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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>351R</b> <br /><small>Member # 5053</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,1,14,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> this question has been asked before however anyone with a good I.Q on the topic please let me know(thanks alot)...<br /><br />a.whats the big difference?<br /><br />b.can any charger compete with turbo?<br /><br />c.why is turbokit so expensive.<br /><br />d.please give a general background on the topic.<br /><br />e.how does procharger sc stand against turbo sc.<br /><br /><br />thanks for the replys-i will list why i asked the question later... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>93PONY</b> <br /><small>Member # 60</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,1,18,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> a. Full boost at peak torque. A Centrifugal SC can't do that.<br /><br />b. There are no SC kits readily available that make as much HP per LB of boost than a good Turbo setup.<br /><br />c. You have to pay to play. Turbo kits have many more parts than SC kits...including much of the exhaust system.<br /><br />d. <a href="http://www.turbomustangs.com" target="_blank">www.turbomustangs.com</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>talaposa</b> <br /><small>Member # 2460</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,12,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>66 AC COBRA</b> <br /><small>Member # 904</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,14,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by talaposa:<br /><strong> Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">definetly do not listen to this guy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br />hopefully you just got it backwards<br />and if you are worried about gas mileage drive a honda we are takin power <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>GOT 50</b> <br /><small>Member # 1960</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,14,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by talaposa:<br /><strong> Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you are going to take any advice from anyone. Dont take it from that person. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>happygmore</b> <br /><small>Member # 7159</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,14,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by talaposa:<br /><strong> Two other items to add: The turbo will give better fuel economy relative to the centrifugal but the centrifugal will give better low rpm boost. No doubt whatsoever that the turbo will deliver the top end Horsepower. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">wow!<br /><br />so far from the truth. <br /><br />changing to a smaller AR will give you better boost at lower rpms, but may tap out at a higher Rpm. When choosing a turbo you need to see where you want your power to be and how much boost your going to push, then find a motor that will support the size turbo(s) you have. <br /><br />going with a turbo is not cheap because you basically have to upgrade everything, but it will be a stout setup when done right. there is a ongoing joke of people who choose to go turbo will NEVER have a running car because its sooooo expensive. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>JohnB</b> <br /><small>Member # 969</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,14,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> A. Cost. Cost is the primary hinderance to anyone who is doing a buildup. SC's are inherantly cheaper due to be a "all-inclusive" package, meaning you don't need alot of extras outside of the fuel system upgrades. Turbo's have issues like headers, piping, etc to deal with. <br /><br />B. ProCharger. Hands down. <br /><br />C. See item A.<br /><br />D. <a href="http://www.superchargersonline.com" target="_blank">SC's online</a> has a good narrative. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>92stangLX</b> <br /><small>Member # 3252</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,17,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 351R:<br /><strong> this question has been asked before however anyone with a good I.Q on the topic please let me know(thanks alot)...<br /><br />a.whats the big difference?<br /><br />b.can any charger compete with turbo?<br /><br />c.why is turbokit so expensive.<br /><br />d.please give a general background on the topic.<br /><br />e.how does procharger sc stand against turbo sc.<br /><br /><br />thanks for the replys-i will list why i asked the question later... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A. Turbos don't run on belts so there is no parasitic HP loss like a blower. Turbo kits cost way more than blower kits probably 'cause of all the custom bent tubing and SC's like Vortech are produced in high volume and turbos usually require an intercooler. SC kits are easier to install. Some SC kits are 50 state legal. Tubros aren't (excpet Incon which is out of business). <br /><br />B. Sure. What are your goals? There are blowers and turbos out there making mad HP.<br /><br />C. Turbo kits cost way more than blower kits probably 'cause of all the custom bent tubing and SC's like Vortech are produced in high volume.<br /><br />D. Please tell us what you're goals are. Do you just want to add a turbo/SC to your street car? Do you want it to be smog legal? Are you building an all out race machine?<br /><br />E. Have no idea. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>onesicklx</b> <br /><small>Member # 285</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,18,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by JohnB:<br /><strong> A. Cost. Cost is the primary hinderance to anyone who is doing a buildup. