Norcal GM vs. Ford EFI Shootout 2006 - Northern California Ford Owners

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Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

May 7th, 2006 at Sacramento Raceway Park. Gates will open early in the AM and racing will start around 9:00am or 10:00am. The event will be over at 5:00pm or 6:00pm. Exact times to be determined.

This event is for vehicles originally equipped with EFI motors (blocks must be factory produced/equipped). Plain and simple, late model iron only. (Outlaw is of course exempt from this rule, Dart/Motown/BowTie blocks will fit into this class as well.)

Ok, time is ticking and this event is coming up fast.

This event should run much smoother then our last event as we have the ENTIRE track to ourselves this year.

Here are the classes and rules. So far we do no have any sponsors, Ihave not contacted any people or shops thus far. (All money given by sponsors goes directly to the racers!) If you know of someone or a shop that would be interested in sponsoring a class, please have them contact me at:

Brian Cruice
BECcruice@starstream.net
BEcruice (AIM)
(707) 480-7275

[ March 30, 2006, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: WHYT LIE ]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

I talked to a few guys that were reccomended by this board and we never came to any final conclusions. This is the closest I can come to making a "fair" event, so now is the time to speak up.

We will not be moving any cars from one class to another just because they are faster. If someone dominates a class (legally), then good for them.

1) Stock Bracket (12.50 and slower) No electronics, throttle stops, delays, etc. (STREET TIRES ONLY, NO DOT slicks or DR's )

2) Modified Bracket (12.49 and faster) No electronics, throttle stops, delays, etc. (Any tires allowed.)

3) Truck Bracket (Might get lumped in with the above brackets) No electronics, throttle stops, delays, etc. (STREET TIRES ONLY, NO DOT slicks or DR's

3a) (Might get lumped in with Truck Bracket... If lumped in with above tire allowence will be determined.) Truck heads up, anything goes. No electronics, throttle stops, delays, etc. (Any tire allowed)

4) Showroom Stock GM all bolt on's allowed no heads/cam, Fords all bolt on's allowed, plus heads/cam/intake), '03/'04 Cobra's bolt on exhaust and intake only, no pulley swap. (Street tires/DR's no DOT slicks.)

5) Modified Stock GM stock displacement required, Ford stock displacement or equal sized to GM stock, ~350ci, '03/'04 Cobra all bolt ons allowed, no Kenny Bell. (All vehicles all bolt on's allowed, heads/cam/intake/etc) (Any tire allowed.)

6) Stroker Motor plus heads/cam/intake and all bolt ons (Any tire allowed.)

7) Stock Motor + Power Adder (same rules as class # 5, Modified Stock, plus one power adder) (Any tire allowed.) '03/'04 Cobra with Whipple/KB/Procharger and all bolt ons fit here.

8) Stroker + Power adder (same rules as class # 6, Stroker Motor, plus one power adder) '03/'04 Cobra with Whipple/KB/Procharger and all bolts AND nitrous fit here.

9) Outlaw, Anything EFI goes...

[ March 30, 2006, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: WHYT LIE ]

Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :

Hey Brian those rules look just fine to me. I'm sure we will be hearing what everyone else thinks here shortly. [patriot]

Posted by GM GOD (Member # 5859) on :

het what if im in the stroker no power adder class but i have srtipped interior. do i stay in the same class?

Posted by FoX GT (Member # 4587) on :

where would a whippled 03 cobra go? [Confused]

Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on :

Man im in that 1. what else do i need to bring besides my car? is there any fee? or somewhere i have to sign up at?

Posted by PRIMERED COUPE (Member # 6342) on :

WELL YOU CAN COUNT ON ME BEING THEIR [Big Grin]

SO WHATS THE COST, AND THE PAY OFF, PER EACH CLASS

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

Need clarification...Outlaw says 'anything EFI' but in the bolded statement it states Outlaw is exempt from this. Please confirm. I would like to run Outlaw with my coupe if possible. If not, is there going to be a TNT lane that I could squeeze into?

Greg

Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
Need clarification...Outlaw says 'anything EFI' but in the bolded statement it states Outlaw is exempt from this. Please confirm. I would like to run Outlaw with my coupe if possible. If not, is there going to be a TNT lane that I could squeeze into?

Greg

just show them that bad ass ls1 you got under the hood man!! they will let you in!! [Big Grin]

Posted by mach1killa (Member # 5069) on :

where do twin turbos fit in? tell the synergy whores to stay home this time!

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
Hey Brian those rules look just fine to me. I'm sure we will be hearing what everyone else thinks here shortly.

Thanks, hopefully there are more happy people then upset people. [Cool]

quote:
Originally posted by GM GOD:
het what if im in the stroker no power adder class but i have srtipped interior. do i stay in the same class?

