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Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Wasup guys. Since ive bought my 5.0 ive done a few mods to it. Wondering whats my next best mod that i should do. Dnt have alot of money at the moment so i want nothing crazy. Just a little more hp. Any suggestions ans how much it will cost?

These are the things ive done to car.
New auto tranny with shift kit
New rear end, axels, 3.73 gears
Bbk cold air
Bbk o/r hpipe
2 chamber flows.

It feels strong and powerful. Im guessing gears do that. I just want a little more. Any suggestions?

[ 2014-05-14, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: SacGrown89GT ]
 
Posted by MaK_1967v8 (Member # 12187) on :
 
cant go wrong with H/C/I on pretty much anything.
 
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on :
 
nitrous and or boost
 
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
Convert it a 5 speed like this guy did and it woke his car up

http://californiafords.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=060705

[ 2014-05-14, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: racsirx ]
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
cant go wrong with H/C/I on pretty much anything.
Yeah but thats kinda pricy. Cant even do that at the moment. But want to
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by racsirx:
Convert it a 5 speed like this guy did and it woke his car up

http://californiafords.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=060705
I seen that. And yeah i know it would make a dif but i chose auto cause i drive freeway too much. Traffic and 5spd dnt mix. Idk i might still do it whenever my tranny goes. Who knows when that will b tho i just got it done about a yr ago. Any other suggestions?
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
longtubes, 1.7 crane roller rockers, cobra/edelbrock intake, weight reduction.
 
Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on :
 
Do a cam swap or roller rockers.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Yeah im thinkin cam next. Just waitin on my mechanic to have time.
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
no need for a cam with stock heads...
 
Posted by Ferrerski (Member # 13125) on :
 
I spent a ton of $$$ before I did the T5 swap. Not until then, was I satisfied with my Fox. Even with the 4.10s, shift kit, AND super charger... it was boring with the AOD.
 
Posted by Z06-FTMFW (Member # 3164) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Yeah im thinkin cam next. Just waitin on my mechanic to have time.
Hit up Dan Turbo50, he does side work...

hahaha this is a JOKE!

In my opinion cheap HP= NOS. Not good for your car but if you do it right, it will last a good amount of time

[ 2014-05-14, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: Z06-FTMFW ]
 
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ferrerski:
I spent a ton of $$$ before I did the T5 swap. Not until then, was I satisfied with my Fox. Even with the 4.10s, shift kit, AND super charger... it was boring with the AOD.
Yes I agree that's why I told him to do a 5 speed conversion
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Yeah ive drove my boys stock notch with just exhaust and 5 speed makes a huge diff. I will do a 5spd swap but when my aod goes out. My boy has a e303 laying around will i will use since im going for smog legal. And ill do 1.7 RRs and i have to do my valve gaskets so ima do a upper and lower as well. I think once i sell all my audio ill be good to go. What you guys think? E303, 1.7 rr, and maybe a cobra upper and lower?
 
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Yeah ive drove my boys stock notch with just exhaust and 5 speed makes a huge diff. I will do a 5spd swap but when my aod goes out. My boy has a e303 laying around will i will use since im going for smog legal. And ill do 1.7 RRs and i have to do my valve gaskets so ima do a upper and lower as well. I think once i sell all my audio ill be good to go. What you guys think? E303, 1.7 rr, and maybe a cobra upper and lower?
If you install an E303 cam in, also you will need to do a converter to get it to work and you won't see much difference
 
Posted by 90GT510 (Member # 9199) on :
 
Nitrous.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Damn. Guess ima wait till tranny goes then 5spd
 
Posted by 98 ROUSH (Member # 10309) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 90GT510:
Nitrous.
+1 Cheapest hp you can buy. A little 75 shot will definitely wake the car up when you want to go FAST.
 
