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Posted by 03GT281 (Member # 2944) on :
 
Just wondering what brand of subframe connectors would be best on my 03GT thanks
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
Global West are the strongest. They run the full length of the frame. Can support the weight of the car on a floor jack without denting. All around best choice IMO
 
Posted by imbroken (Member # 165) on :
 
03GT, check these out. Brand new to the market, extreme quality, great looks.

http://www.hansracecraft.com/product/ford/mustang-sfc.htm

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[ April 11, 2004, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: imbroken ]
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
Haha someone copied global west's design with some very slight changes
 
Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
how much do a set of global west sfc's run and can they be purchased anywhere local to south bay/penensula area?
 
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mtbaughs:
Global West are the strongest. They run the full length of the frame. Can support the weight of the car on a floor jack without denting. All around best choice IMO
I agree, the Global west subs are the strongest.
The Kenny Brown sub frames are some of the worst
ones I have seen.
 
Posted by Procharged2Kv6 (Member # 1563) on :
 
where can u purchase these GLOBAL WEST SFCs?

how much?

would they work on my 00 V6??

thanks !! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 03GT281 (Member # 2944) on :
 
i was looking at the maximum motorsports theyre good i heard. anyways they have twokinds the full length and the standard which should i get?
thanks [Confused] [Confused]
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
http://www.globalwest.net/
 
Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mtbaughs:
http://www.globalwest.net/
cool, it looks like speed merchant in san jose is a distributer, I've seen the shop before but it just appeared to be a bling blang rim shop at first glance, lol [Wink]
 
Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
quote:
cool, it looks like speed merchant in san jose is a distributer, I've seen the shop before but it just appeared to be a bling blang rim shop at first glance, lol [Wink] [/QB]
they're $449 MSRP dumbass [Razz]

just get the MM full lengths so we don't have to cut up the floor and the welding is going to be free, something like $85 last time I checked. They have the seat supports too.
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-:
quote:
cool, it looks like speed merchant in san jose is a distributer, I've seen the shop before but it just appeared to be a bling blang rim shop at first glance, lol [Wink]
they're $449 MSRP dumbass [Razz]

just get the MM full lengths so we don't have to cut up the floor and the welding is going to be free, something like $85 last time I checked. They have the seat supports too. [/QB]
[Confused] The base Global West subs are 129.99 and theres no cutting of the floor? You've got me confused. The MM full lengths are not a bad part just not as strong
 
Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
the global west ones are $125??

the new ones posted above are 449 msrp but thats not what speed merchant sells
 
Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
wow that "Ultralite tube design " $125 subframe looks like crush-city to the humble floor jack...

[ April 11, 2004, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: shade- ]
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-:
wow that "Ultralite tube design " $125 subframe looks like crush-city to the humble floor jack...
Well I am not talking about the ones listed above. I am talking about the Global West Subs. As far as crushing the Globals with a floor jack your dreaming. Anyones thats ever had them or been around the different makers of subs will tell ya they are certainly not weak! How many subs have you installed and used? Me, I've installed Global west's inner and outer designed subs, maximum motorsports full length and standard lengths, griggs racing's subs and frame kit, kenny brown, BBK and pretty much every sub made I've had my hands on and installed. I can't say anything about the above pictured subs but they are similar looking to Globals inner and outter set. Your telling me Maximum's set which comes made with 1-1/4” x 2” x .083 wall thickness is stronger than Globals roll bar tubing built with 1020 seamless .125 wall roll cage tubing, 1-5/8" diameter No where near it. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by imbroken (Member # 165) on :
 
Global West is an OLD pioneer in suspension components as many of you probably know, they have QUALITY components.

Also, Shade, hence the reason there are "JACKING" Subs, and the tubular LIGHTER ones which are not meant for jacking.. They are supposed to be awesome *shrug*
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
Globals base subs Part# 912 list $129.99
Globals outer subframe assembly Part# 915 $76.99

Globals inner and outer combo pre-welded Part# 921 $320.99

These are prices for a fox body mustang quoted from Global West's web site as I listed above

[ April 11, 2004, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: mtbaughs ]
 
Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
OK here's a synopsis:

me: the $449 global west subframes are out of budget range

you guys: we're not talking about those, we're talking about the $125 ones, obviously.

me: those $125 ones don't look like they'd support a jack without being crushed

you guys: we're not talking about those $125 ones, we're talking about the super-duper $400+ one's again.

me: sorry I can't stay on topic! [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 
I loved my MM subs on my last Mustang...I could see the difference just by jacking the car down after the install...

