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Wildfire532FB
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http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_21998781/vehicle-license-fees-would-triple-under-measure-planned
Touted as a test of the new Democratic supermajority in Sacramento, South Bay state Sen. Ted Lieu plans to introduce a measure to triple vehicle license fees.
The constitutional amendment would restore the 2 percent vehicle license fee slashed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger after he won office partly on that pledge.
The 1.35 percent transportation system user fee increase would generate an estimated $3.5 billion to $4 billion annually for roads and public transit in yet-to-be-decided proportions, Lieu said.
Buoyed by the Democratic supermajority achieved just last week, Lieu, D-Redondo Beach, plans to introduce the legislation in either December or January. He envisions the Legislature will approve the amendment and place it before voters in November 2014.
"It would be a test to see what the two-thirds (majority) Legislature means," Lieu told the editorial board of the Los Angeles News Group. "The best way for us to lose the supermajority is to overreach.
"I'm not saying it would be an easy sell," he added of the proposal. "I'm aware of the fact I may be attacked for it."
Lieu's name will be on the same ballot, although his real election battle likely will be in the June 2014 primary.
Vehicle license fees currently stand at 0.65 percent of a vehicle's value, so the increase would round that up to an even 2 percent.
Lieu said that means someone who paid $50 in vehicle license fees today would pay $150 if
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the amendment is approved by voters.
Ed Costantini, professor emeritus of political science at the University of California, Davis, said the Democratic strategy of sending the legislation to voters rather than voting for it directly appears designed to blunt criticism of the supermajority's power to raise taxes unilaterally.
"It kind of protects them because they haven't imposed anything and they can certainly wrap themselves with the mantle of democracy," Costantini said. "It also seems consistent with the pledge by the governor that any tax increases would be subject to popular vote."
Lieu's proposal was hatched by Transportation California, an industry group that includes construction companies and labor unions.
While Lieu has contemplated the idea for some time, he said Gov. Jerry Brown's administration asked him to hold off on the proposal while Proposition 30 was before voters. That measure, including increases in the sales tax and income tax for high-end earners, was approved last week.
The lobbying group has proposed several taxing mechanisms to pay for more roads.
The vehicle license fee increase is the most palatable to potential voters who have provided feedback in focus groups, said Executive Director Bert Sandman.
"Everyone realizes we need to improve our infrastructure, so the debate is really how do we go about doing this," he said. "The feeling is (raising) vehicle license fees are a more fair way of doing this than raising the gas tax because it's a regressive tax, not a progressive tax."
That's because buyers of more expensive cars would pay higher vehicle license fees under the proposal.
The idea is to backfill revenue lost from the sunset of Proposition 1B, passed by voters in 2006, Sandman said.
Transportation California estimates there is a $5.4 billion shortfall to upgrade state highways.
The constitutional amendment is seen as a more permanent solution - and source of money - than the temporary nature of Proposition 1B.
The vehicle license fee would drop for the first 11 years, so motorists would pay less each year as the value of their vehicle diminishes.
Transportation California estimates the vehicle fee increase would create about 18,000 new construction-related jobs.
Lieu said he would not like to see any of the money go toward California's controversial bullet train proposal that critics have assailed as a waste of money.
nick.green@dailybreeze.com
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Marks93
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![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) Here we go again!!
Didn't they try this a few years ago. Good grief. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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fstryde3
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Guess they have to make up the difference for all their supporters who don't pay their registration fees every year by gouging the working man, Yep keep voting Dem CAfords congratulations.
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68dustin
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I would be sooo fucked if they pass this..
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Wildfire532FB
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If this passes i am gonna start looking into moving out of state.
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DEVERO2
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Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
If this passes i am gonna start looking into moving out of state.
We have already looked into it. Looking at Texas, Ohio, or Missouri
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John91coupe
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Liberal/Democrat = Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend............
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That is so ridiculous, I paid $400 a couple years ago to register my '95 Cummins I couldn't imagine that being tripled.
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Robb
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Im so fed up with this state.. Between the immigrants, laws, insane smog laws, This state is just getting worst and worst. I'll most likely be relocating within the next 10 years.