Posted by Saleen 00-0768 (Member # 9379) on :
 
If your afraid of the nitrous, a good set of heads like afr165s or TFS 170s will make a good size difference that you will feel. I would compliment them with a cheap Explorer intake n prolly get an extra 50hp+ to the wheels with out needing a tune. This is somthing most mechanically inclined people can do if they have the right tools, a tq wrench ect.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saleen 00-0768:
If your afraid of the nitrous, a good set of heads like afr165s or TFS 170s will make a good size difference that you will feel. I would compliment them with a cheap Explorer intake n prolly get an extra 50hp+ to the wheels with out needing a tune. This is somthing most mechanically inclined people can do if they have the right tools, a tq wrench ect.
Not afraid of nitrous just dont want that. I think im going to sell audio. And save up a little. And i will do h/c/i soon.
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ferrerski:
I spent a ton of $$$ before I did the T5 swap. Not until then, was I satisfied with my Fox. Even with the 4.10s, shift kit, AND super charger... it was boring with the AOD.
Take bets you still had a stock converter in it. You need to change your verter once you change gears. Well 98% of the time.
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
S-trim
 
Posted by 3cRider (Member # 10052) on :
 
I gained a significant amount of power and made the engine rev a lot quicker by adding electric fans to my car. Don't expect a TON of power, but it's a worthwhile mod that increases power and torque across the rev range, kills the noisy stock mechanical fan and opens up the bay in front of the motor. Like I said, don't expect a TON of power, but with the mods you have, I'd add some nice headers (shorties for smog or LTs if you don't care), pulleys and an electric fan setup for a nice bump in power without killing your bank account. Just my two cents

I gained 11hp and 22 lb-ft at the wheels pretty much across the rev range by swapping my mechanical fan for my Flex-a-lite units.

Dyno graph here:
http://www.mustangandfords.com/project-vehicles/1305-project-smog-legal-killer/photo-gallery/#20

[ 2014-05-14, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: 3cRider ]
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3cRider:
I gained a significant amount of power and made the engine rev a lot quicker by adding electric fans to my car. Don't expect a TON of power, but it's a worthwhile mod that increases power and torque across the rev range, kills the noisy stock mechanical fan and opens up the bay in front of the motor. Like I said, don't expect a TON of power, but with the mods you have, I'd add some nice headers (shorties for smog or LTs if you don't care), pulleys and an electric fan setup for a nice bump in power without killing your bank account. Just my two cents

I gained 11hp and 22 lb-ft at the wheels pretty much across the rev range by swapping my mechanical fan for my Flex-a-lite units.

Dyno graph here:
http://www.mustangandfords.com/project-vehicles/1305-project-smog-legal-killer/photo-gallery/#20
I forgot to mention. I also have shorty bbk headers. Yeah im thinkin of electic fan. I have one but i think its too small. Me not knowing i needed a certain size i got a 12" fan. Too small
 
Posted by 88coupe (Member # 7719) on :
 
Get some underdrive pullies if you have not yet, good bang for the buck mod and easy to install.
 
Posted by Beastly GT500 TVS (Member # 9723) on :
 
Do not do a cam swap with stock heads. You are wasting money.Your best bet is to save and do at least heads and intake. If money allows do cam at same time. You want a little more power up the timing to 13-15 degrees and must run 91.
 
Posted by Beastly GT500 TVS (Member # 9723) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 88coupe:
Get some underdrive pullies if you have not yet, good bang for the buck mod and easy to install.
Upgrade the alt 1st or you will discharge at idle
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 88coupe:
Get some underdrive pullies if you have not yet, good bang for the buck mod and easy to install.
After looking these up i think i will do just that. Thanks!
 
Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on :
 
When I did a cam change on my 289 with stock heads I noticed a decent change in torque and a increased rpm range. Given that he's opened up his exhaust I would expect a similar change plus it's relatively cheap and allows him to grow that much more power when he gets some aftermarket heads. The biggest change in power for me besides the supercharger though was putting on the trickflow heads. I did under drive pulleys before and was not impressed with the gain. I think he would be better off with a hci even if he can't purchase it all at the same time.