How stripped are we talking? The rules are going to reflect a stock "appearing" interior, or maybe just require a covered interior with no bare metal showing. And if people do have bare metal showing or non stock appearing interior, then I guess they will get bumped a class. Can anyone come up with another fair way to handle this?

quote:
Originally posted by FoX GT:
where would a whippled 03 cobra go?

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Man im in that 1. what else do i need to bring besides my car? is there any fee? or somewhere i have to sign up at?

We are still working out the details, but it should be $55 for car and driver and $10 for spectators. We'll have the track open about 8:00-9:00am for setup and start racing at 10:00am, and stop racing at 5:00pm. If we get done with the racing/brackets/heads up/etc then we'll open the track to grudge style racing until the track shuts us down!!!

Just bring your car (be prepared for a tech inspection, no leaking oil or coolant), your helmet (if you are 13.99 or faster) long pants, closed toe shoes (no sandals), money for entrance and whatever else you need.

No need to sign up early. Although in the future we hope to have an online early sign up page where you can prepay as well.

quote:
Originally posted by PRIMERED COUPE:
WELL YOU CAN COUNT ON ME BEING THEIR SO WHATS THE COST, AND THE PAY OFF, PER EACH CLASS

Costs were covered in my above Quote, but it doesn't hurt to restate them.

$55 for car and driver
$10 for spectators

(in other words, $45 per car and $10 per person.)

And $20 per additional class you want to enter.

quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
Need clarification...Outlaw says 'anything EFI' but in the bolded statement it states Outlaw is exempt from this. Please confirm. I would like to run Outlaw with my coupe if possible. If not, is there going to be a TNT lane that I could squeeze into?

Greg

The "exempt" bit was about the " vehicles originally equipped with EFI motors. Plain and simple, late model iron only." So, this would exlude a '65 mustang with a 5.0 in it. But that '65 Mustang with a 5.0 in it would be allowed in OUTLAW, as well as a Dart block with Accel Gen VII in it, or any other EFI variation...

Clear as mud now? [Wink]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mach1killa:
where do twin turbos fit in? tell the synergy whores to stay home this time!

Twin turbo's would be in a power adder class (depending on stock ci or stroker motor) and other mods which might put it into OUTLAW.

You're not thinking about coming yourself are you? Why would you want to attend an event put on by a club/website that sucks? [Roll Eyes]

Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yellow94GT:
[qb] Hey Brian those rules look just fine to me. I'm sure we will be hearing what everyone else thinks here shortly.

Thanks, hopefully there are more happy people then upset people. [Cool]

quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Man im in that 1. what else do i need to bring besides my car? is there any fee? or somewhere i have to sign up at?

We are still working out the details, but it should be $55 for car and driver and $10 for spectators. We'll have the track open about 8:00-9:00am for setup and start racing at 10:00am, and stop racing at 5:00pm. If we get done with the racing/brackets/heads up/etc then we'll open the track to grudge style racing until the track shuts us down!!!

I'm definitely going to be there. Just hope its better then last year when i ran a Mercedes 2 rounds in a row and beat him both times [Confused]

It would be cool if the track stays open for a grudge style afterwards. Also i would be in the stock motor with a power adder, but i noticed you said that Fords can equal GM's C.I of 350. So a 5.0 can have a 347 and be in the stock motor with power adder [Confused]

The Cobra class is going to be the most confusing one. Its still the stock motor when guys are putting on Kenne Bells and Whipples, but we know how much power they make with those blowers. BUT if they are running IRS, i don't care how much power they have, they won't 60FT for shit and won't dominate any class.

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by streakmatt:

I'm definitely going to be there. Just hope its better then last year when i ran a Mercedes 2 rounds in a row and beat him both times It would be cool if the track stays open for a grudge style afterwards. Also i would be in the stock motor with a power adder, but i noticed you said that Fords can equal GM's C.I of 350. So a 5.0 can have a 347 and be in the stock motor with power adder The Cobra class is going to be the most confusing one. Its still the stock motor when guys are putting on Kenne Bells and Whipples, but we know how much power they make with those blowers. BUT if they are running IRS, i don't care how much power they have, they won't 60FT for shit and won't dominate any class.

Last year did have some trying moments, mostly because of being lumped in with another race event. However this year we have the track entirely to ourselves for the entire day on Sunday.

We will do the eliminations one of two ways (and we'll decide by the feedback we get.) Either run every round Chevy vs. Ford and hope for the fastest Chevy and fastest Ford in the finals, or run all Chevy vs. Chevy and Ford vs. Ford until the finals and take the fastest Chevy and fastest Ford of each class and have them in the finals.

Yes, a Ford can have a 347ci motor in the Stock Motor + Power Adder class (in the past the Ford guys have claimed the CI difference was unfair, so this is to try and remedy that situation...)

