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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,21,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I was hoping for more power, but:<br /> <img src="http://www.section525.com/xpage/dynorun.jpg" alt=" - " /><br /><br />What do you guys think? I have a:<br /><br />5.0L<br />Explorer upper<br />GT40 Lower<br />GT40-P heads<br />E-303<br />1.6 Roller Rockers<br />air intake<br />Apten chip<br />19# injectors<br />headers<br />AOD-E<br />stock exhaust - 4 cats<br />3.73<br /><br />So why am I only laying down 200HP? And more importantly, why only 220 TQ?<br /><br />Here's a little vid of the session <a href="http://www.section525.com/xpage/dynofull.wmv" target="_blank">http://www.section525.com/xpage/dynofull.wmv</a><br /> <br /> <small>[ August 02, 2004, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: section525 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>hidnn.o.s.</b> <br /><small>Member # 1219</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I think your AOD is what is hurting you. I have nearly the same combo. I am expcting more power like you were. Guess I kinda know what to expect now. I have 410's so I hope my torque is good atleast. What was your timing at?<br /><br />I do have a high flow Bassany X pipe though.<br /> <br /> <small>[ August 02, 2004, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: hidnn.o.s. ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Timing is 0. It's not adjustable in my ride. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>hidnn.o.s.</b> <br /><small>Member # 1219</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Ahhh, sorry. I assumed fox body. I have a high flox X pipe. Don't know how much the stock pipe is hurting you, but I would guess atleast 15rwhp with your combo? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlueOvalRacing</b> <br /><small>Member # 1531</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Your tire size affects your rear gear ratio also - you are probably around a 3.00 or less gear with that size tire. Switch back to the stock size tires and your numbers will go up <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> The reason I got it dynoed was because I wanted a baseline before swapping headers. The shiney ones are custom made, only two sets in existance (so far). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> The guy who built them sent to to me for free to test on my higher performance (than most Explorers) motor. So I wanted to get a before and after.<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.section525.com/xpage/comp1.jpg" alt=" - " /><br /> <img src="http://www.section525.com/xpage/comp2.jpg" alt=" - " /><br />Next to the FMS headers<br /><br />So after I get these on, I'll open the exhaust up and get it dynoed a third time. But I'm thinking I'm missing about 50HP somewhere! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by BlueOvalRacing:<br /><strong> Your tire size affects your rear gear ratio also - you are probably around a 3.00 or less gear with that size tire. Switch back to the stock size tires and your numbers will go up </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I actually had stock size 235/75/15s on the back. <img border="0" alt="[BS flag]" title="" src="graemlins/bs_flag.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlueOvalRacing</b> <br /><small>Member # 1531</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> sorry - they look bigger in your video <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,2,22,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Ha.. don't apologize. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.section525.com/xpage/smallones.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>-SVT- Parker</b> <br /><small>Member # 4057</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,3,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Nice <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Sean90GT</b> <br /><small>Member # 33</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,9,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Well your air fuel ratio looks a little fat. You want to be closer or on the red line at 13:1. When was that Apten chip done? Have you added anything since? Send a copy of the dyno chart and your mods to Brian and see if he can reburn to get your A/F in line. You might be surprised at the gains from getting that dialed in (though it won't be 50 rwhp).<br /><br />He was able to get my Mustang to wake up quite a bit as it was running pretty rich as well. <br /><br />Good luck.<br /><br />Sean. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,10,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Sean90GT:<br /><strong> Well your air fuel ratio looks a little fat. You want to be closer or on the red line at 13:1. When was that Apten chip done? Have you added anything since? Send a copy of the dyno chart and your mods to Brian and see if he can reburn to get your A/F in line. You might be surprised at the gains from getting that dialed in (though it won't be 50 rwhp).<br /><br />He was able to get my Mustang to wake up quite a bit as it was running pretty rich as well. <br /><br />Good luck.<br /><br />Sean. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I had it burnt for all my current mods (plus exhaust). Would having stock exhuast effect the ratio? I heard Brian isn't at Apten anymore. Know if he is still doing chips? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>HungryHippo</b> <br /><small>Member # 537</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,10,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> its a little lean. did you do anything to change the a/f ratios after each run? if they make an adjustable fuel regulator, you should raise the fuel pressure a bit <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,21,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Okay, a guy with a stock motor, with intake and exhaust, dynoed at 157HP and 221TQ. So where did my torque go? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlackNGold</b> <br /><small>Member # 655</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,22,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Clogged cats?...<br /><br />Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Explorer's too much, but why can't you adjust your timming?...You can't get a timming adjuster?... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,3,22,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Explorers have a DIS system.. and I think you'd need something like <a href="http://www.msdignition.com/ignition_24.htm" target="_blank">this</a> to adjust the timing. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,11,21,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img border="0" alt="[dance]" title="" src="graemlins/dance.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ August 11, 2004, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: section525 ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>section525</b> <br /><small>Member # 2819</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,11,21,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Dynoed second time around... 206HP 227TQ. That was with no exhaust after the cats and the new headers on.<br /><br />Still looking for my lost power somewhere.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>BlackNGold</b> <br /><small>Member # 655</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,7,11,23,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> What happens if you take the chip out?...<br /><br />Get rid of your cats!.... <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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