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How many miles do these last and if i converted my 302 to a 347 how much would it cost and where can i get it done at?

This is a serious consideration by the end of the year for my 137,000 mile motor.

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http://www.347streetfighter.com/Individual/Home.htm

claims a solid 100,000 miles... and roughly around 300-500 hp depending on setup...

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Posts: 1772 | From: Anaheim Hills, Ca | Registered: Feb 2001  |  :
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Thats what i heard too m(100,000 miles)
But how much to install and where?

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347 motors aren't made out to be that good they typicaly don't last that long they have to use small pistons that leads to problems. I would go with a 331 from dss makes a good kit. Just my opinion
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quote:
Originally posted by gr40coupe:
347 motors aren't made out to be that good they typicaly don't last that long they have to use small pistons that leads to problems.


Can you site any local examples of this? 347's blow for the same reason *any* motor blows, people add a power adder yet have no concept of how much timing or how much of a fuel system they need to support that power.

91sleeper- It all depends on your budget and what your goals are.


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I just got my 347 with an S-trim running and has been nothing but problems from running out of fuel by blowing the t-rex to not cooling enough from the radiator and all that bull. If you build a motor beware of how much you are going to spend after the motor is complete. The labor in my case is free but time consuming but you need a fuel system and all that bull to get it going right.

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well how much do you think it would cost for the full operation of it, i fancied this idea a while back, before i got my dodge, and it seemed like a good idea but after pricing it got way up there
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I have heard that the 347 "street fighter" company is not a reputable shop.

various quality complaints, from the assembler to the components used (their own machine/forging shop)


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You get what you pay for. The "street fighter" is probably Eagle junk that is made in China!If you have seen an eagle crank brand new out of the box you will know what I am talking about. Its just poor quaility stuff that is mass produced. They use the cheapest aftermarket "race" parts out there to make it affordable and slap a half ass machine job on it and sell it for under 3k. If you want to run a 347 than run it. If it is built right it will last.
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I agree with the mass production stuff.. I'd rather see you spend the money and have it done right... take it to a local shop.. many people in here build motors as well... I'd probably talk to PunkInA5.SLOW heard he does some killer work....

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Yeah well thanks for all advice givers on here. I'm going to go with the 347 stroker probably for sure. Its a 10:1 so i dont think i will blow it up unless i put a blower on it which i'm not going to do. So i think it will all work out. I have the money i just need a reccomended shop. By the way its a daily driver and weekend warrior if u know what i mean. Please reccomend any shops please. How much do u think a reasonable price is for someone to install this for me?

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I would definatly use Hutchison racing in Sac. If you would like there phone number e-mail me. They know there stuff and do GREAT work!
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Yeah well thanks for all advice givers on here. I'm going to go with the 347 stroker probably for sure. Its a 10:1 so i dont think i will blow it up unless i put a blower on it which i'm not going to do. So i think it will all work out. I have the money i just need a reccomended shop. By the way its a daily driver and weekend warrior if u know what i mean. Please reccomend any shops please. How much do u think a reasonable price is for someone to install this for me?
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You dont need to buy a 347 "kit". Its just as cheap to buy the parts and build it. As for the pistons being too small, NOPE. I can build the motor for whatever hp level you want to eventually run. That means how much power adder you want to add to it later down the road. The parts in it will determine how strong it will be. And you say Eagle stuff is garbage? Maybe just depends on what you get from them. I just put an eagle 4340 crank in a 496 making 800 hp, and the crank was a very nice peice. It is a cheaper crank, so it doesnt have all the extras, but it was ground very nicely, and correct, and it didnt need alot of weight added to balance. Not saying there isnt better stuff out there, but for the price, I say its a winner.

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The 331 has a way better rod to stroke ratio.

You also dont have to clearance the block if you use I beams or ultra lights. The ultra lights are just as strong if not stronger than H beams and WAY lighter.

Food for thought.

I just put together an ultra light ROSS pistoned 331 kit with ACL bearings and the kit was 1300.