So, what is your idea on the Kenne Bell/Whipple '03/'04 Cobra's? And there has to be at least ONE Cobra around that has an even more beefed up motor or reduced compression or something that would result in a "built motor" class, right?

So, even with their traction problems with the IRS they should get raised a class for "changing" their power adder. Same with the '03/'04 Cobra's swapping to a Procharger setup, right?

Posted by jph331 (Member # 665) on :

I guess that means I will be racing stock motor plus 1 power adder.

Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jph331:
I guess that means I will be racing stock motor plus 1 power adder.

Hey Whyt Lie this is exactly what i'm talking about. He's running a built 342 w/turbo that runs 8's. But according to the rules he fits in that class. We need to iron out the differences in the cars. Stock motor should have stock block, not a 347 Dart block that can handle 2500 HP and run as much boost as they want. My stock 302 block will split with 450-500HP, I'm already at that level so no more power for me.

Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :

quote:
Originally posted by streakmatt:

quote:
Originally posted by jph331:
I guess that means I will be racing stock motor plus 1 power adder.
Hey Whyt Lie this is exactly what i'm talking about. He's running a built 342 w/turbo that runs 8's. But according to the rules he fits in that class. We need to iron out the differences in the cars. Stock motor should have stock block, not a 347 Dart block that can handle 2500 HP and run as much boost as they want. My stock 302 block will split with 450-500HP, I'm already at that level so no more power for me.

don't you want the fords to win the event?

Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :

Of course i want them to win, i'm just trying to get the classes even.

Posted by FoX GT (Member # 4587) on :

quote:
Originally posted by FoX GT:
where would a whippled 03 cobra go?

Just looking at the rules it would seem fair to lump those of you '03/'04 Cobra's with Kenny Bell (and therefore whippled) into the Stock Motor + Power Adder (if the motor is stock.) Does that sound fair, or would those cars dominate that class? Would Stroker Motor + Power Adder be more fair for those cars?

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I think that whippled or kenny bells should be in the stock motor + power adder. That would be fair to me.

My cobra has a little more then just a whipple so i am not sure what class it would fall into. I think the stock motor + power adder class would be fair. But thats just my opinion.

[ March 28, 2006, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: FoX GT ]

Posted by twisted54 (Member # 1981) on :

Too confusing for me...expecially since my interior is gutted too!!!

I'll stick to modified bracket and get eliminated in the first round as usual. [Razz]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by streakmatt:

quote:
Originally posted by jph331:
I guess that means I will be racing stock motor plus 1 power adder.
Hey Whyt Lie this is exactly what i'm talking about. He's running a built 342 w/turbo that runs 8's. But according to the rules he fits in that class. We need to iron out the differences in the cars. Stock motor should have stock block, not a 347 Dart block that can handle 2500 HP and run as much boost as they want. My stock 302 block will split with 450-500HP, I'm already at that level so no more power for me.

Well I believe the rules state: "This event is for vehicles originally equipped with EFI motors. Plain and simple, late model iron only. (Outlaw is of course exempt from this rule.)"

I guess we need to clarify this and state that ONLY factory produced/originally equipped blocks are allowed in these classes. Therefore any Dart/Motown/Bowtie blocks would be lumped into OUTLAW. Fair? I'll go change the rules post to reflect this.

quote:
Originally posted by streakmatt:
Of course i want them to win, i'm just trying to get the classes even.

In a perfect world, I'd like there to be an even amount of Fords and GM's winning the classes. Glad to see someone else shares my point of view.

quote:
Originally posted by FoX GT:

quote:
Originally posted by FoX GT:
where would a whippled 03 cobra go?
Just looking at the rules it would seem fair to lump those of you '03/'04 Cobra's with Kenny Bell (and therefore whippled) into the Stock Motor + Power Adder (if the motor is stock.) Does that sound fair, or would those cars dominate that class? Would Stroker Motor + Power Adder be more fair for those cars?

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I think that whippled or kenny bells should be in the stock motor + power adder. That would be fair to me.

My cobra has a little more then just a whipple so i am not sure what class it would fall into. I think the stock motor + power adder class would be fair. But thats just my opinion.

What more then a whipple? If that is just bolt ons then that should still be "fair" right? It isn't like there are that many drag specific setup '03/'04 Cobra's around that can put the power down and launch, are there? Now if you had nitrous on top of that Whipple/KB then I'd say Stroker Motor + Nitrous would be "fair", right?

quote:
Originally posted by twisted54:
Too confusing for me...expecially since my interior is gutted too!!!

I'll stick to modified bracket and get eliminated in the first round as usual.

Glad to see you are still interested in making the event even with the confusing class rules. Nearly anyone will fit in the bracket classes. Not to mention the "grudge" style heads up racing we can continue after the "racing" is over and done with.

