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Posted by arodeast408 (Member # 11335) on :

Manteca killed a man with nothing on his hand except a seatbelt strap that got stuck to his hand no need for this to have happen there family would greatly appreciate it if you guys can repost this wherever to show the world how corrupt manteca pd is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZZY7PxdWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :

Why the stop in the first place

[ December 13, 2012, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: 50Reasons ]

Posted by arodeast408 (Member # 11335) on :

From what I heard is that they planted it in there after but still should have never got shot he should have drawn his tazer before his gun

Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on :

post that on local tv fb pages websites

Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on :

As I will agree that the officer discharged his weapon too many times, I can not say that he should not have discharged at all. The man got out of the truck and when officer said "hand up" he went back into the truck. The officer could not see through the truck to what he was grabbing and the officer felt his life was in danger. when the man came back out of the car it looked in the video that he had something in his hand. It was a split second decision the officer had to make, shot or be shot. The officer did not have time to double and triple check what the man had in his hand. He discharged his weapon. I would have done the same thing in that situation. I would have sent one shot into an appendage disabling the suspect, but not killing him. At that point I would survey the surroundings and if suspect tried to come at me I would discharge again. That is my opinion of course. The suspect did in no way deserve that many shots, or to die. I also agree that a taser should have been his first choice, but like I stated before he only had a second to make a decision. remember before he discharged his gun he was placing it back into his holster until the suspect went back into the truck. In a him or me situation, with that much uncertainty, I would want me to be the safest. If the suspect pulled a gun and the officer had a taser the suspect would have shot the officer and the taser would have possibly not been shot or maybe it was shot and suspect still shoots officer. This is a sticky situation, I am sorry for your friends family and loved ones and my prayers go out to them.

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

This is murder. People side with cops all day with that shot or be shot line. There's other weapons he could have used and kept the suspect alive. Until your in a situation like this and your the suspect you shouldn't say much. Yes dude got out all frantic like but a tazer would have put him out quick and he would have still been alive. Cops say they did because they wanted to make it home to there family, yea what about this guy who was murdered on his fucking doorstep? Does he get to see his family? No, and then you strip the guy naked and still can't find shit? I wish we could just line cops up and let the people judge them not no bias ass jury

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

So a jury doesn't count as people? What people should judge them if not a jury?

Posted by 8urgm (Member # 9054) on :

quote:
Originally posted by arodeast408:
Manteca killed a man with nothing on his hand except a seatbelt strap that got stuck to his hand no need for this to have happen there family would greatly appreciate it if you guys can repost this wherever to show the world how corrupt manteca pd is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZZY7PxdWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My wife is good friends with his brother David, homie didn't deserved to go out like that. They were protesting yesterday

Posted by 93bluecoupe (Member # 9681) on :

Dang watching that was crazy and it got removed off youtube already. RIP!

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 70mach351:
So a jury doesn't count as people? What people should judge them if not a jury?

You know what I stated that incorrectly. I think people directly from that neighborhood not including family or friends I was picked as a jury member for a murder in Richmond. I didn't want shit to do with it like come on now I live in Pitt pick someone who's actually affected by the situation

Posted by [SHO]TIME (Member # 8962) on :

Law enforcement is the largest gang in AMERICA! bottom line! nothing but a bunch of hot headed thieves! The reason shootings, and oops sorry wrong house home invasions happen is because we the people allow it! and this is the way its always going to be.

Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by [SHO]TIME:
Law enforcement is the largest gang in AMERICA!

Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on :

Welcome to your police state....

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...

Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...

1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.

Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on :

quote:
Originally posted by wilit:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...
1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.

+1.

Why try to go back into the car?

Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on :

quote:
Originally posted by wilit:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...
1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.

+2 completely avoidable.

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

quote:
1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.

I agree, if I was the officer I probably would've done the same. It's my safety before anyone elses. Anytime I get puled over I do exactly what Im told to do. I express my freedom of speech but thats all.I usually end up with no ticket and Iwould say about 80% of the cops are cool. Their main concerns at the moment are drugs and weapons. Sucks this happened to a family friend. Hopefully the public learns from this.

