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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,28,20,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> any shop in the bay area carry super subs? <br /><br />preferably KB's <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,28,20,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Apex Motorsports carries Griggs subframes, Griggs racing carries... Griggs subframes and Miar racing carries Maximum Motorsport subframes (I think). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>99Red250</b> <br /><small>Member # 1923</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,28,22,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If you know any one that can weld making them is like a 15 min job and installing is like 45 min.<br />They arent too complex. <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,28,23,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong>Apex Motorsports carries Griggs subframes, Griggs racing carries... Griggs subframes and Miar racing carries Maximum Motorsport subframes (I think).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">thanks, but apex will prolly charge me an assload for them. then theyll want me to buy evry other damn griggs product they have <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />ill look into maier racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88gt</b> <br /><small>Member # 579</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,28,23,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ash:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong>Apex Motorsports carries Griggs subframes, Griggs racing carries... Griggs subframes and Miar racing carries Maximum Motorsport subframes (I think).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">thanks, but apex will prolly charge me an assload for them. then theyll want me to buy evry other damn griggs product they have <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />ill look into maier racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think that Apex is actually pretty reasonable when it comes to buying and installing the grigss sub frames from them. I think when i looked into it they quoted me a pretty fair price. It couldnt hurt to call <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>season'd 88</b> <br /><small>Member # 169</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,29,11,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ash:<br /><strong>any shop in the bay area carry super subs? <br /><br />preferably KB's</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ash, i hate to break the news to you, but there is nothing super about kb subs. You need to look at a few cars with subs first, and youll see what im talking about. The road race guys seem to have a better grip in this area. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,29,23,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> is a 100 bucks a good price for install of subs? i had gone down to a muffler shop to see how much theyd quote me. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KCmustangboy</b> <br /><small>Member # 1927</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,29,23,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I would advise going to a shop that does a lot of subframes. Any of the above are good. Have the torque boxes welded too while they are at it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,30,0,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ash:<br /><strong>is a 100 bucks a good price for install of subs? i had gone down to a muffler shop to see how much theyd quote me.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">$100 to install them? Sounds like you called Apex <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>shade-tree</b> <br /><small>Member # 298</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,30,0,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Apex would probably have said $400, definitely not them, lol.<br /><br />get griggs or Maximum motorsports. KB subs are the thinnest out there. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>VortechSaleen</b> <br /><small>Member # 316</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,30,7,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 88gt:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ash:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by st5150:<br /><strong>Apex Motorsports carries Griggs subframes, Griggs racing carries... Griggs subframes and Miar racing carries Maximum Motorsport subframes (I think).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">thanks, but apex will prolly charge me an assload for them. then theyll want me to buy evry other damn griggs product they have <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />ill look into maier racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think that Apex is actually pretty reasonable when it comes to buying and installing the grigss sub frames from them. I think when i looked into it they quoted me a pretty fair price. It couldnt hurt to call</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, Apex is very reasonable w/ a set of Griggs subframes and install. I think around $180 for everything. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,0,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> well, went with you guy's advice, and got a good deal at apex for a set of griggs full length subs. thanks for the help <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,0,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> For the record, how much did you pay? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,0,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 199....for full length subframes and installation <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88gt</b> <br /><small>Member # 579</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,0,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ash:<br /><strong>199....for full length subframes and installation</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good deal! <br /><br />Didn't someone say that Apex was fairly priced? :cough:me:cough: <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <br /><br />Seriously though, let us know how they feel. You're going with Griggs right? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KCmustangboy</b> <br /><small>Member # 1927</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,10,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Where is Apex? i would like to go down there and get some installed as well. Do you know if they weld torque boxes too? Thanks Casey <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>st5150</b> <br /><small>Member # 51</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,10,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Santa Clara <a href="http://www.apexmotorsports.net" target="_blank">www.apexmotorsports.net</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>shade-tree</b> <br /><small>Member # 298</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,10,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> yeah, Apex is that new <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> Viper shop that's right where that old mustang one used to be, and there's a cool nissan performance shop (Scott's Performance) right next door in Santa Clara. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ash</b> <br /><small>Member # 1523</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,19,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> so far, im happy about the griggs. the car has a lot less body roll goin around turns, and it elminates all minor chassis squeaks which were there before. i recommend them to any1! <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88gt</b> <br /><small>Member # 579</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,9,31,19,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You got it done already? That was quick. Glad to hear it helped. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>hidnn.o.s.</b> <br /><small>Member # 1219</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,10,1,12,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 88gt:<br /><br />Didn't someone say that Apex was fairly priced? :cough:me:cough: <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <br />[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You think that is a good price??? The subs are what? $80-90 at the most. $110 for installation? I have never payed more than $30 to have subs installed on any of my past mustangs. It is a good connection, but I have gotten friends subs installed for $50 (reg price). Welded ALL the way down and then painted afterwards to help prevent rust.<br /><br />Ash, Regardless of the price you couldn't have stood to save but $60-$70 and now you have them installed. I think that subframes are by far the least expensive and best mod to help prevent flex etc. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KCmustangboy</b> <br /><small>Member # 1927</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,10,1,13,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Hidnn.o.s--Where do you think I should go to have them installed? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Rev Happy</b> <br /><small>Member # 661</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,10,1,14,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I have never payed more than $30 to have subs installed on any of my past mustangs. It is a good connection, but I have gotten friends subs installed for $50 (reg price). </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">$100 for installation is not bad at all. When I was looking to get my MaximumMotorsport Full Length subs installed, one place quoted me $240 just for labor... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> and this place is listed on Griggs' website as an authorized Griggs dealer and installer...MM also had this place listed as well on their site... <br /><br />I ended having them installed for $80 by a shop where the owner actually fabricates his own subframes... I think that was an awesome price considering that on 96-98 Cobras, the tranny cross member bolts onto the stock subframes, causing the installer to fabricate a new brace that bolts onto the new subframes which then will be welded up.<br /> <br /> <small>[ November 01, 2002, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: Rev Happy ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Bill/APEX Motorsports</b> <br /><small>Member # 636</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2002,10,1,15,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Shade-tree, give us some credit, man! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <br />The Griggs subframes are only $79.95 plus $112 to weld them in. With tax, it's right around $199. (Save 10% on the Griggs subframes in the month of November, and it's $8 less.) They're .120" wall 1"x2" steel, are contoured to the underside of the car, and _really_ strengthen up the chassis. <br />I agree with the others--KB subs are very spindly. They pretty much would just be dead weight were it not for the seat braces, which really do nothing on a connector that's rigid enough (aka Griggs). <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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