Posted by SPEC -Fabrication (Member # 4980) on :

what class would my Saleen go in to with My kennebell and stock block? tires? dr's or street? [patriot]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SPEC -Fabrication:
what class would my Saleen go in to with My kennebell and stock block? tires? dr's or street?

Sounds like that would fit into Stock Motor + Power Adder... And in that class, any tires are allowed.

Posted by HaulinAssMaro (Member # 541) on :

I was originally trying to help with the rules but had alot going on at work at the time so I wasnt able to help much

I was just reading thru the rules and the only classs I dont agree with is the STOCK motor/power adder class

It should be a TRUE STOCK motor with bolt ons and power adders.Even though Im racing a Ford that came with a 302 and the Gm's get more cubic inches,allowing a 331/347 etc... is NOT the same thing.Someone could have a 15:1 compressioned 347 with a solid cam,blah blah blah with a unit on it and still get to run stock/power adder.IMO NOT FAIR.Lat event the Nova that won that race was nothing close to a "stock motor" i think the block was the only GM part still under that hood.A car like that should be in a stroker/power adder class or start another class with rules to fit those cars.

IMO stock power adder should be a stock shortblock,with H/C/I and a power adder being the only allowances in a STOCK MOTOR class

Oh well ill be there with the black 86gt but not sure what class [Confused]

Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :

quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAssMaro:
I was originally trying to help with the rules but had alot going on at work at the time so I wasnt able to help much

I was just reading thru the rules and the only classs I dont agree with is the STOCK motor/power adder class

It should be a TRUE STOCK motor with bolt ons and power adders.Even though Im racing a Ford that came with a 302 and the Gm's get more cubic inches,allowing a 331/347 etc... is NOT the same thing.Someone could have a 15:1 compressioned 347 with a solid cam,blah blah blah with a unit on it and still get to run stock/power adder.IMO NOT FAIR.Lat event the Nova that won that race was nothing close to a "stock motor" i think the block was the only GM part still under that hood.A car like that should be in a stroker/power adder class or start another class with rules to fit those cars.

IMO stock power adder should be a stock shortblock,with H/C/I and a power adder being the only allowances in a STOCK MOTOR class

Oh well ill be there with the black 86gt but not sure what class

Exactly what i was saying also [Smile]

Posted by shamis935 (Member # 6300) on :

so what class do i run
fast car + terrible driver

[ April 10, 2006, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: shamis935 ]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAssMaro:
I was originally trying to help with the rules but had alot going on at work at the time so I wasnt able to help much

I was just reading thru the rules and the only classs I dont agree with is the STOCK motor/power adder class

It should be a TRUE STOCK motor with bolt ons and power adders.Even though Im racing a Ford that came with a 302 and the Gm's get more cubic inches,allowing a 331/347 etc... is NOT the same thing.Someone could have a 15:1 compressioned 347 with a solid cam,blah blah blah with a unit on it and still get to run stock/power adder.IMO NOT FAIR.Lat event the Nova that won that race was nothing close to a "stock motor" i think the block was the only GM part still under that hood.A car like that should be in a stroker/power adder class or start another class with rules to fit those cars.

IMO stock power adder should be a stock shortblock,with H/C/I and a power adder being the only allowances in a STOCK MOTOR class

Oh well ill be there with the black 86gt but not sure what class

Ok, so now knowing this and sort of understanding it, how would YOU write the rules for that class?

These rulse sorta came about from Shawn (93 Pony) helping out last year. Trying to make things "fair" for both sides...

Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by HaulinAssMaro:
I was originally trying to help with the rules but had alot going on at work at the time so I wasnt able to help much

I was just reading thru the rules and the only classs I dont agree with is the STOCK motor/power adder class

It should be a TRUE STOCK motor with bolt ons and power adders.Even though Im racing a Ford that came with a 302 and the Gm's get more cubic inches,allowing a 331/347 etc... is NOT the same thing.Someone could have a 15:1 compressioned 347 with a solid cam,blah blah blah with a unit on it and still get to run stock/power adder.IMO NOT FAIR.Lat event the Nova that won that race was nothing close to a "stock motor" i think the block was the only GM part still under that hood.A car like that should be in a stroker/power adder class or start another class with rules to fit those cars.

IMO stock power adder should be a stock shortblock,with H/C/I and a power adder being the only allowances in a STOCK MOTOR class

Oh well ill be there with the black 86gt but not sure what class
Ok, so now knowing this and sort of understanding it, how would YOU write the rules for that class?

These rulse sorta came about from Shawn (93 Pony) helping out last year. Trying to make things "fair" for both sides...

Would'nt it be as simple as no stroker's in the stock block class? [Confused]

Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :

I think ill bring my 88 t-bird.Hmmmm....yeah.

Posted by RiddlerGT (Member # 113) on :

So if im running a lightning with a whipple and the bottle with slicks am I in 3a?

