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Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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hey guys i starting to believe i need to change my cam and heads to trick flow 170s and hitech cam! I managed a 1.9 60' last nite after a good long burn out on 26" slicks. my car is flimy without any subframes and such. what to do ditch the eddy performers and trickflow stage 2 cam or add frame stiffeners and panhard bar then go to motor stuff?
[ August 02, 2012, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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good nite could hot lapped every run up till the start of competition
Posted by 96stang4.6 (Member # 9970) on
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for a 306 the stage 2 should be too big of a cam people with PNP gt40s trickflow stage 1 cam and a ported intake with gears run 12s
Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on
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do you have gears in your car?
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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3.55 launched at 3k and 4k it bogged down hard then took off every time. its on A9L bbk short ram, 75mm c&l,TB 73mm, eddy performer 2 intake with spacer(thinking of taking that out), gasket matched runners and ported heads intake and exhaust 2.02 1.96 ( i dont think they help valve shrouded more).....
[ August 02, 2012, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
for a 306 the stage 2 should be too big of a cam people with PNP gt40s trickflow stage 1 cam and a ported intake with gears run 12s
yeah im getting the picture my setup is mis matched some where cuz i should be running faster....please advise guys id love to crack the 12s
Posted by 96stang4.6 (Member # 9970) on
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port or gasket match the heads
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
port or gasket match the heads
They are ^ idk what stage but they are ported
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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hitech cam and holley intake, longtubes will be a monster
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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i hear u turbo50 loud n clear.....i hope that used hitech cam is still on the fordsale section.....easier than switching heads.....install it straight up?
Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on
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more gear!!! if you stick with a 26" tire go 3:73's
Posted by Cstang5.0 (Member # 4925) on
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Im running the same heads rpm intake and a b-cam it ran a best of 12.5 at 110 think that cam is hurting you a lot..
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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yeahs it so touchy like, on/off in a very narrow rpm range im going to change the cam first and run it hopefully i can get my subfrMes welded in and torque boxes welded up before the end of the season and ill take her out again.. the cam swap should be easy eddy heads have the notches to remove the lifters without removing the heads....its just a timing cover and waterpump gasket change away from 12s?!?! i hope.....
[ August 03, 2012, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
yeahs it so touchy like, on/off in a very narrow rpm range im going to change the cam first and run it hopefully i can get my subfrMes welded in and torque boxes welded up before the end of the season and ill take her out again.. the cam swap should be easy eddy heads have the notches to remove the lifters without removing the heads....its just a timing cover and waterpump gasket change away from 12s?!?! i hope.....
what intake is on it in case I missed it?
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by triple b:
yeahs it so touchy like, on/off in a very narrow rpm range im going to change the cam first and run it hopefully i can get my subfrMes welded in and torque boxes welded up before the end of the season and ill take her out again.. the cam swap should be easy eddy heads have the notches to remove the lifters without removing the heads....its just a timing cover and waterpump gasket change away from 12s?!?! i hope.....
what intake is on it in case I missed it?
Edelbrock performer RPM 2 efi with 1" spacer...from what i see online systemax is better but changing from eddy to holley might not be worth it...?
[ August 03, 2012, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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Yeah something is way off on your car. What's your mph? With a ecam rp2 and gears my old car ran mid 13's stock heads and suspension. I bet it's the gearing. That stage two cam seen it on hci 302's running 12's all day.
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by triple b:
yeahs it so touchy like, on/off in a very narrow rpm range im going to change the cam first and run it hopefully i can get my subfrMes welded in and torque boxes welded up before the end of the season and ill take her out again.. the cam swap should be easy eddy heads have the notches to remove the lifters without removing the heads....its just a timing cover and waterpump gasket change away from 12s?!?! i hope.....
what intake is on it in case I missed it?
Edelbrock performer RPM 2 efi with 1" spacer...from what i see online systemax is better but changing from eddy to holley might not be worth it...?
Car should rip maybe ur clutch is slipping and id still put a hi tech cam in it no matter what.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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its a cobra clutch with a light weight flywheel....steel but has hella holes in it i think something like 13 or 17lbs cant remember i did notice my tremec 3550 got really hard to shift after 3-4 runs i hope i does no have to be rebuilt i replace the syncros already 3yrs ago...hope a oil change will fix that
[ August 04, 2012, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by *EPIK* (Member # 7481) on
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Either something is wrong with your motor or, no disrespect but you aren't driving it right? My 91 coupe with a stock 100k+ mile 302 has edelbrock performer RPM heads (2.02/1.60), shitty E-cam, RPMII manifold, long tubes, all the typical bolt ons, 3.73's, slicks, & skinnies, & I was able to pull off a 12.31 @110. My driving isn't the best either, my T5 was pretty F'd up at the time with only 4 working gears, & my 60ft was only a 1.8 too BTW...
Your car has more in it, it should easily be in the 12's with that setup. U don't have to add anything else to it to hit 12's.
[ August 04, 2012, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: *EPIK* ]
Posted by 90 7up lx (Member # 10304) on
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Dibbs on the intake if u decide to sell it
Posted by SIC9250 (Member # 8216) on
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Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Either something is wrong with your motor or, no disrespect but you aren't driving it right? My 91 coupe with a stock 100k+ mile 302 has edelbrock performer RPM heads (2.02/1.60), shitty E-cam, RPMII manifold, long tubes, all the typical bolt ons, 3.73's, slicks, & skinnies, & I was able to pull off a 12.31 @110. My driving isn't the best either, my T5 was pretty F'd up at the time with only 4 working gears, & my 60ft was only a 1.8 too BTW...