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

quote:
Originally posted by DEVERO2:

quote:
Originally posted by wilit:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...
1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.
+2 completely avoidable.

All he had to do was exactly what the officer told him to do. When you decide to do what you want in that situation, (worst move you can ever make since cops aren't perfect)Ofcourse the officer is going to be in fear and ready to shoot you because he doesn't know what ur capable of. It's very unfortunate situation because it could have been easily avoided

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

I agree, avoidable situation...

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

quote:
Originally posted by DEVERO2:

quote:
Originally posted by wilit:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
RIP, now lets see what the FACTS tell us on this particular incident...
1. The guy had a criminal history.
2. He did not comply with a legal police order to comply.
3. The cop could articulate a fear for his safety and justify it with items 1 & 2.

The cop will always win in this scenaro. Sucks to see someone lose their life over something so simple, but it was easily avoidable.
+2 completely avoidable.
All he had to do was exactly what the officer told him to do. When you decide to do what you want in that situation, (worst move you can ever make since cops aren't perfect)Ofcourse the officer is going to be in fear and ready to shoot you because he doesn't know what ur capable of. It's very unfortunate situation because it could have been easily avoided

Agreed. Still though, its a touchy situation

Posted by Robb (Member # 9444) on :

Look at the way he came out of the truck, He didnt follow directions and got shot. Now if he wouldve cooperated, things wouldve went like they should. Cops are ORDERED and TRAINED to shoot in situations like that. Now getting shot 11 times is alittle overkill but the situation itself, is completely justified judging by the way he came out of the truck erratically.

I there is a valuable lesson to be learned here. DONT ACT LIKE A CRAZY IDIOT WHEN AN OFFICER HAS A GUN POINTED AT YOU.

Posted by Vallejo707 (Member # 10296) on :

video got removed....

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121212/A_NEWS/121219977

quote:
MANTECA - The San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office has determined that the officer-involved shooting death of Ernesto Duenez last year was legally justified.

The District Attorney's Office, the Manteca Police Department and the California Department of Justice conducted a joint protocol investigation into the death of Duenez, 35, who was killed June 8, 2011, in the 200 block of Flores Avenue. The investigation, which included an analysis of Manteca police Officer John Moody's in-car audio and video unit, showed that Duenez was armed with an 8-inch, fixed-blade knife, the District Attorney's Office said.

Duenez was told to put his "hands up" and "drop the knife now," but he ignored repeated orders, the District Attorney's Office said. Moody then said, "Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you" and issued two more unheeded commands before opening fire, the District Attorney's Office said.

An autopsy showed Duenez was struck by 11 bullets, including one to the head, and that he had amphetamines and methamphetamine in his system when he died, the District Attorney's Office said.

Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
I agree, avoidable situation...

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121212/A_NEWS/121219977

quote:
MANTECA - The San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office has determined that the officer-involved shooting death of Ernesto Duenez last year was legally justified.

The District Attorney's Office, the Manteca Police Department and the California Department of Justice conducted a joint protocol investigation into the death of Duenez, 35, who was killed June 8, 2011, in the 200 block of Flores Avenue. The investigation, which included an analysis of Manteca police Officer John Moody's in-car audio and video unit, showed that Duenez was armed with an 8-inch, fixed-blade knife, the District Attorney's Office said.

Duenez was told to put his "hands up" and "drop the knife now," but he ignored repeated orders, the District Attorney's Office said. Moody then said, "Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you" and issued two more unheeded commands before opening fire, the District Attorney's Office said.

An autopsy showed Duenez was struck by 11 bullets, including one to the head, and that he had amphetamines and methamphetamine in his system when he died, the District Attorney's Office said.

Well thats unfortunate

Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :

Which part? The one that says justified or the one that says he had a knife while ignoring orders and hopped up on drugs?