[ 2014-05-15, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: Secnd2nun64 ]
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
3g upgrade was done a out two weeks ago. If i can get under drive pulleys cheap ill do within this week. And ill keep an eye out for h/c/i
 
Posted by MaK_1967v8 (Member # 12187) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
quote:
Originally posted by MaK_1967v8:
cant go wrong with H/C/I on pretty much anything.
Yeah but thats kinda pricy. Cant even do that at the moment. But want to
Its really not that pricey, to be honest. GT40 heads, and the cobra intake can be found on craigslist all day long. Mother's automotive machining does an excellent job on heads ( I've never taken mustang heads, but they just rebuilt the heads on my 4Runner because it blew the headgasket, they came back to me flawless ) The only thing I'd buy brand new ( which is still inexpensive ) is the cam.

Good luck, I'm sure i'll see you around sacramento.
 
Posted by P.B.R .stangs (Member # 6544) on :
 
Electric fan swap from a mark 8, contour, or taurus, and under drive pulleys. Then do HCI when you can. Pick n pull usually has 5liter explorers you can pull the gt40p heads and the intake which flow about the same as a cobra intake. Then buy a alphabet cam and roller rockers and call it a day until you do a 5-speed swap.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
[patriot]
 
Posted by king_jays_50 (Member # 9513) on :
 
U can get some gt40's and an explorer intake from picknpull for less than $150, have the heads gone through that'll be another $50-$125 and that should wake it up a lil bit with that e303 cam then all u need is some rockers and a bigger throttle body and there u have it! U could also do bigger injectors as well
 
Posted by quickblue302 (Member # 7912) on :
 
Get a tune! My car went from a 15.1 to a 14.4 with a chip and UDPs
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Im trying to tune it as we speak. Car runs fone. Starts fine. But when i kick a/c on shuts off
 
Posted by KARATExxCHUCK (Member # 12851) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saleen 00-0768:
If your afraid of the nitrous, a good set of heads like afr165s or TFS 170s will make a good size difference that you will feel. I would compliment them with a cheap Explorer intake n prolly get an extra 50hp+ to the wheels with out needing a tune. This is somthing most mechanically inclined people can do if they have the right tools, a tq wrench ect.
He can't go aluminum heads. He wants to stay smog legal. Yes, you can buy smog legal aluminum heads, but then why go Al heads?
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KARATExxCHUCK:
quote:
Originally posted by Saleen 00-0768:
If your afraid of the nitrous, a good set of heads like afr165s or TFS 170s will make a good size difference that you will feel. I would compliment them with a cheap Explorer intake n prolly get an extra 50hp+ to the wheels with out needing a tune. This is somthing most mechanically inclined people can do if they have the right tools, a tq wrench ect.
He can't go aluminum heads. He wants to stay smog legal. Yes, you can buy smog legal aluminum heads, but then why go Al heads?
Most after market heads are smog legal. One of the biggest reason to go Aluminum heads is you get a 40-60lbs of weight taken off the front of the car. That in it self is good for a tenth.. I see lots of people saying do a cam swap. But say nothing about the valve springs in your old ass heads. Brand new stock springs have a .500 max lift. Your old used springs are more than likely in the .480 range. Almost all after market cams are .499 or bigger lift. That will run you into valve float, bent valves, and shit canned motor. After market heads have a .550 max lift or bigger spring. Another reason to get after market heads.
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:
Originally posted by KARATExxCHUCK:
quote:
Originally posted by Saleen 00-0768:
If your afraid of the nitrous, a good set of heads like afr165s or TFS 170s will make a good size difference that you will feel. I would compliment them with a cheap Explorer intake n prolly get an extra 50hp+ to the wheels with out needing a tune. This is somthing most mechanically inclined people can do if they have the right tools, a tq wrench ect.
He can't go aluminum heads. He wants to stay smog legal. Yes, you can buy smog legal aluminum heads, but then why go Al heads?
Most after market heads are smog legal. One of the biggest reason to go Aluminum heads is you get a 40-60lbs of weight taken off the front of the car. That in it self is good for a tenth.. I see lots of people saying do a cam swap. But say nothing about the valve springs in your old ass heads. Brand new stock springs have a .500 max lift. Your old used springs are more than likely in the .480 range. Almost all after market cams are .499 or bigger lift. That will run you into valve float, bent valves, and shit canned motor. After market heads have a .550 max lift or bigger spring. Another reason to get after market heads.
+1!
 
