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venomous93
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im thinking of getting some new heads and cam i was thinking of AFR 185 and a custom grind from comp cams can any body tell me if this is a good idea for my 93' cobra
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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WANARNM
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Originally posted by venomous93:
im thinking of getting some new heads and cam i was thinking of AFR 185 and a custom grind from comp cams can any body tell me if this is a good idea for my 93' cobra
Yes. Try a custom cam from Ed Curtis. what Intake will you be running and what injectors?
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Posts: 1390 | From: San Jose | Registered: Nov 2001
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venomous93
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where can i find out more about this guy ed curtis. i might just port out my cobra manifold as for injectors i have 24lb stock do you think i should move up to 30lb
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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WANARNM
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Originally posted by venomous93:
where can i find out more about this guy ed curtis. i might just port out my cobra manifold as for injectors i have 24lb stock do you think i should move up to 30lb
I will see where i can find that info for you. I think you should get 30's. Once you get that cutome cam and heads get it Dyno tuned and that car should haul ass. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
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Posts: 1390 | From: San Jose | Registered: Nov 2001
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WANARNM
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I forgot to mention that the heads wont work with the stock 302 unles you notch the pistons.
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Posts: 1390 | From: San Jose | Registered: Nov 2001
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venomous93
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yeah, about notching the piston im going to school (wyotech) and am taking high performence engines class next semester so i will be doing it all there about how much power do you think ill be getting. id be glad if you could get me more info on the cam
Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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Glenn
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Originally posted by venomous93:
yeah, about notching the piston im going to school (wyotech) and am taking high performence engines class next semester so i will be doing it all there about how much power do you think ill be getting. id be glad if you could get me more info on the cam
Unless you plan on stroking the motor, a lot of guys don't reccommend the 185's for a stock block, even Ed Curtis said so himself. There is a guy on WCF with the 165's, a cobra intake and a cam that dynoed at 265 I think. Why not go all Trick Flow? The best intake for the AFR 165's are the Edelbrocks right now, and for the 185;s the Holley Sytemax.
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Posts: 2009 | From: Stationed on a Pacific Island, Guam | Registered: Oct 2001
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venomous93
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THIS GUY ONLY HAD 265 HORSE POWER WITH HEADS, CAM,AND INTAKE WHY
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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venomous93
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GO RAIDERS
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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JoeT
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Go giants
AFR 185's on a 'race' 302 shortblock = perfect.
for the street, 165's make more sense (smaller cam, lower rpms, etc.)
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Posts: 6785 | From: San Jose | Registered: Jun 2001
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AaronC
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How high do you want to Rev the motor? Ed has some stout performers out there. I can rattle off several of them in detail. I've talked to him about them and some of the ingredients. If you plan to stay under 6200 the 165's will be fine. Definitely use an Edelbrock intake. They work extremely well with these heads. Tell me the basic goals of your setup and weight and I can give you more specific info and examples to compare to. Is smog a concern? If it is then you can kiss big power goodbye NA.
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1991 GT Convertible: Stock 157k mile shortblock, HiTech cam, AFR 165 heads, Edelbrock RPM intake, 1 3/4 headers
12.23 at 112.99
Best MPH 113.97
Posts: 776 | From: woodland | Registered: Dec 2000
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Glenn
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How high do you want to Rev the motor? Ed has some stout performers out there. I can rattle off several of them in detail. I've talked to him about them and some of the ingredients. If you plan to stay under 6200 the 165's will be fine. Definitely use an Edelbrock intake. They work extremely well with these heads. Tell me the basic goals of your setup and weight and I can give you more specific info and examples to compare to. Is smog a concern? If it is then you can kiss big power goodbye NA.
Hey Aaron, what AFR's do you have?
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DragGuam
Posts: 2009 | From: Stationed on a Pacific Island, Guam | Registered: Oct 2001
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88gt
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Originally posted by Glenn:
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Originally posted by venomous93:
Unless you plan on stroking the motor, a lot of guys don't reccommend the 185's for a stock block, even Ed Curtis said so himself. There is a guy on WCF with the 165's, a cobra intake and a cam that dynoed at 265 I think. Why not go all Trick Flow? The best intake for the AFR 165's are the Edelbrocks right now, and for the 185;s the Holley Sytemax.