Posted by arodeast408 (Member # 11335) on :

I respect all opinions but still say he should have not let off so many rounds but here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0GVZFwiP6Y&sns=em

Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :

Sad video to watch but that cop did what he needed to do. That woman didn't even listen to his orders and he didn't shoot her. Because she didn't have a weapon. If she picked up the knife she would most likely would have also been shot.

Reading the youtube comments was interesting to say the least. When you shoot someone your taught to shoot until the threat has been eliminated. Even after being shot 11 times he was STILL moving....... You can't expect a cop to aim for a leg in a situation like that. Your gonna aim center mass and lay down fire until they shop moving.

Also I'm not surprised Buris was his lawyer. That guy is one of the worst race baiting lawyers in the United States. If anyone deserves to be shot it's that guy.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

Hella sad video. Right or wrong that cop unloaded on him like a novice that never had to fire a gun in a real situation.........

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

Lots of cop bashing in here, not saying all cops are good cause i am sure there are some bad ones but this video right here is why police shoot
http://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc
This cop had every right to blow this dude away before he pulled the AR15 out. He threatened the officers life, tried attacking him. They show this video to new police officers so after seeing this video would you shoot or wait until its too late?

RIP to your friend and RIP to the cop in my video

[ December 13, 2012, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
Sad video to watch but that cop did what he needed to do. That woman didn't even listen to his orders and he didn't shoot her. Because she didn't have a weapon. If she picked up the knife she would most likely would have also been shot.

Reading the youtube comments was interesting to say the least. When you shoot someone your taught to shoot until the threat has been eliminated. Even after being shot 11 times he was STILL moving....... You can't expect a cop to aim for a leg in a situation like that. Your gonna aim center mass and lay down fire until they shop moving.

Also I'm not surprised Buris was his lawyer. That guy is one of the worst race baiting lawyers in the United States. If anyone deserves to be shot it's that guy.

Agree that situation could've been avoided however just can't grasp the fact that the cop unloaded crazily on him and still stood there with the gun in his hand. Then proceeds to handcuff the lifeless body....

Taken from Youtube comment

"i don't know about circumstances, but i am sure holding the gun like that for an extended time,after you already shot the guy eleven times and he is dead already, looks something is wrong with that cop"

RIP.

Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Lots of cop bashing in here, not saying all cops are good cause i am sure there are some bad ones but this video right here is why police shoot
http://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc
This cop had every right to blow this dude away before he pulled the AR15 out. He threatened the officers life, tried attacking him. They show this video to new police officers so after seeing this video would you shoot or wait until its too late?

RIP to your friend and RIP to the cop in my video

That was terrible to watch

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AL STOCK:

quote:
Originally posted by SLOWBACK 67:
Sad video to watch but that cop did what he needed to do. That woman didn't even listen to his orders and he didn't shoot her. Because she didn't have a weapon. If she picked up the knife she would most likely would have also been shot.

Reading the youtube comments was interesting to say the least. When you shoot someone your taught to shoot until the threat has been eliminated. Even after being shot 11 times he was STILL moving....... You can't expect a cop to aim for a leg in a situation like that. Your gonna aim center mass and lay down fire until they shop moving.

Also I'm not surprised Buris was his lawyer. That guy is one of the worst race baiting lawyers in the United States. If anyone deserves to be shot it's that guy.
Agree that situation could've been avoided however just can't grasp the fact that the cop unloaded crazily on him and still stood there with the gun in his hand. Then proceeds to handcuff the lifeless body....

Taken from Youtube comment

"i don't know about circumstances, but i am sure holding the gun like that for an extended time,after you already shot the guy eleven times and he is dead already, looks something is wrong with that cop"

RIP.

