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<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="99%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#000000"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tr bgcolor="#000099"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="2" color="#ffffff" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>T O P I C R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,24,17,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Should i buy a 306 bare block, or buy a bare 302 and bore it out myself. I have heard from quite a few members that have ran a 306 and got great numbers. I was wanting to build a 351, but my budget will not allow it right now. Plus, this will be my first engine build so i figured I start with something small.<br /><br />What do you guys think, and what are 302 and 306 blocks going for?<br /><br />Charles <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 2015-07-24, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: KARATExxCHUCK ]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Pure Stang</b> <br /><small>Member # 7251</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,24,17,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Doesn't cost much to bore it out. Plus if you buy one already done (used) you would still have to get it checked out to make sure it's good.. Start with your block get it bored and cleaned this way you don't have to worry about it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,24,20,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I will probably buy a bare block and go the route you were talking about. I will be doing this little by litle (money). Hahaha<br /><br />Charles <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ed650</b> <br /><small>Member # 9897</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,24,20,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Building a bare 306 isnt going to be cheaper than building a 351w..all machine work, balancing is going to cost the same.<br />Id do 351w bore it to a 357 using .030 over pistons stock rods and crank get some gt40 heads if your on a budget also get custom cam and intake. If you decide to use a supercharger or turbo down the road get pistons that will give you around 8:9.1 compression if you decide you want nitrous get pistons that will give you around 10:1 compression. Just make sure you get forged pistons and not hyper. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,1,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> @ed650 it is all the other special prep work the 351 needs like a different flywheel and stuff. AND SMOG! I hate having to deal with smog. I do plan on supercharging it down the road.<br /><br />What all can be used from my stock 302 to my 351 if i decide to build one.<br /><br />Charles <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,8,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Just my dos centavos, but it's almost always cheaper to just buy an engine someone is selling than trying to build one yourself. I thought I could get away with a cheap shortblock build. $2500 later, I have a 306 when I could have probably bought a complete 331 or 347 shortblock. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>SmokinLX</b> <br /><small>Member # 1684</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,12,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by wilit:<br /><strong> Just my dos centavos, but it's almost always cheaper to just buy an engine someone is selling than trying to build one yourself. I thought I could get away with a cheap shortblock build. $2500 later, I have a 306 when I could have probably bought a complete 331 or 347 shortblock. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My thoughts exactly just buy from a well known person on Here like Lee ect... I understand it's fun to buy parts and assemble as You get them but in the end You can be on the road sooner by saving up the cash and buying used all ready too go! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>88DroptopGT</b> <br /><small>Member # 2535</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,15,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> +1 buy your motor from Racsirx he got what you need.. <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,15,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> That is true! I am now torn because I want to say i built it, but if it's just cheaper to buy it already built than why not go that route. The biggest problem for me is the money. I wouldnt be able to drop a huge chunk of dough all at once, decisions!!!<br /><br />Charles <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>SLOWBACK 67</b> <br /><small>Member # 6348</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,16,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <a href="http://www.fordstrokers.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.fordstrokers.com</a><br />Can't go wrong with either the DIY or a built shortblock. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>wilit</b> <br /><small>Member # 3367</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,16,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Just to give you an idea of cost, here's what I had done to my 302. I did everything through Morgan's Machine & Marine in Walnut Creek. Not the cheapest, but definitely one of the best in the bay.<br /><br />Parts = $667<br />L2482F Speed Pro pistons<br />Speed Pro moly rings<br />Clevite bearings (mains, rods & cam)<br />Cloyes double roller timing chain<br />Ford oil pump<br />ARP oil pump drive<br />ARP rod bolts<br />Oil plugs<br />Steel block dowels<br />Crank key<br />Flywheel Ring gear<br /><br />Labor = $1550<br />Debure and blueprint oil pump<br />Clean & prep block & crank<br />Magnaflux block<br />Debure block & chase all bolt holes w/tap<br />Deck block<br />Cylinder bore & hone w/torque plate<br />Install cam bearings, freeze & oil plugs<br />Glass peen crank<br />Chamfer oil holes on crank, rods, & block<br />Turn down crank (.010/.010)<br />Polish crank<br />Glass peen rods<br />Install ARP rod bolts<br />Align hone rod big ends<br />Fit pistons to rods<br />Balance rotating assembly (to within 3/10ths of a gram)<br />Surface flywheel<br />Re-ring flywheel<br /><br />Tax = $61<br />Total = $2278<br /><br />It all adds up quick. This doesn't even include assembly of the shortblock. That would probably have been another $500-$600 easy. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>TEXAS</b> <br /><small>Member # 11875</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,16,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 306's run harder than 351's <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,16,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I guess the best thing to do is add up what parts i would want and try to see if i can find a block with the same setup. <br /><br />Thank you all for the information!!<br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>lxhatch5.0</b> <br /><small>Member # 6319</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,25,21,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 89-92 5.0 Shortblocks came with FORGED pistons from the factory...... You can run the Jug or Boost on 'em till the block cracks. Also those Explorer 5.0 motors on the jug haul ass. If your on a budget you got options. That's why I love 5.O's <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>ed650</b> <br /><small>Member # 9897</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,26,14,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Pm sent. I will have a 306 for sale soon. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,27,15,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by lxhatch5.0:<br /><strong> 89-92 5.0 Shortblocks came with FORGED pistons from the factory...... You can run the Jug or Boost on 'em till the block cracks. Also those Explorer 5.0 motors on the jug haul ass. If your on a budget you got options. That's why I love 5.O's <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh! I know bro. I was under the assumption that they only had forged pistons, but now i know they have forged connecting rods as well. Ive always wanted to supercharge my car. So i just might buy an explorer intake, cam, some heads, and a supercharger and have some fun with that for a while.<br /><br />Nothing sounds better than a cam lope with a WHINE!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Duncan Motors</b> <br /><small>Member # 7045</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,28,11,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I wouldn't trust anybody second hand used anything, no deal is worth it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>i</b> <br /><small>Member # 12534</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,28,12,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Duncan Motors:<br /><strong> I wouldn't trust anybody second hand used anything, no deal is worth it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree, next thing you know later down the road the engine will make some kind of noise. However, I would buy a engine with full documentation and actual miles from the original builder/owner. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#dedfdf"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>KARATExxCHUCK</b> <br /><small>Member # 12851</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,30,16,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I really appreciate your input Duncan. You are well known around our forum. When i have the money for a supercharger, I will be coming to you. You have two complete kits i have had my eye on for a while now. Hahahaha<br /> <br /><br />Charles <img border="0" alt="[patriot]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f7f7f7"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <b>Duncan Motors</b> <br /><small>Member # 7045</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial"> <img src="https://californiafords.com/ubb/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2015,6,30,17,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><hr /> </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> no problem man. seen to many sad stories because people try to save a buck and it ends up costing them thousands for junk in the end. still got the chargers too lol. good luck. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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