Posted by Sharky (Member # 5984) on :

do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?

Posted by RixSikCobra (Member # 5058) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sharky:
do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?

I believe ya just show. That's what I'm doin'.

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by Sharky:
do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?
I believe ya just show. That's what I'm doin'.

Correct, just show up and pay at the gate... then have fun.

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

Can anyone here recomend someone to "represent" CA Fords and Fords in General to help tech cars and place them in the appropriate classes?

Someone who is fair/honest and good with people would be ideal, and if they know both Ford AND GM that would be perfect.

One or two people would be great so lemme know who would do a good job.

Thanks.

Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :

johnb 93pony jeffs twisted5.4 [patriot]

Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE:
johnb 93pony jeffs twisted5.4

and of coruse teamsolo for both sides [Razz]

Posted by RixSikCobra (Member # 5058) on :

Cummins [burnout]

Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:
Cummins

Posted by phil a (Member # 3596) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
Can anyone here recomend someone to "represent" CA Fords and Fords in General to help tech cars and place them in the appropriate classes?

Someone who is fair/honest and good with people would be ideal, and if they know both Ford AND GM that would be perfect.

One or two people would be great so lemme know who would do a good job.

Thanks.

that sounds like a lot of fun. i'd be willing to show up early and help tech, whyte lie - so just pm me if you want!

phil

Posted by sean04 (Member # 4863) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by Sharky:
do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?
I believe ya just show. That's what I'm doin'.
Correct, just show up and pay at the gate... then have fun.

Hey Whyt lie do you know if I can bring my bike to the event? Just wondering if there were going to be any open brackets.

Thanks

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sean04:

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by Sharky:
do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?
I believe ya just show. That's what I'm doin'.
Correct, just show up and pay at the gate... then have fun.
Hey Whyt lie do you know if I can bring my bike to the event? Just wondering if there were going to be any open brackets.

Thanks

Sorry, no bikes allowed. Bikes require MUCH more expensive insurance...

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sean04:

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by Sharky:
do we have to sign up for that event. Or we just show up?
I believe ya just show. That's what I'm doin'.
Correct, just show up and pay at the gate... then have fun.
Hey Whyt lie do you know if I can bring my bike to the event? Just wondering if there were going to be any open brackets.

Thanks

Sean,
Get that silver hoopty of yours down to the shop Tues, Weds, or Thurs & we'll throw it on the rollers to make sure the A/F is cool....that way you can kick some Cheby butt on Sunday. [Smile]

Or, I can bring the wideband & laptops to the track on Sunday & dial it in there.
Let me know.

Posted by RixSikCobra (Member # 5058) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:
Cummins

Come on, Park....why ya hatin' on your boy [Wink]

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:
Cummins

Come on, Park....why ya hatin' on your boy

hahahahahah just saw this now. I'd love to do it! I'm probably the most unbiased intelligent level headed person in this place and I promise to be nice to everyone, especialy all the caford peeps who would get "special" treatment!

Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :

quote:
Originally posted by cummins:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:

quote:
Originally posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE:

quote:
Originally posted by RixSikCobra:
Cummins

Come on, Park....why ya hatin' on your boy
hahahahahah just saw this now. I'd love to do it! I'm probably the most unbiased intelligent level headed person in this place and I promise to be nice to everyone, especialy all the caford peeps who would get "special" treatment!

Don't hold Your breath. [Big Grin]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

Ok, still looking for that "actually" unbiased person who knows at a minimum Mustangs/Fords and hopefully knows about Chevy's too.

Please tell me someone who will be there who can help in this aspect?

Posted by CDT (Member # 5004) on :

I have a question? So are carb. cars not allowed?

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by CDT:
I have a question? So are carb. cars not allowed?

Carb cars are not allowed at this event. If they were, you would be seeing this:

Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
Ok, still looking for that "actually" unbiased person who knows at a minimum Mustangs/Fords and hopefully knows about Chevy's too.

Please tell me someone who will be there who can help in this aspect?

If you still need someone, let me know.

Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:
Ok, still looking for that "actually" unbiased person who knows at a minimum Mustangs/Fords and hopefully knows about Chevy's too.

Please tell me someone who will be there who can help in this aspect?

Maybe Drew Yellow94gt? I would but I don't know enought I guess, I don't know I would mess something up I guess. If you still don't have anybody by Saturday night I will help out John.

Posted by sean04 (Member # 4863) on :

Thanks [/qb][/QUOTE]Sean,
Get that silver hoopty of yours down to the shop Tues, Weds, or Thurs & we'll throw it on the rollers to make sure the A/F is cool....that way you can kick some Cheby butt on Sunday. [Smile]

Or, I can bring the wideband & laptops to the track on Sunday & dial it in there.
Let me know. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the offer sean, but Ive got a buyer for my car and Id hate to hurt it before he picks it up. If I bring up a silver hoopty its going to be all wheel drive.

