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U can call it irony or whatever u want but I call it the truth, this whole trial was not over a young man losing his life not being able to be in his daughters life or do anything great possible with his life.. NOPE.. It's a white honkey cop came along and had a bad day and decided to shoot this guy for fun and cause he was black blah blah blah.. Spin it anyway u want but yes it was turned into a race thing and for u n8 so I come off a lil more clear to u if all the parties were orange it woulda never been a big deal or public or craziness like it is now..

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I have no issue with your comment. I just thought it was funny how you managed to use the race card to support your point about misplaced use of the race card. One thing I have come to understand about people is once they have put on their rose colored glasses there is no taking them off. Your opinion is well noted

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yup.. same goes for you.. and your take on it.. noted.. and everyone here knows what side of the fence your on..

and no matter what people think.. this guy is scared for life.. he will wear that scarlet letter the rest of his life.. his life will never be the same.. and if it was truely a accident.. just think of the guilt this guy will carry the rest of his life...

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It's OK - Let him walk after a few months. I can gurantee you that KARMA will bite him the ass 10x harder

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And just goes to show that we have a black president but we have so far to go on so many planes.

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Originally posted by 89point.:
U can call it irony or whatever u want but I call it the truth, this whole trial was not over a young man losing his life not being able to be in his daughters life or do anything great possible with his life.. NOPE.. It's a white honkey cop came along and had a bad day and decided to shoot this guy for fun and cause he was black blah blah blah.. Spin it anyway u want but yes it was turned into a race thing and for u n8 so I come off a lil more clear to u if all the parties were orange it woulda never been a big deal or public or craziness like it is now..

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I have no issue with your comment. I just thought it was funny how you managed to use the race card to support your point about misplaced use of the race card. One thing I have come to understand about people is once they have put on their rose colored glasses there is no taking them off. Your opinion is well noted

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yup.. same goes for you.. and your take on it.. noted.. and everyone here knows what side of the fence your on..

and no matter what people think.. this guy is scared for life.. he will wear that scarlet letter the rest of his life.. his life will never be the same.. and if it was truely a accident.. just think of the guilt this guy will carry the rest of his life...

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And just goes to show that we have a black president but we have so far to go on so many planes.

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good for him he was doing his job an made a mistake.if mr.grant had did what he was told to do he would still be here

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yeah,I agree it was a mistake on Mehserle's part...shit bag or not, you can't put blame onto Oscar Grant for getting shot in the back while cuffed on the ground.

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U can call it irony or whatever u want but I call it the truth, this whole trial was not over a young man losing his life not being able to be in his daughters life or do anything great possible with his life.. NOPE.. It's a white honkey cop came along and had a bad day and decided to shoot this guy for fun and cause he was black blah blah blah.. Spin it anyway u want but yes it was turned into a race thing and for u n8 so I come off a lil more clear to u if all the parties were orange it woulda never been a big deal or public or craziness like it is now..

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I have no issue with your comment. I just thought it was funny how you managed to use the race card to support your point about misplaced use of the race card. One thing I have come to understand about people is once they have put on their rose colored glasses there is no taking them off. Your opinion is well noted

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yup.. same goes for you.. and your take on it.. noted.. and everyone here knows what side of the fence your on..

and no matter what people think.. this guy is scared for life.. he will wear that scarlet letter the rest of his life.. his life will never be the same.. and if it was truely a accident.. just think of the guilt this guy will carry the rest of his life...

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You basically just quoted my other post. So I do not think you know what side of the fence I am on.....lol. You even used my phrase "The scarlett letter"....hahahahahaha

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i know i did it on perpose.. you like it right..? but the fact is you also have rose colored glass on as you say..

and it is a shitty place for both familys.

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Originally posted by 89point.:
U can call it irony or whatever u want but I call it the truth, this whole trial was not over a young man losing his life not being able to be in his daughters life or do anything great possible with his life.. NOPE.. It's a white honkey cop came along and had a bad day and decided to shoot this guy for fun and cause he was black blah blah blah.. Spin it anyway u want but yes it was turned into a race thing and for u n8 so I come off a lil more clear to u if all the parties were orange it woulda never been a big deal or public or craziness like it is now..

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I have no issue with your comment. I just thought it was funny how you managed to use the race card to support your point about misplaced use of the race card. One thing I have come to understand about people is once they have put on their rose colored glasses there is no taking them off. Your opinion is well noted

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yup.. same goes for you.. and your take on it.. noted.. and everyone here knows what side of the fence your on..

and no matter what people think.. this guy is scared for life.. he will wear that scarlet letter the rest of his life.. his life will never be the same.. and if it was truely a accident.. just think of the guilt this guy will carry the rest of his life...

