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Originally posted by cobraman_1994:
its alway nice to find out that i have wasted a good $150. thanks fo the info though, even though i could have used this about 5 months ago

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Well you live in Roseville, shame on you for not track testing all your mods at Sac Raceway

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Originally posted by sic91sleeper:
It may pick up performance gains that cant be tested.

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
airflow figures or dyno numbers are conclusive.
I consider myself a consistent driver and I can vary by one to two tenths on a given pass myself.
otherwise, the only thing you've proven is that there is no significant temperature change.

I wouldn't expect a temp. change unless you were going through some kind of intercooler, or where somehow expanding the gas rapidly (per pv=rnt)

not saying it's useless information, but track testing a mod that at it's best is only giving a small handful of HP is anecdotal at best.

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Originally posted by 67stang:

Finally, yes a dyno is conclusive...but not for measuring the effects of air induction systems (since the car is not moving!)

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in other words, the dynos that Nascar, F1, and the like use do not exist right? More or less a windtunnel attached to a dyno.

granted, good luck getting time on one. But the fact is, they exist, and yes it is a dyno, and yes it would measure ram-air.
not that I'd ever bother of course. unless it was free.

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
that's pretty funny.
although it's semantics at this point, "cold-air' intake kits really make no claim to 'chill' the incoming air. Rather they imply they 'pull' ambient cool air from the fenderwell. Just like the stock air-box.

the rwhp gains make no claims to source from temperature as far as I know. They claim to improve airflow. I'm not making this up.

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after all, without expanding the gas or using a refrigerant and some kind of compressor, how in the heck could they claim to "cool" the air?
"cold-air" kit is merely descriptive. show me where they claim to cool the air beyond ambient temperatures. (I am aware they claim to avoid elevated underhood heat, that's not the same thing)

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
there are dyno results showing over 10 rwhp in certain N.A. applications. everyone should probably decide for themselves what they think is "worth it".
On an AOD stocker 5 liter is it worth it? Probably not.

AFM power pipes have been shown to be worth >20 rwhp on blown applications. And yes, it is a version of a cold-air intake.
Do I need one on my civic? again, probably not

If all anyone ever cared about was $$$/HP we'd all be driving motorcycles. That, or our only mods on our cars would be slicks, gears, and nitrous.

but what it sounds like I'm hearing is the following... "...these are the finding from our case study. You will submit to our interpretation..."

I'd be the last to argue that you're getting a great bang for the buck with those $150 cold-air kits on a stocker. However, I will stand by the countless dyno results that show about a 2-5 HP gain on a stockish 5 liter. There's more power to be had the further from stock you get. Ever see the 4" (or larger) intakes the blower/turbo guys use? Or would you still figure the stock airbox is not a limitation? Of course not. All depends on the application.

or we could just cut the jib-jabbering and ask the dynoo operator at Apex. He probably has run the test and has hard data for dozens of cars. That wouldn't be too difficult would it?

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exactly i mean when the engine is getting forced more air from a blower or turbo or even ram air. you neet to straighten air flow and allow the accesability to get more air. i mean a blower does not pull air out of its ass (ok well technically it does) it needs to get air from somewhere. that is where you start worrying about he efficience and flow of the induction system. on a stock you might see small with cold air cuz you are still giving a better path to the engine.

wow i love this topic

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