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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>gercolla1</b> <br /><small>Member # 3068</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,20,23,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> My mods are h/c/i and rebuit radiator and stock fan on a fox. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,20,23,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 180 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,20,23,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> For the most power, you should run a 160. For the most longevity of the motor, you think of a 180 or 190. The proper operating temp for a SBF is 190-210, anything lower, and the wear in the cylinders and to the pistons/rings increases. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Jeff S</b> <br /><small>Member # 371</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,0,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong> 180 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Agreed... this may be a first! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,0,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Probably <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /><br />In all honesty, I don't think a thermostat makes that much of a difference as far as engine wear goes. A 180 thermo was the first mod I did to my car.... ~110,000 miles ago. I install a 160 thermo when I go to the track to keep the engine cooler between passes. I toss the stock 190 thermo back in every 2 years for SMOG. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>DropTopFox</b> <br /><small>Member # 1689</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,0,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I'm about to toss in a 160 for charging reason, I think it will make my fan opperate differently and then I won't hae to worry about shutting the fan on and off <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,0,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> What you need is a 3G alternator upgrade. If you have one already, you need the over drive alternator pulley from Auto Specialties. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>1SLOWLX</b> <br /><small>Member # 558</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,8,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 180 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,8,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong> Probably <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /><br />In all honesty, I don't think a thermostat makes that much of a difference as far as engine wear goes. A 180 thermo was the first mod I did to my car.... ~110,000 miles ago. I install a 160 thermo when I go to the track to keep the engine cooler between passes. I toss the stock 190 thermo back in every 2 years for SMOG. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Don't you think if the engineers at Ford had intended you to use a 160° thermostat, it would have come from the factory with a 160° thermostat? Read any automotive text book, you'll find 80% of engine wear comes from driving during warm-up.<br /><br />Here's some articles that point out the increased wear of using a 160° for daily use.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.carnut.com/ramblin/cool3.html" target="_blank">http://www.carnut.com/ramblin/cool3.html</a><br /><a href="http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/content/front/0,2194,2442_897053_7519,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/content/front/0,2194,2442_897053_7519,00.html</a><br /><a href="http://www.dewitts.com/download/cooling.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.dewitts.com/download/cooling.pdf</a><br /><a href="http://redfox340.tripod.com/wbodyperformance/id8.html" target="_blank">http://redfox340.tripod.com/wbodyperformance/id8.html</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Bill/APEX Motorsports</b> <br /><small>Member # 636</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,9,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I recommend a 180 deg. thermostat.<br /> <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,13,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by wilit:<br /><strong> Don't you think if the engineers at Ford had intended you to use a 160° thermostat, it would have come from the factory with a 160° thermostat? Read any automotive text book, you'll find 80% of engine wear comes from driving during warm-up.<br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hell, I don't think that the engineers at Ford intended for me to stick in a 5 speed and chirp the 1-2 shift every day, 250,000 miles later <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br />Think about it for a second:<br /><br />"Read any automotive text book, you'll find 80% of engine wear comes from driving during warm-up."<br /><br /><br />It does not matter if you have a 160,180,190 or 290 degree thermostat durring warm up. The first ~10 minutes of operation the thermostat will be closed regardless. <br /><br />Can you give me 5 links on how synthetic oil will make my engine last longer, because after a quarter million miles of 99cents per quart oil and 180/160 thermostats, I better start changing my ways and figuring out how to get some durability out of this 302 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>94gt</b> <br /><small>Member # 3060</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,13,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Well, when I 1st bought my 94gt, It had a 160deg thermo in it, and boy, oh boy it kept getting up to the "A" and the "L" on me, bad news... So, JohnB suggested that I check and see if I had an stock one or not, and if not swap that out... well I ended putting in a stock replacement, and it helped aLOT.<br /><br />but then a week later my water pump started to fail... lol. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Blue Oval</b> <br /><small>Member # 2548</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,16,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I say 180 works best for me.but my other 89 has a 195 i think and it works great too. i had a 160 in it but it didnt like it much.my gas milage dropped. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,21,17,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong><br /><br />"Read any automotive text book, you'll find 80% of engine wear comes from driving during warm-up."<br /><br /><br />It does not matter if you have a 160,180,190 or 290 degree thermostat durring warm up. The first ~10 minutes of operation the thermostat will be closed regardless. <br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I know the thermostat isn't open for the first ten minutes. The point I was trying to make about the engine wear during start up is the fact the engine is not up to the proper operating temperature (190°-210°). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>siri95</b> <br /><small>Member # 2840</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,0,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> okay okay, after reading all this.. send me to the right store to change my t-stat. im runing 160. and all of u guys make me want to get 180. so, wheres the nearest store and what should i get. and how much does it cost to put in.. cause i dont have the tools to do it.. thanks <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>AL STOCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 1852</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,0,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by siri95:<br /><strong> okay okay, after reading all this.. send me to the right store to change my t-stat. im runing 160. and all of u guys make me want to get 180. so, wheres the nearest store and what should i get. and how much does it cost to put in.. cause i dont have the tools to do it.. thanks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Kragens has them for $8 and buy the gaskets.. Two bolts it comes right off.. Make sure to drain half or radiator and check if top hose is empty then get to work...Should take 5-10 minz..<br /><br />I NEVER done it but my boy did it in his and it seemed easy! Im getting 180 tomorrow from Kragens <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,0,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by siri95:<br /><strong> okay okay, after reading all this.. send me to the right store to change my t-stat. im runing 160. and all of u guys make me want to get 180. so, wheres the nearest store and what should i get. and how much does it cost to put in.. cause i dont have the tools to do it.. thanks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do you have a chip turning on your electric fan sooner? If not, on '94+ stangs, a cooler thermostat with out a chip will only make your car take longer to warm up and make your car run cooler while cruising above ~40 mph. <br /><br /><br />Napa thermostat gaskets are my fave because they have a sticker on one side that holds the thermostat in place. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>siri95</b> <br /><small>Member # 2840</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,14,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by siri95:<br /><strong> okay okay, after reading all this.. send me to the right store to change my t-stat. im runing 160. and all of u guys make me want to get 180. so, wheres the nearest store and what should i get. and how much does it cost to put in.. cause i dont have the tools to do it.. thanks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do you have a chip turning on your electric fan sooner? If not, on '94+ stangs, a cooler thermostat with out a chip will only make your car take longer to warm up and make your car run cooler while cruising above ~40 mph. <br /><br /><br />Napa thermostat gaskets are my fave because they have a sticker on one side that holds the thermostat in place. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i think ill get an 180*... its just i dont want anything bad happen to my car... seems to me 180* will make my car last longer.. rahter than my 160*<br /><br /><br />and is there a website i can seee..on how to put a thermostat on?? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,14,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Don't worry about the 160* making your motor "die" sooner. Think about it for a bit and then do a search if need be....... When was the last time you heard of a 5.O dying due to a thermostat???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,14,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong> Don't worry about the 160* making your motor "die" sooner. Think about it for a bit and then do a search if need be....... When was the last time you heard of a 5.O dying due to a thermostat???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, I hope our discussion has scared the crap out of you. It won't explode after 3 days of driving with a 160° thermostat. It's the über-long term affects you have to think about. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>cobraracer46</b> <br /><small>Member # 1142</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2004,0,22,22,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 195 is the way to go. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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