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Topic: JUSTAGT is now DONE with the "Ghetto Tune"
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166 Merlo
FELONY
MOTORSPORTS
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I'd just like to be the first to welcome you out of the ghetto. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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Posts: 3953 | From: Thebay | Registered: Jul 2002
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by Mr JoCo:
I'd just like to be the first to welcome you out of the ghetto.
Haha, thank you ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
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JohnB
Tech Moderator
Member # 969
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No, I have never heard of a NA blowin' the spark out. I have heard of high-speed glazing, which will occur with RPM-induced conditions, as well as the obvious...high speed for extended periods of time. I think some plug-swapin' is next. Just my .02...
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1993 Cobra
2012 F150 Raptor
2020 GT500
Posts: 6523 | From: Orlando FL/Redding CA | Registered: Mar 2002
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
Member # 60
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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
I just read the RM article and it makes since. I actualy have that page saved to my Favorites but havn't read that article yet. My favorite is proabably flow bench falicies. It is much easier to try and learn form somebody who has proven to be one of the best than a aragant ass who is self proclaimed.(figure out who you are)
LOL
So when I post it, it's wrong & I'm a self proclaimed arrogant "ass". When an engine master posts it, it's right because it's "proven".
Hahaha! Whatever man.
& I've proven quite a few thing things in my time here.
I've done what you could not. Taken a stock bottom end N/A H/C/I setup into the 11's. With stock Edelbrock intake ports, shorty headers, & full weight streetcar non-the-less. A lot of 331's have a hard time matching that ET/MPH.
I've taken a STOCK headed car DEEP into the 11's at over 127mph with 12lbs of boost......at well over 3400lbs with limited traction. Who has a faster STOCK headed car on this site? There are only a few in the country that have gone faster with such shitty parts!
I've proven time & time agian that RETARDING a cam in certain combos is benefitial to ET/MPH. There are a few on this site.
And what am I doing now.... Building Bad-ass Modulars for a living. Designing camshafts for chevy's & fords across the country. I live and breath motors. Ask my wife. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I don't spout off useless info simply to aggrivate the likes of you. I have no need to compete with a pompos shadetree like you. What's the point? I have much better things to do.....like post hard tech info BACKED UP by either experience or the experience of Pro's.
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Posts: 4265 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by JohnB:
No, I have never heard of a NA blowin' the spark out. I have heard of high-speed glazing, which will occur with RPM-induced conditions, as well as the obvious...high speed for extended periods of time. I think some plug-swapin' is next. Just my .02...
Looks like the next time I'll be able to work on the car will be Saturday at the track, might do a little testing there. Off the shelf Autolite 3923's a good place to start? Where are you guys finding the "race" Autolite plugs?
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
Posts: 5990 | From: Cameron Park, Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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BlackNGold
CaliforniaFords.com
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Drew, what's your ignition set up?...Are you runnin an MSD distributor?...What wires, coil, and ign module?....Just curious...
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Posts: 5132 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Dec 2001
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by BlackNGold:
Drew, what's your ignition set up?...Are you runnin an MSD distributor?...What wires, coil, and ign module?....Just curious...
It's a Crane HI6 Ignition box, Crane coil, Live wires, stock distributer, (tried MSD w/o and change), yadda yadda
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
Posts: 5990 | From: Cameron Park, Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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JohnB
Tech Moderator
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Drew- I can special-order the AR's locally at cost (about 3.99 each or so) if you'd like me to pick up a set, lemme know, I can bring them to the track Saturday. I'll PM you my number, so gimme a call tomorrow if you're interested. Personally, I'd try a totally different plug. Like a 3910 or 3912, something of the sort.
John
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2012 F150 Raptor
2020 GT500
Posts: 6523 | From: Orlando FL/Redding CA | Registered: Mar 2002
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BlackNGold
CaliforniaFords.com
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I wonder if the stock module is having a "dwell" problem at 6500, just a thought...Is the dwell controlled by the EEC on the EEC-IV?....
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Posts: 5132 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Dec 2001
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by BlackNGold:
I wonder if the stock module is having a "dwell" problem at 6500, just a thought...Is the dwell controlled by the EEC on the EEC-IV?....
Your guess is as good as mine
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
Posts: 5990 | From: Cameron Park, Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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FasterDamnit
Bad Attitude
Member # 442
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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
Around 6000 rpm's it is down on power but then picks up again until 6400 and then drops off real bad.
ideas?
You are describing a classic symptom of valvetrain instability. Anyone care to dispute that? Doesn't matter what parts were used- troubleshoot the symptoms.
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
Around 6000 rpm's it is down on power but then picks up again until 6400 and then drops off real bad.
ideas?
You are describing a classic symptom of valvetrain instability. Anyone care to dispute that? Doesn't matter what parts were used- troubleshoot the symptoms.