Are they running a true street tire class?? [Big Grin]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sean04:
Thanks

Sean,
Get that silver hoopty of yours down to the shop Tues, Weds, or Thurs & we'll throw it on the rollers to make sure the A/F is cool....that way you can kick some Cheby butt on Sunday. [Smile]

[/QB][/QUOTE]

Our "slow" bracket class is true street tire... What all wheel drive vehicle do you have?

Posted by jph331 (Member # 665) on :

I know of several people that would like to attend this event but have been told due to being carburated they would not be allowed. I realize this has been organized as an efi event but maybe a grudge lane with no rules would benefit everyone.

Posted by sean04 (Member # 4863) on :

[/QB][/QUOTE]

Our "slow" bracket class is true street tire... What all wheel drive vehicle do you have? [/QB][/QUOTE]

mitsu evo, yes i know its not a ford

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

Can I jump on the bandwagon and bring my 89 lx. I just have street tires and bottle along with the normal bolt on's. What class would that be under? I've only been to testNtunes but would like to try this event out if I could.

Posted by bullitt4110 (Member # 6586) on :

Do you have to pay for parking? I am just going to be spectating. Its $10 to spectate right?

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bullitt4110:
Do you have to pay for parking? I am just going to be spectating. Its $10 to spectate right?

I don't believe you have to pay to park. $10 per person to get into the gates. They might allow you to pay $5 more to park inside the gates so you don't have to park in the dirt/gravel lot out front...

As far as the imports (even the cool, fast ones) and the carbed cars, sorry. This is strickly an EFI event.

We will be having our annual Shootout in the fall (Sept 10th again) and carbed cars will not just be allowed, but welcomed at that event.

Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

As far as the imports (even the cool, fast ones) and the carbed cars, sorry. This is strickly an EFI event.

We will be having our annual Shootout in the fall (Sept 10th again) and carbed cars will not just be allowed, but welcomed at that event.

why was there a 67-69 camaro in the field when it was expressed so firmly early on that no "early models" were allowed no matter if EFI or not?? Was that just to keep chris molinari from running today?
[Confused]

Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :

I believe the Camaro was classed as Outlaw and wanted to run, so he running in the #1 lane (re-runs and loser bracket). If Chris' car was running, and EFI, he woulda been fine to run Outlaw. He has a aftermarket block, correct? I seriously doubt the classes were setup *just* to keep *him* from running.

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:
I believe the Camaro was classed as Outlaw and wanted to run, so he running in the #1 lane (re-runs and loser bracket). If Chris' car was running, and EFI, he woulda been fine to run Outlaw. He has a aftermarket block, correct? I seriously doubt the classes were setup *just* to keep *him* from running.

Correct, thanks John.

I didn't classify that 1st Gen Camaro, someone else must have. There were 3 or 4 of us that had the "rules sheet" and a shoe polish pen putting people in classes. It was not clear on the sheet what class they were in so the 1st gen was put in Outlaw. But it was a totally stock LS1 in there running high 13's. Not too safe to run cars with such a ET/MPH difference at the same time, so I switched him to the "Stock Bracket" class. I guess next time we can make it more clear that transplanted EFI cars CAN race in the bracket class.

As far as Chris Molinari (ChrisM), no, he was not even thought about for this event or rules, so hopefully neither you nor him think he ranks that highly with EVERY online car community. I personally have no issues with Chris, in person that is. Online he is a total dick and he knows it. Some of the members at Norcal have issues with him and I'm pretty damned sure that Chris has issues with Norcal and some of our members, but NOTHING was decided on because of ONE PERSON. [Roll Eyes]

I'd like to thank the track workers for making this event run much smoother then the last event. Pulling the classes could have been done a little smoother and more consistant, but so far that is the ONLY complaint I have heard.

I'd like to thank all the volunteers for making this event run smooth and a big thanks to JohnB from this board for helping tech/classify cars.

And a big thanks for all the racers and spectators. Without you, there wouldn't have been anything to do or watch, and our event would have been a failure.

As it stands I think the vast majority had a great time and I/we look foward to more events in the future.

Thanks again,

Brian (WHYT LIE)(ZO SIC)(PRVT JKR for the day)

Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :

im not cheerleading for him, simply asking a question.....

Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :

It was a great event Brian and one of the funnest days I have ever had at the track. Big thanks to you and all the Norcal staff and members. Can't wait for the next one! [patriot]

Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :

but on a lighter note.......great event, expected a few more local ls1 guys woulda been there but i guess they were all busy/down ?? good stuff though......

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:
I believe the Camaro was classed as Outlaw and wanted to run, so he running in the #1 lane (re-runs and loser bracket). If Chris' car was running, and EFI, he woulda been fine to run Outlaw. He has a aftermarket block, correct? I seriously doubt the classes were setup *just* to keep *him* from running.
Correct, thanks John.