That's what cops are trained to do, unload the mag until the threat is neutralized. If the threat is still moving keep shooting.
LOL at the youtube comments about shooting him in the legs, that is impossible unless he was standing still.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ECOboostin:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Lots of cop bashing in here, not saying all cops are good cause i am sure there are some bad ones but this video right here is why police shoot
http://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc
This cop had every right to blow this dude away before he pulled the AR15 out. He threatened the officers life, tried attacking him. They show this video to new police officers so after seeing this video would you shoot or wait until its too late?

RIP to your friend and RIP to the cop in my video
That was terrible to watch

agreed

Posted by Robb (Member # 9444) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:
Lots of cop bashing in here, not saying all cops are good cause i am sure there are some bad ones but this video right here is why police shoot
http://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc
This cop had every right to blow this dude away before he pulled the AR15 out. He threatened the officers life, tried attacking him. They show this video to new police officers so after seeing this video would you shoot or wait until its too late?

RIP to your friend and RIP to the cop in my video

That video is exactly why I said it was justified. That could've easily turned into the same situation with the way the guy was acting.

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

He didn't have a gun(the dead guy)..... Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons? The officer's life was NOT in immediate danger, he also could've shot to injure rather than kill.. Statistically officers that fire their weapons, rarely ever only fire one or two shots- instead they tend to get trigger happy and fire away until their guns empty... unnecessary/avoidable death if you ask me.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
He didn't have a gun(the dead guy)..... Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons? The officer's life was NOT in immediate danger, he also could've shot to injure rather than kill.. Statistically officers that fire their weapons, rarely ever only fire one or two shots- instead they tend to get trigger happy and fire away until their guns empty... unnecessary/avoidable death if you ask me.

Its hard to say all that from watching the video. Police can't read minds and it happened so fast with the guy ducking back into the truck the cop couldn't know what he was doing. Tasers don't always work either.
Again police are TRAINED to unload the entire magazine at a threat, shooting to maim/injure is impossible on a moving target, you shoot for the biggest part of the body, the chest.

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
He didn't have a gun(the dead guy)..... Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons? The officer's life was NOT in immediate danger, he also could've shot to injure rather than kill.. Statistically officers that fire their weapons, rarely ever only fire one or two shots- instead they tend to get trigger happy and fire away until their guns empty... unnecessary/avoidable death if you ask me.
Its hard to say all that from watching the video. Police can't read minds and it happened so fast with the guy ducking back into the truck the cop couldn't know what he was doing. Tasers don't always work either.
Again police are TRAINED to unload the entire magazine at a threat, shooting to maim/injure is impossible on a moving target, you shoot for the biggest part of the body, the chest.

Cops are also trained to use sound discretion with making life altering judgement calls such as things like with this shooting, if he could not see what the man was reaching for then he should not have opened fire, Period, you cant open fire on someone and kill them because "you thought they were going for a gun" when instead he was reaching for..ummm whatever.. Sometimes some people are better left to not thinking at all, let alone make a judgement call like this.... Also the man did NOT charge/run at the officer in a threatening manner, the officer had enough reaction time to do something else, i.e call for back up, use his batton etc, in my eyes lethal force was not necessary....

[ December 13, 2012, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: ILLMNRD86 ]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
He didn't have a gun(the dead guy)..... Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons? The officer's life was NOT in immediate danger, he also could've shot to injure rather than kill.. Statistically officers that fire their weapons, rarely ever only fire one or two shots- instead they tend to get trigger happy and fire away until their guns empty... unnecessary/avoidable death if you ask me.
Its hard to say all that from watching the video. Police can't read minds and it happened so fast with the guy ducking back into the truck the cop couldn't know what he was doing. Tasers don't always work either.
Again police are TRAINED to unload the entire magazine at a threat, shooting to maim/injure is impossible on a moving target, you shoot for the biggest part of the body, the chest.
Cops are also trained to use sound discretion with making life altering judgement calls such as things like with this shooting, if he could not see what the man was reaching for then he should not have opened fire, Period, you cant open fire on someone and kill them because "you thought they were going for a gun" when instead he was reaching for..ummm whatever.. Sometimes some people are better left to not thinking at all, let alone make a judgement call like this.... Also the man did NOT charge/run at the officer in a threatening manner, the officer had enough reaction time to do something else, i.e call for back up, use his batton etc, in my eyes lethal force was not necessary....