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John91coupe
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Originally posted by Robb:
Im so fed up with this state.. Between the immigrants, laws, insane smog laws, This state is just getting worst and worst. I'll most likely be relocating within the next 10 years.
You and a lot of other people, including me. Companies are fleeing this state in droves, as well as individuals. The CA government keeps this up and there won't be much left (or maybe only left left).
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I don't know why the voters passed that law allowing this to happen without one republican vote. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Wake up voters we are being strong armed a lot of our money.
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John91coupe
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Originally posted by 50Reasons:
Isn't this going to be put up for vote by us? Sounds to me we need to inform everyone to vote no.
No. With a super majority they don't.
"Touted as a test of the new Democratic supermajority in Sacramento, South Bay state Sen. Ted Lieu plans to introduce a measure to triple vehicle license fees."
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JBeezy53
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Well the license fee is only a portion of yearly registration. I'm not sure of the percentage but there's a breakdown on your yearly renewal. Regardless though an increase is ridiculous. 10 years ago yearly registration on a fox was $38, I just paid $81 last month for my 88 coupe. Those are on time, no late fee figures.
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uh0h50
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Tax this, tax that. Tax anything and everything.. Fml
And we're not able to vote against this?? Fuck those assholes.
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John91coupe
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Originally posted by uh0h50:
Tax this, tax that. Tax anything and everything.. Fml
And we're not able to vote against this?? Fuck those assholes.
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.
- The Beatles
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uh0h50
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
quote:
Originally posted by uh0h50:
Tax this, tax that. Tax anything and everything.. Fml
And we're not able to vote against this?? Fuck those assholes.
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.
- The Beatles
John, I've never seen you post this much in all of my time being on this site. Still love your coupe though. I still have the magazine somewhere in my storage. Definitely one of my favorite coupes ..
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John91coupe
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Originally posted by uh0h50:
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Originally posted by John91coupe:
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Originally posted by uh0h50:
Tax this, tax that. Tax anything and everything.. Fml
And we're not able to vote against this?? Fuck those assholes.
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.
- The Beatles
John, I've never seen you post this much in all of my time being on this site. Still love your coupe though. I still have the magazine somewhere in my storage. Definitely one of my favorite coupes ..
Been on this site for over 12 years now and still not over 1000 posts. Figured it was about time
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sic70stang
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Keep it up John. A lot of the time news stories like this fly under the radar. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
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9cobrasnake9
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Haha John I am with you. Havent even hit 1k yet.
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NorCalRydaz
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Originally posted by uh0h50:
Tax this, tax that. Tax anything and everything.. Fml
And we're not able to vote against this?? Fuck those assholes.
We voted when these fools were put into office. It shouldn't pass
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You guys do realize this would just be bringing it back to what it used to be before Arnold, right? California's deficit increased by 4 billion just the first year alone as a direct result after Schwarzenegger cut the fee from 2% to .62%. Personally, I'd prefer they'd cut some waste before doing things like this. But, it's important to put it in perspective and understand how we got into the situation we're in. Tax and spend is bad, don't tax and spend is worse.
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Wildfire532FB
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Originally posted by Wolfie351:
You guys do realize this would just be bringing it back to what it used to be before Arnold, right? California's deficit increased by 4 billion just the first year alone as a direct result after Schwarzenegger cut the fee from 2% to .62%. Personally, I'd prefer they'd cut some waste before doing things like this. But, it's important to put it in perspective and understand how we got into the situation we're in. Tax and spend is bad, don't tax and spend is worse.
i remember it going up to 2% one year and then Arnold changed it, i think it was going up and then once it did the outcry made him change it back, i don't recall ever paying 400 dollars for my 95GT every except that one year.
If i read it correctly the Dems want us to vote on it ourselves so if this becomes something to vote on definitely vote no even if Brown says hes gonna cut water to your house and starve your kids at school, all that is just some BS to scare you.
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As long as the money from higher fees goes to maintain our state parks, roads, bridges and schools, I don't a fuck if I have to pay more to register my car. ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
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Thats ridiculous.
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