I didn't classify that 1st Gen Camaro, someone else must have. There were 3 or 4 of us that had the "rules sheet" and a shoe polish pen putting people in classes. It was not clear on the sheet what class they were in so the 1st gen was put in Outlaw. But it was a totally stock LS1 in there running high 13's. Not too safe to run cars with such a ET/MPH difference at the same time, so I switched him to the "Stock Bracket" class. I guess next time we can make it more clear that transplanted EFI cars CAN race in the bracket class.

As far as Chris Molinari (ChrisM), no, he was not even thought about for this event or rules, so hopefully neither you nor him think he ranks that highly with EVERY online car community. I personally have no issues with Chris, in person that is. Online he is a total dick and he knows it. Some of the members at Norcal have issues with him and I'm pretty damned sure that Chris has issues with Norcal and some of our members, but NOTHING was decided on because of ONE PERSON.

I'd like to thank the track workers for making this event run much smoother then the last event. Pulling the classes could have been done a little smoother and more consistant, but so far that is the ONLY complaint I have heard.

I'd like to thank all the volunteers for making this event run smooth and a big thanks to JohnB from this board for helping tech/classify cars.

And a big thanks for all the racers and spectators. Without you, there wouldn't have been anything to do or watch, and our event would have been a failure.

As it stands I think the vast majority had a great time and I/we look foward to more events in the future.

Thanks again,

Brian (WHYT LIE)(ZO SIC)(PRVT JKR for the day)

I understand that you may have issues with Chris Molinari. However, being that you are a coordinator of track events, it is unprofessional to speak about someone in this fashion - especially on a site where he cannot come up and defend himself. Just my 2 cents....

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:
I believe the Camaro was classed as Outlaw and wanted to run, so he running in the #1 lane (re-runs and loser bracket). If Chris' car was running, and EFI, he woulda been fine to run Outlaw. He has a aftermarket block, correct? I seriously doubt the classes were setup *just* to keep *him* from running.
Correct, thanks John.

I didn't classify that 1st Gen Camaro, someone else must have. There were 3 or 4 of us that had the "rules sheet" and a shoe polish pen putting people in classes. It was not clear on the sheet what class they were in so the 1st gen was put in Outlaw. But it was a totally stock LS1 in there running high 13's. Not too safe to run cars with such a ET/MPH difference at the same time, so I switched him to the "Stock Bracket" class. I guess next time we can make it more clear that transplanted EFI cars CAN race in the bracket class.

As far as Chris Molinari (ChrisM), no, he was not even thought about for this event or rules, so hopefully neither you nor him think he ranks that highly with EVERY online car community. I personally have no issues with Chris, in person that is. Online he is a total dick and he knows it. Some of the members at Norcal have issues with him and I'm pretty damned sure that Chris has issues with Norcal and some of our members, but NOTHING was decided on because of ONE PERSON.

I'd like to thank the track workers for making this event run much smoother then the last event. Pulling the classes could have been done a little smoother and more consistant, but so far that is the ONLY complaint I have heard.

I'd like to thank all the volunteers for making this event run smooth and a big thanks to JohnB from this board for helping tech/classify cars.

And a big thanks for all the racers and spectators. Without you, there wouldn't have been anything to do or watch, and our event would have been a failure.

As it stands I think the vast majority had a great time and I/we look foward to more events in the future.

Thanks again,

Brian (WHYT LIE)(ZO SIC)(PRVT JKR for the day)
I understand that you may have issues with Chris Molinari. However, being that you are a coordinator of track events, it is unprofessional to speak about someone in this fashion - especially on a site where he cannot come up and defend himself. Just my 2 cents....

I understand. What specifically did I say that you think is wrong? I didn't "say"/type anything that I wouldn't say through IM, PM, e-mail, phone conversation or face to face about/to Chris.

I have always thought that if you have or are willing to say it directly to that person then it isn't "talking behind their back."

Like I said, I have ZERO issues with Chris in person, but online I don't think anyone can honestly say he is a good person. Just different personalities from online to in reality.

If you still think this is unprofessional, then I'll edit my post, or apologize. I don't like editing things because you can't do that in real life either. I said it and I'll stick to it, I think before I speak/talk. So if I make a mistake, it is proper for people to see that and then be able to read my apology and make a decision for themselves.

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

No don't edit your post if that's how you feel then stick to it. It doesn't look unprofessional at all you're calling it like you see it. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then its a FN duck! I've never met Chris in person but online he does comes across as a whiney ignorant pissy dirty haired poorly dressed scummy lil bitch. Him as an asshole? I can certainly see that but he'd take that as a compliment because he thinks he got to you and because he'd be the topic of conversation. He strikes me more as a lost puppy looking for acceptance. I kinda feel sorry for the sap. Maybe I'll put some Puppy Chow in a bowl and place it outside my front door. But, although he looks like a mangey ungroomed scrappy lil mut that's been kicked in the head a few too many times, I'll still stay at arms length and will not pet him. He'd give me fleas!