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You basically just quoted my other post. So I do not think you know what side of the fence I am on.....lol. You even used my phrase "The scarlett letter"....hahahahahaha

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i know i did it on perpose.. you like it right..? but the fact is you also have rose colored glass on as you say..

and it is a shitty place for both familys.

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I love it!!
And judging from your usage I am not sure you know what the phrase means "Rose colored glasses".

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I remember this vividly. I actually fought with a cousin of mine because I felt strongly OJ did that shit and got away with murder.

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I remember this vividly. I actually fought with a cousin of mine because I felt strongly OJ did that shit and got away with murder.

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N8, although there are examples here and there of people actually believing OJ did not commit those two murders, the opinion that he did is overwhelming regardless if you are white, black, male, female, rich, or poor. You and I know what happened that night as did Johnny Cochran, Robert Shapiro, Judge Ito, the guy who drove the white Bronco during the low speed police chase, Chris Rock, etc etc etc, lol. Unfortunately, everything was thrown out the door (perjury & suspicion of falsified evidence).

I recall watching the verdict on TV while sitting in a diverse high school classroom in Berkeley, CA. When the verdict came in, the classroom split between black and white. The black kids were screaming, cheering, and slapping hi-fives while the white kids were putting their head down in disbelief of what just happened. It was a very eye opening experience for me regarding race relations. I'm sure many high schools across the state shared a similar reaction. It was like Chris Rock joked, "Black people, WE WON!" Regardless of the circumstances, "we won" with the cards stacked against us!

Chris Rock goes on to deliver one of the most famous lines of his career, "He (Ron Goldman) was known to drive around in her Ferrari that OJ bought her ... I'm not saying that he should have killed her, but I understand"

Classic Rock, LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJJFT9GZwY

Getting back on track with the Mehserle-Grant case, I go back and forth and struggle with this one. On one hand, shooting a suspect in the back while he lays on his stomach is completely inexcusable. There is just no way this can be justified.

However, it's difficult for me to identify with Oscar Grant... not for his race, but for who he was and what he was doing the night he was killed. For the past 20+yrs I've been riding BART regularly at all hours and routinely see youngsters running up and down the isles, drunk, causing trouble, stirring up controversy, and disrupting other riders. On the other hand I've never had any serious altercations with police that I didn't bring upon myself. So it's very natural for me to sway in one direction in this case. Combine that with two felony prison terms prior to this case for Grant, and well... well it goes without saying I guess.

If I felt like I had been regularly mistreated by law enforcement, I could easily see myself opposing the men in blue and more easily identify with Grant.

Going back to my original comment about there is no excuse to shoot someone in the back, Mehserle rightly has been convicted. The sentencing is not what the Grant supporters wanted, and it's not what the Mehsrle supporters wanted.

When the smoke clears the following glarring lessons stick out of me:

- Police need adequate training to reduce the possibility of something like this happening again.

- If you are a burden on society, cause trouble, create disruptions, oppose law enforcement, you are playing with fire.

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I too think the inexcusable (shooting a man in the back). Do I think he wanted to kill him? No. Do I think he meant to pull his gun? Yes. Even tasing at that point was uncalled for. So IMO any action he did take or would have taken by his account, is gross negligence. I am thinking somewhere around 4-5 years with credit time served would have been just. As a provision I would strip him of PC rights (I kid). The funny thing that I see as a constant, is ones that are for this judgment or against Oscar Grant. Have no ties what so ever to Oakland. And as a whole tend to sit on a perch and judge the city. Luke I admire you for being able measure your opinion with your experience in the area and also identifying where you opinion lacks depth. To that I say

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
....Reminds me a lot of the OJ case.

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I remember this vividly. I actually fought with a cousin of mine because I felt strongly OJ did that shit and got away with murder.

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N8, although there are examples here and there of people actually believing OJ did not commit those two murders, the opinion that he did is overwhelming regardless if you are white, black, male, female, rich, or poor. You and I know what happened that night as did Johnny Cochran, Robert Shapiro, Judge Ito, the guy who drove the white Bronco during the low speed police chase, Chris Rock, etc etc etc, lol. Unfortunately, everything was thrown out the door (perjury & suspicion of falsified evidence).

I recall watching the verdict on TV while sitting in a diverse high school classroom in Berkeley, CA. When the verdict came in, the classroom split between black and white. The black kids were screaming, cheering, and slapping hi-fives while the white kids were putting their head down in disbelief of what just happened. It was a very eye opening experience for me regarding race relations. I'm sure many high schools across the state shared a similar reaction. It was like Chris Rock joked, "Black people, WE WON!" Regardless of the circumstances, "we won" with the cards stacked against us!