You cant buy the parts any cheaper than that.

Not with good rods and ROSS pistons.


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is it possible to put a 331 or 347 in 98 mustangs engine bay?
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Sure you could put a pushrod engine in a 1998.Anything is possible! But probably a lot of work would need to be done to do it!

Clearancing a block is very easy to do and does not take very long to do it if you have the right tools.But, Building a 331 would be cheaper and realistically you are not losing much in C.I. to make that big of a deal.

Hey Zimmerman do you have any examples of your work? What machine shop do you use? Or, do you own all of the machines?

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Well heres my situation.
My 1991 gt stang has almost 138,000 miles on it and i was looking for a rebuild kit for it. But i want more power as well so if the price wasnt tooo high i wanted to put in a stroker kit. I'm not really sure which one but i want my motor to be rebuilt and have more power without any adders. I'm not sure which one or where to go to have it done at. What stroker kit do u think i should get, my car is a daily driver but a weekend warrior if u know what i mean. Thanks for the help and advice.

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It all depends on how much money you want to spend.If you want E-mail me and we can talk.

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For machine work I go to sheldust or morgans.

FYI.

Clearancing a block is not difficult at all if you want to do it yourself and not pay someone to do it, then it is free.

But remember that you have to mock up your motor assembly to clearance the block.

When you clearance there are shavings everywhere, even when notching the bores and it is hard to keep that crap out of the rotating assembly.

Also remember that a machine shop will just dip the parts and blow them out after they clearance if they get shavings in them.


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I have referrences and such if that is what you want but I dont have time to build a stroker for you right now anyway.

Im just trying to help you with the questions you have. Not trying to sell you on a motor build.

I have built over 25 small block fords and there are 4 running right now if you want examples or something.

I dont build 9 second rides (not yet) nor do I have one but I have built 11 second motors.

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Hey Zimmerman do you have any examples of your work? What machine shop do you use? Or, do you own all of the machines?
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The best example of my work is my own motor. A stock 1968 block, 358 cubic inch Chevy, with 23 deg standard runner heads. Single carb, cast intake, and a 300 shot of nitrous. Right now the car runs consistant 9.30s, breaking the converter about every 3 passes. It 1/8 miles at 123mph, with the broken converter. This is in a 3250 lb car, with a powerglide. The motor has never blown up, and has been running 9.50s for over 2 years now. Would have to say I have at least 60 passes on motor.
I do my own motors, including combos, and put togethers. I take my blocks to machine shops, and tell them what I want, then triple check everything they did till its the way I want it. The most recent time I went through the motor, I took it to Reggie Jacksons High Performance, and told John what I wanted done. I picked the motor up, and before assembly, checked everything out. I must say it was the nicest machine work I have seen in my days of building motors. Everything was exactly what I asked for, and the price is very competetive. What shop I take it to, really depends on how much time I have, and the price I want to pay. I have used local no name shops as well, and although it took them a couple times to get it right, once it was, it worked good.
I am in the process of building a 496 stroker BB chevy now, and that should be on the track this summer. Any more questions, just ask.


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Well i was looking to spend some money like 3 grand on the motor at least and like some more to pay someone to install all the shit for me. I doont have the capabilities to do it myself although i do know how.

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with 3000 good luck getting a good stroker I have almost twice that in my shortblock

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3000 is pushing it to build a stroker motor the right way with nice heads and cam.

You figure the kit if you find a nice kit cheap is about 1300. There is at least 400 in block.

That is 1700

Then you take into account bearings/rings and such.

cam is about 200

New lifters are 100

pushrods are 70

Gaskets are from 50-120

heads if you buy cheap TFS (not good for a stroker)1000

balancer 250

Head bolts 70

Rockers 170

That is using all cheap crap


Well that is over 3000 and you havent paid anyone to assemble it.

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With 3k maybe you can buy a used motor or keep your shortblock the way it is. Put a rebuild on it and spend some money on a good set of heads and a bigger cam. And a good manifold. Then save your money for a shortblock.
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