[ May 10, 2006, 02:17 AM: Message edited by: cummins ]

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

Whyt Lie...

I could understand if Chris himself came onto this site and questioned whether your rules were intended to keep him out of the race. However, the person who raised this question was Jayl, not Chris Molinari.

In my opinion, you could have easily stated that any/all cars with EFI were allowed and that Chris Molinari could have ran his car at the event if he showed up - end of subject.

Yes, Chris likes to stir stuff up on the net. And, you may feel strongly about what you said. However, to bring it up at a time when a simple question was asked, you could have answered it with a simple answer. The fact that this thread has now turned into a Chris M conversation is proof enough that your own words created drama.

I'll drop the subject, ask that you DO NOT edit your post, as you said, you cannot edit real life. I only ask that you think before you speak. You are now in a position where you are trying to get people to show up to your races...I for one would second guess racing in an event just because of the immature way in which you brought personal problems with Chris into a post that did not warrant them.

[ May 10, 2006, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Team SOLO ]

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
Whyt Lie...

I could understand if Chris himself came onto this site and questioned whether your rules were intended to keep him out of the race. However, the person who raised this question was Jayl, not Chris Molinari.

In my opinion, you could have easily stated that any/all cars with EFI were allowed and that Chris Molinari could have ran his car at the event if he showed up - end of subject.

Yes, Chris likes to stir stuff up on the net. And, you may feel strongly about what you said. However, to bring it up at a time when a simple question was asked, you could have answered it with a simple answer. The fact that this thread has now turned into a Chris M conversation is proof enough that your own words created drama.

I'll drop the subject, ask that you DO NOT edit your post, as you said, you cannot edit real life. I only ask that you think before you speak. You are now in a position where you are trying to get people to show up to your races...I for one would second guess racing in an event just because of the immature way in which you brought personal problems with Chris into a post that did not warrant them.

While I can understand where you are coming from I still disagree. I don't think I started any drama. I try my best to be totally honest and up front about everything, and if drama occurs from that, then so be it.

I don't feel that you really read what I wrote or understood me. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PERSONAL ISSUES/PROBLEMS with Chris Molinari!!! Hopefully that was clear.

As for the unprofessional manner in which I brought it up, I disagree. I can understand how some people will lump my "personal" words in with my "professional" words, but I don't see how that would change how the event was run or how much fun or how many runs people got.

I do think about what I say and hardly ever have to take anything back or edit my posts. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

You don't consider THIS here drama, do you? I see this as an intelligent conversation (minus the above comment from Cummins) between two adults with different views. I respect your views and take them under advisement...

Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :

I thought the event was great! A lot of fast cars and the rules/classes seemed to be really fair. It was fun and I give props for having it run as smoothly as it did. It's not easy promoting and running an event like this. Excellent job!

Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:

I for one would second guess racing in an event just because of the immature way in which you brought personal problems with Chris into a post that did not warrant them.

Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :

Dropping it per request of the site moderators...

Posted by WHYT LIE (Member # 5925) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AaronC:
I thought the event was great! A lot of fast cars and the rules/classes seemed to be really fair. It was fun and I give props for having it run as smoothly as it did. It's not easy promoting and running an event like this. Excellent job!

Thank you for the kind words... I think most everyone shares these same feelings. I know that the Norcal staff and I left the track happy and feeling like it went well.

Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :

quote:
Originally posted by WHYT LIE:

quote:
Originally posted by AaronC:
I thought the event was great! A lot of fast cars and the rules/classes seemed to be really fair. It was fun and I give props for having it run as smoothly as it did. It's not easy promoting and running an event like this. Excellent job!
Thank you for the kind words... I think most everyone shares these same feelings. I know that the Norcal staff and I left the track happy and feeling like it went well.

Agreed

Posted by F8LPONY (Member # 11) on :

Not me!

I left the track burnt to a crisp and slightly nauseous... [Razz]

Ohh, and that I couldnt race made me even more mad. Damn you Norcal! Hahaha

Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :

quote:
Originally posted by F8LPONY:
Not me!

I left the track burnt to a crisp and slightly nauseous...

Ohh, and that I couldnt race made me even more mad. Damn you Norcal! Hahaha

didnt see you there......probably because we were in the nosebleed section of the bleachers.....melting the fat......

Posted by F8LPONY (Member # 11) on :

Ohh damn, I didnt know you guys were there. I didnt see you around Nick and Chris's trailers when we all first got there so I thought maybe you had work or something. lol I'd came and talked some shit with you guys for a bit [Smile]

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