I'd try to stay away from tubular subs...For one they offer less ground clearance and for 2 they're generally weaker.... [patriot]
 
Posted by 4.6GT (Member # 2643) on :
 
what do sub frame connectors do for the car???? sorry if its a dumb question
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black94 5.0:
I loved my MM subs on my last Mustang...I could see the difference just by jacking the car down after the install...

I'd try to stay away from tubular subs...For one they offer less ground clearance and for 2 they're generally weaker.... [patriot]
The MM subs are not a bad choice, their just not the best choice. As far as ground clearance goes theres a few tubular sets that reduce clearance by cheap manuf.. Global West's do not reduce ground clearance at all. If you all had ever installed them you'd know this as they attach to the frame in a different manner. I am still trying to determine why you all think a .125" walled tube global west sub is weaker than the MM .083" walled sub. Obviously theres a lot of people here who are ignorant to what these #'s mean.
 
Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 
why not try bigboy racing's sub frames? $170 installed. hope this helps, and he is local.
 
Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mtbaughs:
I am still trying to determine why you all think a .125" walled tube global west sub is weaker than the MM .083" walled sub.
MM "standard subs" are 1"x2" rectangular tubing with .120" wall thickness..

MM full lengths are 1-1/4" x 2" with .083" wall thickness...The thinner wall tubing is used to lessen the weight, while the taller dimension increases stiffness by 30% over standard connectors....MM add reinforcing plates at each bend to prevent the flexing which would otherwise occur with the thinner wall tubing... [patriot]


My MM subs had 3-4" welds about every 4 inches along the existing factory sub frames...So, I had more than a couple of connected areas, thus making the floor stronger and flex less....

The Global West Subs are great subframes and I know what you're talking about with ground clearance on them...I was more or less refering to the ones on the 1st page of this post... [Wink]

Aren't tubes easier to bend than a rectangular bar?....Kinda like 4 sides are stronger than 1?...
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
Well I think if you have a tube with the same wall thickness as a boxed subframe than I'd agree the boxed subframe might be stronger. In most cases however the boxed sub frames are not as thick. I'm just going off what I've seen. Many cars with different set ups I've thrown a floor jack under them. The boxed style holds up great if you lift it along the factory frame. If you lift it between the factory frame and torque boxes were it isn't supported I've seen the box tubing bend. On the other hand I've never seen the Globals bend up or dent. The MM subs are good quality. It just depends I guess on what your looking to get out of the install. We had a customer at Charlie's that flipped his car over 4 times on a road racing track. After his car was towed back to the shop you could look at the lower body panels and where they crushed to. He had inner and outer Globals. The sheet metal crush all the way to where the outer globals were mounted. It is likely if they had not been there it would have crushed further in board. The decision really comes down to again what a person is looking to get out of a set of subs. How much they want to pay for parts and how much they want to pay for install.
 
Posted by 88bird (Member # 1424) on :
 
Global West hands down, I only had Global West or Kenny Brown to choose from at the time, so the choice was easy. Excellent fit with no ground clearance lost, however I only had the option of outers for my car. And remember as with all performance parts you get what you pay for and these are well worth it.
 
Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mtbaughs:
Well I think if you have a tube with the same wall thickness as a boxed subframe than I'd agree the boxed subframe might be stronger. In most cases however the boxed sub frames are not as thick. I'm just going off what I've seen. Many cars with different set ups I've thrown a floor jack under them. The boxed style holds up great if you lift it along the factory frame. If you lift it between the factory frame and torque boxes were it isn't supported I've seen the box tubing bend. On the other hand I've never seen the Globals bend up or dent. The MM subs are good quality. It just depends I guess on what your looking to get out of the install. We had a customer at Charlie's that flipped his car over 4 times on a road racing track. After his car was towed back to the shop you could look at the lower body panels and where they crushed to. He had inner and outer Globals. The sheet metal crush all the way to where the outer globals were mounted. It is likely if they had not been there it would have crushed further in board. The decision really comes down to again what a person is looking to get out of a set of subs. How much they want to pay for parts and how much they want to pay for install.
Was this a dark blue fox coupe? if so i saw it..as Charlie had me get on a creeper and take a look at the integrity of this car. I agree those global west inner and outer subs are the best. I was later talked into the griggs racing full frame kit and had it installed and its solid and all but in many ways i wish i had done the global west for the quick and solid jacking anywhere along its length.
 