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i totally agree with you, but ive notice turbo kit prices going down on late model mustangs... <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>351R</b> <br /><small>Member # 5053</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,22,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> FIRST OFF I WONT BE LISTENING TO:talaposa <br /><br />AND SECOND,I WANT THE ABOVE AVERAGE CAR,I HAVE JUST COMPLETED (DAVES ENGINES AND MACHINING)A DART BLOCK 428 ETC(SIZE WAS DECIDED BY BUILDER NOT ME ,I JUST SAID ITS YOUR PROJECT ,I WANTED A 408),WITH AFR 225,AND A F1R PROCHARGER WITH COOLER.THIS MIGHT SOUND SILLY BUT I JUST DONT WANT TO BE SCARED TO RACE A A GUY WITH A TURBO AND ALSO I JUST SEE ALOT OF PEOPLE CONVERTING TO TURBOS.WITH MY OLD V2 I HAD PROBLEMS WIT THE BELT BUT THIS ONE HAS COG PULLY BELT SYSTEM.I MEAN EVEN THE PERSON I PURCHASED MY KIT FROM SOLD ME THE KIT TO GET A TURBO SET UP.I KNOW EVEN WITH WHAT I HAVE WILL BE WAY MORE THAN AVERAGE BUT I GUESS IM JUST HELLA INDECISIVE.IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION...YOUR THOUGHTS <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>poisonpony96</b> <br /><small>Member # 3942</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,22,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Get blown by twins! (Turbos) They are the way to go! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>morespeed</b> <br /><small>Member # 6717</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,23,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> if money is no object... turbo is the "in thing to do." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>talaposa</b> <br /><small>Member # 2460</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,23,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Interesting. There seems to be more bias than common sense. Check out <a href="http://WWW.superchargersonline.com" target="_blank">WWW.superchargersonline.com</a> and others that sell and install them and see what they have to say. The comparison is similar to comparing intake manifolds, cams and heads where the intended use should be compatible with the application. Healthy debate is always good. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>93PONY</b> <br /><small>Member # 60</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,23,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Judging by the combo I'd guess that money & staying street legal aren't real issues.<br />I'd also guess this will be strickly a race-gas setup with 20+psi, so if mid/low 8's aren't good enough for you, you may want to go with a turbo setup. <br /><br />I personally don't really see a need to for any more power than what you'll get with the F1R. It can put out WAY more power than you'll ever be able to use on the street.....if that's your thing. & it'll take a pourpose built suspenssion/chassis setup to take full advantage at the strip.<br />But if you are worried about a turbo car beating you with a similar combo.....you may want to go turbo or twin turbo. Most of the fastest street/strip EFI stangs out there are Turbo cars. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>kingmoochr</b> <br /><small>Member # 5834</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,23,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> tal. id take the word of enthusiasts over the word of salemen any day of the week. that being said, as was stated above, they will be basically equal on the drags. the beauty of turbos is they can be capable of full boost as low as 2500rpm, something a blower has trouble with. if you want to be able to drive around and not have a second thought about that supra that just pulled up to you on the highway, you need to join their realm. keep what you got if ur just dragging it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>talaposa</b> <br /><small>Member # 2460</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,2,23,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Dart 428? Sounds like some asphalt is going to be vulcanized. I put a 427 in my Falcon but I didn't put as much bite in it as you have planned. Still I have a hard time keeping the tires from spinning. Desktop dyno suggests 506 hp for my combo which means much, much more for yours. I'll hide if I see you coming! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>351R</b> <br /><small>Member # 5053</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,3,0,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO HEAR FROM U-GUYS.BECAUSE REALLY I WANT I MAKE THE BEST DECISION FIRST,SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THANKS-I LEARNED A LITTLE MORE ABOUT TURBOS AND THE ARTICLE THAT JOHN B PUT ME UP ON HELP ALOT IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING...THANKS ALOT-GOD BLESS <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>cummins</b> <br /><small>Member # 5931</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,14,20,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by kingmoochr:<br /><strong> if you want to be able to drive around and not have a second thought about that supra that just pulled up to you on the highway, you need to join their realm. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>h8louzn</b> <br /><small>Member # 1075</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,14,23,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> TRY NOS way cheaper to start with and makes better power on warm to hot days... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>2stangs69-91</b> <br /><small>Member # 1951</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,15,17,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> A no matter what you will never be the fastest LOL,<br />B The only reason I went procharger over turbo was I plan on doing some bracket racing and SC cars are easier to stage than turbo cars.(that is my opinion from talking with people who have run both).<br />C Turbo set ups are bitchen, one of the fastest cars on this board is a Procharger <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>91Trunkster</b> <br /><small>Member # 6598</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,0,15,23,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have a turbo on my fox, it's a thing of beauty when it's running, (the key word when it's running).<br /><br />At the moment it's down, but will have it up and running shortly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND THE TIME BUY A TURBO!!! <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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