I don't know dude. Try and put yourself in that cops position but do so after you've imagined the same scenario but the guy comes out with a gun in his hand. You didn't know what he was reaching for and now your being shot or shot at, would you still pause and wait to see what hes getting?
If the scenario was different and the dude jumped out put his hands in the air and the cop shot him 11 times for doing that then i would say the cop is a murderer but from this video the cop didn't know what he was doing and waiting around to find out could have cost him his life, he couldn't have known. If you were a cop who's life would be more important to you, you or the guy infront of you reaching for something you can't see.
I've been pulled over before and while the cop was talking to me, i moved my hand that was in my lap and the cop grabbed his gun and asked me what i was doing. When they pull over someone they don't know who you are or what your going to do or if you just had a really bad day and are in a bad mood, when i get pulled over now i keep my hands on the steering wheel the entire time.

[ December 13, 2012, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by Infamous5.0 (Member # 1745) on :

Cops are trained to shoot to kill. End of story! When they do target practice they aim for the heart or head. In this case the cop thought the victim (yes the victim because that's what he is regardless of whatever crime he was being accused of earlier. Accused doesn't mean he's guilty.) was going to detonate a bomb and since he felt like his life was in immediate danger he had to eliminate the threat by discharging his weapon until he ran out of bullets. If the victim was still moving even if it was his body going into shock the cop still felt threatened.

Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
He didn't have a gun(the dead guy)..... Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons? The officer's life was NOT in immediate danger, he also could've shot to injure rather than kill.. Statistically officers that fire their weapons, rarely ever only fire one or two shots- instead they tend to get trigger happy and fire away until their guns empty... unnecessary/avoidable death if you ask me.
Its hard to say all that from watching the video. Police can't read minds and it happened so fast with the guy ducking back into the truck the cop couldn't know what he was doing. Tasers don't always work either.
Again police are TRAINED to unload the entire magazine at a threat, shooting to maim/injure is impossible on a moving target, you shoot for the biggest part of the body, the chest.
Cops are also trained to use sound discretion with making life altering judgement calls such as things like with this shooting, if he could not see what the man was reaching for then he should not have opened fire, Period, you cant open fire on someone and kill them because "you thought they were going for a gun" when instead he was reaching for..ummm whatever.. Sometimes some people are better left to not thinking at all, let alone make a judgement call like this.... Also the man did NOT charge/run at the officer in a threatening manner, the officer had enough reaction time to do something else, i.e call for back up, use his batton etc, in my eyes lethal force was not necessary....
I don't know dude. Try and put yourself in that cops position but do so after you've imagined the same scenario but the guy comes out with a gun in his hand. You didn't know what he was reaching for and now your being shot or shot at, would you still pause and wait to see what hes getting?
If the scenario was different and the dude jumped out put his hands in the air and the cop shot him 11 times for doing that then i would say the cop is a murderer but from this video the cop didn't know what he was doing and waiting around to find out could have cost him his life, he couldn't have known. If you were a cop who's life would be more important to you, you or the guy infront of you reaching for something you can't see.
I've been pulled over before and while the cop was talking to me, i moved my hand that was in my lap and the cop grabbed his gun and asked me what i was doing. When they pull over someone they don't know who you are or what your going to do or if you just had a really bad day and are in a bad mood, when i get pulled over now i keep my hands on the steering wheel the entire time.

Agreed Dana.

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

To the OP I'm sorry for your loss. Alot of banter back and forth about the cop should have used a taxer or hit I'm in the leg, or used a baton. Reaction times come to split seconds, the cops goal is to go home at the end of the day not get stabbed or shot, he did not comply. To say the cop should wait or use a tazer is not for us to decide these guys are trained. I'm a fireman I don't just run into everything that's on fire you use your training to make judgement calls and to take someone's life is not an easy thing. It's horrible that we even have to have this discussion.