I'm all ears. But the car has had this same exact problem with 2 different sets of valve springs
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
Posts: 5990 | From: Cameron Park, Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
Member # 60
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Valvesprings & rockers have been swapped out. Before & after the swap the car was cutting out at 6500. There was also no sign of valvefloat when the old springs came off.
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Posts: 4265 | From: Fair Oaks, CA | Registered: Nov 2000
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98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'
Uncle Frank
Member # 895
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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
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Originally posted by Mr JoCo:
I'd just like to be the first to welcome you out of the ghetto.
Haha, thank you
He's not out of the Ghetto, I saw were he lives, he has people getting arrested all around him ![[Wink]](wink.gif) Just playing man.
Well I looked on Summit and either holly isn't making that module anymore or summit isn't carrying them The part # HLY-891-105 and it was around 30 bucks. I'll try jegs.
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Advanced Engine Development
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88 4runner on 42's
Posts: 4206 | From: Folsom | Registered: Feb 2002
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89TRUNK
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I used to have somewhat of a problem like that but on a SBC, it turned out to be that i was running out of fuel on the top end.My car was losing power on the top end, have you considered a possible fuel issue? Just an idea....good luck
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98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX'
Uncle Frank
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Originally posted by 89TRUNK:
I used to have somewhat of a problem like that but on a SBC, it turned out to be that i was running out of fuel on the top end.My car was losing power on the top end, have you considered a possible fuel issue? Just an idea....good luck
His fuel was not an Issue on the dyno at all. His A/F was great.
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AKA Franky Freaking 5 liter
Advanced Engine Development
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88 4runner on 42's
Posts: 4206 | From: Folsom | Registered: Feb 2002
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bunchmyfunky
CAFords Drag Racing Mod
Member # 360
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I've been doing some checking on this on other sites. There are alot of posts about this and there all running Hi-6s. Things to check, make sure all ground wires are connected to a good ground and there nice and tight. Disconnect the tach. Remove the rev limiter on the Hi-6 and check. Also check your vacuum and see if it drops when the problem happens. Did you do the load test that I told you about? Gap the plugs even lower and see if that helps.
Posts: 2433 | From: Vacaville | Registered: Jul 2001
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93PONY
Mr. Valve Events
Member # 60
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Originally posted by bunchmyfunky:
I've been doing some checking on this on other sites. There are alot of posts about this and there all running Hi-6s. Things to check, make sure all ground wires are connected to a good ground and there nice and tight. Disconnect the tach. Remove the rev limiter on the Hi-6 and check. Also check your vacuum and see if it drops when the problem happens. Did you do the load test that I told you about? Gap the plugs even lower and see if that helps.
GREAT advise!
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mustanggt5091
All I need is.....
Member # 444
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I have nothing but complaints about the HI-6 I had, switched to a MSD Digital6+, LOVE it
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88 GT 357w (SOLD):(
06 Limited Edition R6 !!!!!
Posts: 2353 | From: Fairfield / Santa Rosa , Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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jmcclesk
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Member # 1355
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keeping my mouth shut.
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Posts: 4024 | From: marrysville | Registered: May 2002
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2stangs69-91
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93pony first time I have been called a shadetree LOL 19 years doing this profesionaly everyday to pay the bills and racing and winning since I was old enough to drive. AA Degree in Auto tech.and Engine Machine and ASE master tech for over 15 years., What do you have to do around here to get out from under the tree LOL. The article you linked from R&M was cool but isn't even relivant to 99% percent of the cars on this site. It is for super stockers and high dollar class racing. Plus what he mentioned. I do have to give you this. 93 PONY YOU ARE A LEGAND IN YOUR OWN MIND ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif) ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif) ![[BS flag]](graemlins/bs_flag.gif)
Mark good find I hope that helps out also. Good info to know anyhow. If it is sending out funky signals it might be caught on a scope when it is happening. Even a lab scope if you know how to test with one.
BTW my 69 with stock ported FE heads went 10.10 at over 133. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) how does that stack up.
I never even tried to put my 91 into the 11's NA never even crossed my mind to try it. That was your little deal not mine.
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2006 Yamaha V-max 1200 Modded
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66 AC COBRA
Nitrous King
Member # 904
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hey drew, i got a spare msd 6a box if you want to try it out, your rev limiter sound be in the custom chip anyway
hopefully will be at the track on saturday if eljefe says i will tech in the cobra
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72 Vega - WCHRA Extreme 10.5
Posts: 6280 | From: Winters | Registered: Feb 2002
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Yellow94GT
Mr. 60 FT
Member # 431
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Originally posted by 66 AC COBRA:
hey drew, i got a spare msd 6a box if you want to try it out, your rev limiter sound be in the custom chip anyway
hopefully will be at the track on saturday if eljefe says i will tech in the cobra
That would be awesome bro. Anything is worth a shot
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1994 GT Bucket that will likely never run
1999 SLOLEEN Twin Turbo Coyote
2008 F250 580 RWHP 1129 RWTQ
Posts: 5990 | From: Cameron Park, Ca | Registered: Sep 2001
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