Posted by 90GT510 (Member # 9199) on :
 
Before u go hacking away at ur car keep in mind to do tasteful mods ex. headers. Keep it simple.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Yeah after all the feed back. I think all im going to do to car is 5spd later. Im not trying to go with internal mods. Might get a 65mm tb and ud pulleys. Advance timing a bit. And call it a day. Thanks guys
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Yeah after all the feed back. I think all im going to do to car is 5spd later. Im not trying to go with internal mods. Might get a 65mm tb and ud pulleys. Advance timing a bit. And call it a day. Thanks guys
Converter would wake the car up for now. Auto tranny is boring until you are making at least 500 hp, and the aod also needs a quality rebuild, Lentech Manuel valve body, and a good converter to make it fun to drive.
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Yeah after all the feed back. I think all im going to do to car is 5spd later. Im not trying to go with internal mods. Might get a 65mm tb and ud pulleys. Advance timing a bit. And call it a day. Thanks guys
Converter would wake the car up for now. Auto tranny is boring until you are making at least 500 hp, and the aod also needs a quality rebuild, Lentech Manuel valve body, and a good converter to make it fun to drive.
Yeah got a good rebuild. Shift kit and convertor installed. All about a year ago
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Yeah after all the feed back. I think all im going to do to car is 5spd later. Im not trying to go with internal mods. Might get a 65mm tb and ud pulleys. Advance timing a bit. And call it a day. Thanks guys
Converter would wake the car up for now. Auto tranny is boring until you are making at least 500 hp, and the aod also needs a quality rebuild, Lentech Manuel valve body, and a good converter to make it fun to drive.
Yeah got a good rebuild. Shift kit and convertor installed. All about a year ago
Nice have You done the VB yet? I went with Lentech VB & edge converter and it hooks up on the street or strip with a Detroit locker & mickeys! Fun car to drive IMO.
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
Oops dp

[ 2014-05-15, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: SmokinLX ]
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
Shit idk if they did the vb. my boy works at a transmission parts warehouse where he gets everything cheap. I just told em i wanted everything added to the rebuild. Honestly i just dropped car off at the shop and dude hit me up like 2 days later. car feels way better than other autos ive driven. So i dont know what vb i have. But yeah only thing i fkd up on( i ddnt know) is not putting new rear main seal. Im leaking a little bit of oil now

[ 2014-05-15, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: SacGrown89GT ]
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
VB?
Valve body.
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
Shit idk if they did the vb. my boy works at a transmission parts warehouse where he gets everything cheap. I just told em i wanted everything added to the rebuild. Honestly i just dropped car off at the shop and dude hit me up like 2 days later. car feels way better than other autos ive driven. So i dont know what vb i have. But yeah only thing i fkd up on( i ddnt know) is not putting new rear main seal. Im leaking a little bit of oil now
VB is the connected to the shifter & good od one will have a button or switch that gives U the extra selection 4 od so U can control each gear because stock one shares the drive and od selection so U can floor it in 3rd and it doesn't keep shifting between 3rd & od randomly & also can include a tranny brake that is great 4 staging & launching!
 
Posted by SacGrown89GT (Member # 7435) on :
 
I only use od on freeway.

I just know on 1- its only first gear. On D- its second and third. And on The next (D) its overdrive.

[ 2014-05-15, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: SacGrown89GT ]
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SacGrown89GT:
I only use od on freeway.

I just know on 1- its only first gear. On D- its second and third. And on The next (D) its overdrive.
Oh shit My bad it's been a long while since I swaped out!
 




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