Posted by 87 Saleen (Member # 1549) on :
 
There's a saying that goes, "After so long, your just adding dead weight."

I just ordered a set of MM full lenghts and plan on putting them on this friday at my old school. I'll tell you how I like them.
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 87 Saleen:
There's a saying that goes, "After so long, your just adding dead weight."

I just ordered a set of MM full lenghts and plan on putting them on this friday at my old school. I'll tell you how I like them.
I've certainly heard that saying before in respect to the extra weight with the Global's. It's Griggs's biggest selling point for there own subs. While it may hold some water I myself wouldn't mind the extra measure of strength and safety. You can only make a car so strong and so safe why not make it all it can be? If your worried about an extra 15-25 pounds than simply adjust your horsepower and torque levels to accomidate safety and strength.

As far as if that was the same car that was mentioned above it's been days man. I don't recall the color but I do recall the owners name as Frank Wenzel which some may know. His first mod on his new car following one could likely guess.

[ April 12, 2004, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: mtbaughs ]
 
Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
wouldn't a good 6-pt rollbar offer like 100x the protection of subframes to the occupant? just thinking out loud...

of course tying the rollbar to the subframe connectors is a plus too, as would tying the rear shock towers to the rollbar...

but in a rollover crash probably the LAST thing on the car I'd be thinking about would be which brand of subframe connectors I bought.
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-:
wouldn't a good 6-pt rollbar offer like 100x the protection of subframes to the occupant? just thinking out loud...

of course tying the rollbar to the subframe connectors is a plus too, as would tying the rear shock towers to the rollbar...

but in a rollover crash probably the LAST thing on the car I'd be thinking about would be which brand of subframe connectors I bought.
Sure a roll bar is a key choice in making the car stiff and also providing safety. On the car you see pictured in my avatar which is my old car I had an 8-point cage, inner and outer globals and a frame kit in it. It was as strong as you can really get a mustang. Here's an example of what subs do in a crash. Some of you may know Vince that worked for Charlie and now works for Apex. His GT was rear ended on the freeway and 45 plus miles an hour. He saw it coming so he let off the brake pedal so his car would push forward to lessen the impact. Normally this type of hit would have pushed in the rear and buckled to the rear torque boxes beyond being able to straighten the car back to being straight. Upon inspection at the body shop the owner of the shop could not believe the car wasn't a total loss when he was first descibed the speeds of which the rear was hit. He see's this every day mind you. His conclusion was the globals kept the car from being damaged frame wise. The car was repaired and back on the road with no signs of the incident. Vince's car at the time had no roll cage and only the inner global west subs.
 
Posted by the50ho (Member # 73) on :
 
I love my MM full lengths. I will definately not go and say anything negatively about the other mentioned companies (except Kenne Brown).

Either way both compaines make a good product, available to you at a reasonable cost.


88tbird- Is your name matt by chance?? [Confused]
 
Posted by 88bird (Member # 1424) on :
 
Yes its me.
 
Posted by castor (Member # 2765) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Glenn:
why not try bigboy racing's sub frames? $170 installed. hope this helps, and he is local.
i got these....full length and welded on. [patriot] 170 installed.
 
Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
for the hell of it:

wolfe racecraft through the floor subframes = $225

http://www.wolferacecraft.com/detail.aspx?ID=293
[patriot] [worship] [worship]

[ April 13, 2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: mustanggt5091 ]
 
Posted by badazz (Member # 1773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mustanggt5091:
for the hell of it:

wolfe racecraft through the floor subframes = $225

http://www.wolferacecraft.com/detail.aspx?ID=293
[patriot] [worship] [worship]
thats my next purchase, since i got thier 6 pt already [Big Grin]
 
Posted by mtbaughs (Member # 4052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by badazz:
quote:
Originally posted by mustanggt5091:
for the hell of it:

wolfe racecraft through the floor subframes = $225

http://www.wolferacecraft.com/detail.aspx?ID=293
[patriot] [worship] [worship]
thats my next purchase, since i got thier 6 pt already [Big Grin]
Those are a nice choice. Don't forget to weld down tubes from the cage to them.
 




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