Chris Rock goes on to deliver one of the most famous lines of his career, "He (Ron Goldman) was known to drive around in her Ferrari that OJ bought her ... I'm not saying that he should have killed her, but I understand"

Classic Rock, LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJJFT9GZwY

Getting back on track with the Mehserle-Grant case, I go back and forth and struggle with this one. On one hand, shooting a suspect in the back while he lays on his stomach is completely inexcusable. There is just no way this can be justified.

However, it's difficult for me to identify with Oscar Grant... not for his race, but for who he was and what he was doing the night he was killed. For the past 20+yrs I've been riding BART regularly at all hours and routinely see youngsters running up and down the isles, drunk, causing trouble, stirring up controversy, and disrupting other riders. On the other hand I've never had any serious altercations with police that I didn't bring upon myself. So it's very natural for me to sway in one direction in this case. Combine that with two felony prison terms prior to this case for Grant, and well... well it goes without saying I guess.

If I felt like I had been regularly mistreated by law enforcement, I could easily see myself opposing the men in blue and more easily identify with Grant.

Going back to my original comment about there is no excuse to shoot someone in the back, Mehserle rightly has been convicted. The sentencing is not what the Grant supporters wanted, and it's not what the Mehsrle supporters wanted.

When the smoke clears the following glarring lessons stick out of me:

- Police need adequate training to reduce the possibility of something like this happening again.

- If you are a burden on society, cause trouble, create disruptions, oppose law enforcement, you are playing with fire.

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May seem like a race card, but it indeed is not. The many planes I speak of go beyond race. It transcends socio-economic boundaries, civic boundaries and much more. But of course you guys would harp on the one part of my statement that contains the word black.

Just all around a bad situation for 2 families, a city, a community and a civil service agency.

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Just a thought, but if this was really the issue, why is there no other public outrage from the same community, regarding the other 300+ people killed in Oakland over the past three years. There are no protests, demonstrations, or even posts on this message board about the other senseless deaths.

Is Oscar Grant really that much more important than all of them? Or is the outrage just a way for a certain community to capitalize on a tragic situation to show how "the man" is the reason for all of their problems and shortcomings?

The fence separating both sides is made of steel and 1000 feet tall lol.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
....Reminds me a lot of the OJ case.

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I remember this vividly. I actually fought with a cousin of mine because I felt strongly OJ did that shit and got away with murder.

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N8, although there are examples here and there of people actually believing OJ did not commit those two murders, the opinion that he did is overwhelming regardless if you are white, black, male, female, rich, or poor. You and I know what happened that night as did Johnny Cochran, Robert Shapiro, Judge Ito, the guy who drove the white Bronco during the low speed police chase, Chris Rock, etc etc etc, lol. Unfortunately, everything was thrown out the door (perjury & suspicion of falsified evidence).

I recall watching the verdict on TV while sitting in a diverse high school classroom in Berkeley, CA. When the verdict came in, the classroom split between black and white. The black kids were screaming, cheering, and slapping hi-fives while the white kids were putting their head down in disbelief of what just happened. It was a very eye opening experience for me regarding race relations. I'm sure many high schools across the state shared a similar reaction. It was like Chris Rock joked, "Black people, WE WON!" Regardless of the circumstances, "we won" with the cards stacked against us!

Chris Rock goes on to deliver one of the most famous lines of his career, "He (Ron Goldman) was known to drive around in her Ferrari that OJ bought her ... I'm not saying that he should have killed her, but I understand"

Classic Rock, LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJJFT9GZwY

Getting back on track with the Mehserle-Grant case, I go back and forth and struggle with this one. On one hand, shooting a suspect in the back while he lays on his stomach is completely inexcusable. There is just no way this can be justified.

However, it's difficult for me to identify with Oscar Grant... not for his race, but for who he was and what he was doing the night he was killed. For the past 20+yrs I've been riding BART regularly at all hours and routinely see youngsters running up and down the isles, drunk, causing trouble, stirring up controversy, and disrupting other riders. On the other hand I've never had any serious altercations with police that I didn't bring upon myself. So it's very natural for me to sway in one direction in this case. Combine that with two felony prison terms prior to this case for Grant, and well... well it goes without saying I guess.

If I felt like I had been regularly mistreated by law enforcement, I could easily see myself opposing the men in blue and more easily identify with Grant.

Going back to my original comment about there is no excuse to shoot someone in the back, Mehserle rightly has been convicted. The sentencing is not what the Grant supporters wanted, and it's not what the Mehsrle supporters wanted.

When the smoke clears the following glarring lessons stick out of me:

- Police need adequate training to reduce the possibility of something like this happening again.

- If you are a burden on society, cause trouble, create disruptions, oppose law enforcement, you are playing with fire.

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