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Topic: “Built” - Misused Word?
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68gtscode
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Am I alone feeling that the word “built” is the most misused word on this forum? To answer this question, I suppose we need to define “built” in regard to Mustangs. I don’t feel a 5.0 (pushrod) engine is “built” if it has uses the stock 2 bolt block. I don’t feel a rear end is “built” if it has 28 spline axles and/or 4 lug wheels. I don’t feel a transmission is “built” if it has a 10 spline input shaft. From a lot of posts that I read on this forum, I believe most of you disagree with me.
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Posts: 293 | From: NM (505) | Registered: Oct 2008
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Duh' Winning
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100% agree. Where's the LIKE button
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50DADDY
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Its definitely a term that is used waaaaay too loosely.
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Robb
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So my beat down raggidy ass fox with bolt ons and an intake is not built and worth 8k dollars?
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LXjames
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I kind of have an issue with the built block part. What if dude has really good stroker assembly but no dart or boss block? I mean I really do understand the differences...one splits in half the other doesn't but idk I could be wrong. And as for the rear end moser and strange make considerably strong 28 spline axles and 5 lug is more of a preference thing. Good rims or ancient rocks is the 4 or 5 lug conversation. But either way really strong points on your end just my .02
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sic70stang
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Stock blocks and 28 spline rears hahhahah
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Posts: 6943 | From: California | Registered: Jul 2005
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Nastysvt
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Does this count for modulars too cause my motor was built using my stock block..imo when I hear built, I automatically assume better internals. This doesn't mean because you have all the bolt ons your car has to offer makes it built
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Originally posted by blown doors off:
Where's the LIKE button
its on facebook ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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68dustin
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Posts: 3991 | From: neverland | Registered: Feb 2005
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JBeezy53
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I agree on everything except the block part. If it's a N/A 302/306 motor then a stronger block may not be neccessary. Now if it's forced induction then it's more than likely putting out more power than the block can handle so a stronger block is needed.
I also hate to see a car listed as "H/C/I" and it have iron GT40 heads, an explorer intake and an E cam. It may run hard for what it is but it's basically factory parts.
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Posts: 1782 | From: Sacramento, Ca | Registered: Jan 2004
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MauriSSio
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my stock block can handle in excess of 800hp. since i didnt upgrade its not considered built even though it has a forged rotating assembly and solid roller cam?
i think "built" includes everything necessary to handle the power youre making as well as making a good bit of power.
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1fastmach1
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so a stock block with afr heads/custom cam/ holley intake/forged eagle crank/eagle h-beam rods/diamond pistons/ fully blueprinted and balanced is not built?????
or how about a tko 500 with 10 spline and faceplatted gears from liberty thats not built???
or how about a 8.8 rear end with 28 spline/spooled/moser axles/4 lug to me thats built
not trying to start a argument but just because its the stock block or a rear end has 4 lug or a tranny has a 10 spline they still kan be built rember u get what you pay for
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Posts: 2592 | From: clawwwitter to 7th st | Registered: Jul 2010
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Blind
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those sound rebuilt to me, but not built.
28 splines spooled and 4 lug is a hilarious waste of money, if it all came apart at least upgrade to 31 spline, lol
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Posts: 8521 | From: Fairfield | Registered: Jul 2003
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Boss 327
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Built to me would mean somthing with aftermarket parts that goes beyond just bolt ons. Like something thats built to handle some power.
[ January 06, 2012, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Boss 327 ]
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Posts: 1789 | From: East Bay | Registered: May 2009
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Snakezilla
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So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft and a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?
[ January 06, 2012, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Snakezilla ]
Posts: 124 | From: SAC | Registered: Oct 2009
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Boss 327
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Originally posted by Snakezilla:
So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft with a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?
Only if it has beefed up internals.
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Posts: 1789 | From: East Bay | Registered: May 2009
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Snakezilla
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Originally posted by Boss 327:
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Originally posted by Snakezilla:
So now that my T56 has a Mcloed RXT with a D&D 26 spline input shaft with a upgraded TOB sleeve is considered Built?
Only if it has beefed up internals.
thats exactly was I was thinking. The sleeve and input shaft are internal but in the OP post he said if it has a 10 spline only. mine only has a 26 spline and new and upgraded TOB sleeve yet I dont consider it built... just has a few upgrades...
[ January 06, 2012, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Snakezilla ]
Posts: 124 | From: SAC | Registered: Oct 2009
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Luke87GT
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My take on it is that I brush over comments like this. "Built" is a meaningless throw away comment.
Another one that comes to mind is when you see for sale ads where the owner will state something like:
Interior 8/10
Exterior 7/10
Complete horseshit commentary and if you try to decipher something from it, you are probably setting yourself up for dissappointment.
When I buy or sell, it's facts that I want.
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Sonic96GT
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Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off power do to the block splitting.
Posts: 663 | From: S.F. | Registered: Nov 2009
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Snakezilla
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Originally posted by Sonic96GT:
Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off power do to the block splitting.
True but they are built from Ford which is stock. IMO...
Posts: 124 | From: SAC | Registered: Oct 2009
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Greasy
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I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
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lxhatch5.0
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quote:
Originally posted by Snakezilla:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sonic96GT:
Honestly it all depends on the car. 96-98 cobras have aluminum teskid blocks with forged cranks. 03-04 Mach's have WAP aluminum block with forged cranks. Both aluminum blocks if built with forged rotating assembly are capable to hold up to 1000 HP. 03-04 cobras have forged everything and people push them anywhere between 500rwhp-700rwhp. When it comes to a 5.0 pushrod. A stock 2 bolt 302 block is at its breaking point with about 500rwhp. So no matter how good your top end is, your still limited at X amount off
power do to the block splitting.
True but they are built from Ford which is stock. IMO... [/
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Boss 327
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Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
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Posts: 1789 | From: East Bay | Registered: May 2009
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Greasy
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Originally posted by Boss 327:
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Originally posted by Greasy:
I don't necessarily agree, if it puts down a good amount of power and can handle it without breaking, I consider that "built".
So would you consider the new gt500 bone stock motors "built"
No I wouldn't, I'm talking about a vehicle with aftermarket parts that is reliable and puts down some serious power.
My brothers Terminator has a 2.9L Whipple running on E-85 stock long block that puts down 764RWHP and 668RWTQ, would you call that stock, not built or lightly modded?
My new 408W has fully forged internals, TFS CNC'd 225 highports and I will be throwing about 12psi at it with a stock block. Should be around a reliable 650+RWHP, would you consider this stock, not built or lightly modded?
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