Your car has more in it, it should easily be in the 12's with that setup. U don't have to add anything else to it to hit 12's.
+1000000 let me drive it B lol,I'll get the bitch in the 12s ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
But in all reality,u have all the tools to go 12s,should be in the 12s EASY even with that cam! Drive it like u stole it bro,6k launch,the slicks WILL hold,and power shift your ass off,should haave NO problems getting that notch in the 12s man..lmk if u need any help! Good luck!
[ August 04, 2012, 03:22 AM: Message edited by: SIC9250 ]
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by SIC9250:
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Originally posted by *EPIK*:
Either something is wrong with your motor or, no disrespect but you aren't driving it right? My 91 coupe with a stock 100k+ mile 302 has edelbrock performer RPM heads (2.02/1.60), shitty E-cam, RPMII manifold, long tubes, all the typical bolt ons, 3.73's, slicks, & skinnies, & I was able to pull off a 12.31 @110. My driving isn't the best either, my T5 was pretty F'd up at the time with only 4 working gears, & my 60ft was only a 1.8 too BTW...
Your car has more in it, it should easily be in the 12's with that setup. U don't have to add anything else to it to hit 12's.
+1000000 let me drive it B lol,I'll get the bitch in the 12s
But in all reality,u have all the tools to go 12s,should be in the 12s EASY even with that cam! Drive it like u stole it bro,6k launch,the slicks WILL hold,and power shift your ass off,should haave NO problems getting that notch in the 12s man..lmk if u need any help! Good luck!
Man i only been to the track twice with this car but i got u i remember u told me a long time ago what to do with injectors and shit back in elk grove....and the smog tip on having all smog equipment mind u i running 13s with everything...ac ps smog pump
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on
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Run a short belt also to bypass some of those extra pulleys , and what's the car weigh?
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Run a short belt also to bypass some of those extra pulleys , and what's the car weigh?
IDK ran 1/2 tank gas its all there lx with manuel windows
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on
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I would do 2 things. More gear, and drop kick that cam. Then I would go for suspension. I have been 12.6 with a stock long block, tfs heads, bolt ons, and a eddie pefromer 5.0 intake. Cutting high 1.6x on drag radials. I always go for suspension first, then more power. Don't matter how much power you make, if you can't put it down. ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Also Drop the clutch off the rev limiter. It will hold it. I did it all the time in my coupe, with the same clutch.
[ August 12, 2012, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: warhorse58gt ]
Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on
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What injectors are you using? First things that are free that i would do is remove that 1inch spacer, get rid of the C&l for a better meter, and focus on tuning it. What do the plugs look like? Timing? Fuel Pressure?
Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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BEFORE u start takin it apart,get more seat time have fun with it chage lil things that youll want to change or need when u do decide to tear it apart,work on your 60ft and bump that timing up..practice makes perfect you'll get there
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by Camara90:
What injectors are you using? First things that are free that i would do is remove that 1inch spacer, get rid of the C&l for a better meter, and focus on tuning it. What do the plugs look like? Timing? Fuel Pressure?
24# fuel is 43psi vacume off @idle, I do have a pro m bullit but its really old 1gen piece needs ro be re cal'ed to #24 say 30s on it but idk if it na/boost calb. ill take the spacer out what cold air is good anderson racing? Timing @13-14* is has a slight ping down in 2-3k range after that i cant hear/feel any more pings. I run 91 religiously change oil every mth. w/snythetic mobil1. plugs autolight look good last checked 3mths ago
[ August 13, 2012, 07:45 AM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
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Originally posted by Camara90:
What injectors are you using? First things that are free that i would do is remove that 1inch spacer, get rid of the C&l for a better meter, and focus on tuning it. What do the plugs look like? Timing? Fuel Pressure?
24# fuel is 43psi vacume off @idle, I do have a pro m bullit but its really old 1gen piece needs ro be re cal'ed to #24 say 30s on it but idk if it na/boost calb. ill take the spacer out what cold air is good anderson racing? Timing @13-14* is has a slight ping down in 2-3k range after that i cant hear/feel any more pings. I run 91 religiously change oil every 3-4 mth. w/snythetic mobil1. plugs autolight look good last checked 3mths ago
Posted by 90 7up lx (Member # 10304) on
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Get the correct maf for those injectors bro
Posted by kbernal1016 (Member # 11247) on
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GET A TUNE!
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by 90 7up lx:
Get the correct maf for those injectors bro
its got a c&l with the correct tube
Posted by 90 7up lx (Member # 10304) on
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Bro fuck that c&l.maf I had 1 w blue tube n had problems swaped out for pro m maf calib, car runs and idles way beter
Ditch the c&l
Prom m ftw
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on
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C&l's aren't bad at all. I have used/had many of them on different cars. The problem with them 99% of the time, is people either have a elbow right before the maf or a filter. You need it to have about 4-5 inchs of straight smooth air for the tube to meter the air correctly.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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i have a filter im look at puting the cold air on instead of ram air or just get a extension, but mine works idk if anything weong with it i dont have weird idle or surging problems
Posted by 5LiterPeter (Member # 10914) on
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Make sure you are running the correct length spark plugs for those heads, if not you will be down on power.The wrong plug may not be reaching all the way into the combustion chamber. What number autolite plug are you running?
Taken straight from the Edlebrock web site: Recommended spark plugs are Champion RC12YC or equivalent 14mm x 3/4" reach with flat gasket seat.
[ August 17, 2012, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: 5LiterPeter ]
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