Glenn, I dont think that stanger 91 has AFR 165's. Last time I heard, he had Edelbrock 6037's. You're right about him having a cam, but i'm pretty sure he still has the stock cam. So basically, crappy heads and crappy cam = weak numbers
Posts: 1482 | From: Santa Clara/Bay area | Registered: Nov 2001
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AaronC
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I had 165's with 2.02 valves but still had a 165 port. Cam specs were 224/218 .555/.528, 111 LSA, with 10:1 compression. Standard performer intake. Car drove just a tad above stock, I loved it. Stepping up the cam, porting the heads, and lower intake to match. Also the RPM upper is going on with 10.5 compression this time
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1991 GT Convertible: Stock 157k mile shortblock, HiTech cam, AFR 165 heads, Edelbrock RPM intake, 1 3/4 headers
12.23 at 112.99
Best MPH 113.97
Posts: 776 | From: woodland | Registered: Dec 2000
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Glenn
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Originally posted by 88gt:
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Originally posted by Glenn:
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Originally posted by venomous93:
Unless you plan on stroking the motor, a lot of guys don't reccommend the 185's for a stock block, even Ed Curtis said so himself. There is a guy on WCF with the 165's, a cobra intake and a cam that dynoed at 265 I think. Why not go all Trick Flow? The best intake for the AFR 165's are the Edelbrocks right now, and for the 185;s the Holley Sytemax.
Glenn, I dont think that stanger 91 has AFR 165's. Last time I heard, he had Edelbrock 6037's. You're right about him having a cam, but i'm pretty sure he still has the stock cam. So basically, crappy heads and crappy cam = weak numbers
Iwas talking about stanger having the 165's I threw him in there just to show his numbers as well. I was talking about whiteGt's combo.
[ October 22, 2002, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Glenn ]
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DragGuam
Posts: 2009 | From: Stationed on a Pacific Island, Guam | Registered: Oct 2001
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JoeT
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265 rwhp out of an AOD (if I think I know the car you're talking about) is pretty good.
Account for the AOD drivetrain losses, and that's probably 285+ rwhp in a T5 car.
Posts: 6785 | From: San Jose | Registered: Jun 2001
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DropTopFox
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I think those are great choices but why not go the whole 9 yards and get a new intake. The Trick Flow track heat is a great one. those are definately good choices though. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Posts: 4003 | From: San Bruno | Registered: Aug 2002
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venomous93
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Member # 1992
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i have thought about it and im just going to leave my cobra motor stock and i going to save up some more cash so i can buy a built motor any companies you guys recomend
Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
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Unless there's something wrong with the stock shortblock, there's really no reason to buy a built one.
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Posts: 4266 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Hungry Hippo
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might i suggest a crane 2031 cam for a stock 302 cobra ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posts: 2959 | From: east bay | Registered: Nov 2001
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venomous93
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hey 93 pony what heads do you suggust i put on the stock short block
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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venomous93
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one more thing to say giants kick ass
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Posts: 45 | From: Mateo,kali | Registered: Oct 2002
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
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AFR165's, custom 'Ed' cam, & either a ported Cobra intake, or ported E-bock. Probably stick with the Cobra since it goes with the car.
That's what I'd do if I wanted to run 114+ in a full weight cobra....& pass smog.
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Posts: 4266 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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jmcclesk
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TEA- trick flow heads, track heat intake, trick flow stage cam 335hp to the rear wheels 12.04@113.4
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Posts: 4024 | From: marrysville | Registered: May 2002
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
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If you're going to buy high $$$ heads, might as well buy a cam to match.
Big heads + small cam does work for upper rpm HP, but a nicer cam would give more low end TQ for a street car. Not to mention more average power under the curve.
Ed also sells PS (pure street) heads that are comparable in price to TEA, yet flow significantly better.
I don't think you need to spend that kind of $$$ though.
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