! havnt seen you in years. hope everything is going good . Be safe out there

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Originally posted by 510 mob shit:
You guys have no idea.. I'm in a " motorcycle club" we ain't no gang... I'm not a gang banger nor do I want to be.. Stop listining to the media and the cops that's what they want everyone to think of us... Just because we have a club and love to ride our motorcycles doesnt mean were bad people.. The funny thing is when we do something they want to put it out there , what about all the other stuff that happens in the state.. Do they ever press the issue on all that stuff and big deal it?? No they always make us to look like the bad ones because we wear our patches and don't hide!! Jethro was a good dude and was a friend of mine... He represented his club very well every where he was and did til his last breath... So before anyone wants to start yapping about shit they have no clue about , educate yourselfs!! The police hate anyone who fights for there rights! We aren't no puppets and we fight for what we believe in and don't fuck with nobody that dosent fuck with us!!

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not trying to be a dick well kinda lol but when you say your not trying to be in a gang or portray your self as one but you sn is 510 mob shit its kinda odd i dont know you and i also agree with you that the people in power dont like people fighting for their rights but some times people portray themselves a certain way that can make something totally innocent ( ie car club or mc) seem like its a bad thing. dont even know the issue that started the incident but sucks people had to die, over something that seems insignificant!

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Originally posted by 510 mob shit:
You guys have no idea.. I'm in a " motorcycle club" we ain't no gang... I'm not a gang banger nor do I want to be.. Stop listining to the media and the cops that's what they want everyone to think of us... Just because we have a club and love to ride our motorcycles doesnt mean were bad people.. The funny thing is when we do something they want to put it out there , what about all the other stuff that happens in the state.. Do they ever press the issue on all that stuff and big deal it?? No they always make us to look like the bad ones because we wear our patches and don't hide!! Jethro was a good dude and was a friend of mine... He represented his club very well every where he was and did til his last breath... So before anyone wants to start yapping about shit they have no clue about , educate yourselfs!! The police hate anyone who fights for there rights! We aren't no puppets and we fight for what we believe in and don't fuck with nobody that dosent fuck with us!!

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Shot in the back 4 times.....efffin cowards.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/09/30/hells-angel-slaying-suspect-arrested-in-san-francisco/#.ToYIleojvyp.facebook

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Shot in the back 4 times.....efffin cowards.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/09/30/hells-angel-slaying-suspect-arrested-in-san-francisco/#.ToYIleojvyp.facebook

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