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

Some good info on this video in this post on calguns
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=656128

The officer was there to arrest a parolee, who was considered armed and dangerous and had been arrested and convicted before.
"Duenez had prior convictions for burglary, statutory rape, possession of controlled substances, felony evading arrest, vehicle theft, possession of a stolen vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon and participating in a criminal street gang"

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

From what I read in that definition and what I saw in that video, it seems to me that the officer shot too early...

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
From what I read in that definition and what I saw in that video, it seems to me that the officer shot too early...

Not if you look at the stills of the video, you can see the knife in the guys hand and he hasn't been shot yet. Its definitely sad but knowing the guys history, the way he acted and what he had in his hand, it was a justified shooting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247514/Graphic-footage-police-officer-fatally-shooting-man-ELEVEN-times-outside-home-released-day-cop-cleared-wrongdoing.html?ito=feeds-new sxml

EDIT: Cops are trained to keep shooting until the suspect stops moving

[ December 13, 2012, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :

After seeing that video I think it was justified.

Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :

Why would the cop flee? Turn run and risk getting stabbed or shot? Bottom line no compliance and didn't the DA find that he had a knife? As for the Bart shooting that officer went to jail right? No ones perfect and if it's not a clean shoot he would have been prosecuted. I know cops that have shot unarmed people and it was ruled a clean shoot, cop was getting his ass kicked and shot the guy.

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

"And video experts for the district attorney's office said it did look as though Duenez had a knife in his hand at the start of the footage. Yet they lost sight of it and did not know how it ended up in the bed.

He had allegedly been involved in a domestic disturbance that day with his wife and witnesses claimed he was carrying the knife and was known to carry a gun, but none was found at the scene."

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
From what I read in that definition and what I saw in that video, it seems to me that the officer shot too early...
Not if you look at the stills of the video, you can see the knife in the guys hand and he hasn't been shot yet. Its definitely sad but knowing the guys history, the way he acted and what he had in his hand, it was a justified shooting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247514/Graphic-footage-police-officer-fatally-shooting-man-ELEVEN-times-outside-home-released-day-cop-cleared-wrongdoing.html?ito=feeds-new sxml

Justified or not, I still think that it couldve been avoided or handled differently.. No matter if the dude was a drug addict gang member or not, does not mean that he should be shot down like a dog.. Also to be clear, I have no affiliation or relationship to that of the deceased. Just sharing my couple pennies... Here is a hypothetical question I want you to answer for me... " Say you and a group of friends head to the lake to enjoy a BBQ, everyone is having a good time. Then another group of people shows up and sets up not far. An argument ensues and a fight breaks out, a member from the opposing party that is an off duty cop pulls out a gun and shoots your friend in the head and kills him because he thought your friend was reaching for a gun, but your friend was only reaching for a cell phone".... Is that Okay or Not?

Posted by ECOboostin (Member # 4347) on :

That would be an excellent shot!

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
It gets old man... Hearing this type of shit "man shot by police while reaching for hotdog" We see it all too often, trigger happy cops.... Or what about the BART shooting? How do you explain that? Case and point if the officer cannot distinguish an immediate threat then there is no justification to open fire. You cant shoot people based on assumptions, If every cop reacted to a threat that way then there would be a hell of alot more police related homicides here in the US. you can see in the video that when the guy came out from the truck that he did not have a gun, though he had a knife the officer still had ample time to retreat for cover rather than use deadly force... And also officers are not trained too "UNLOAD" their weapons... maybe in Columbia or sinaloa mexico but not here in the US.

Either way, sad stuff RIP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
From what I read in that definition and what I saw in that video, it seems to me that the officer shot too early...
Not if you look at the stills of the video, you can see the knife in the guys hand and he hasn't been shot yet. Its definitely sad but knowing the guys history, the way he acted and what he had in his hand, it was a justified shooting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247514/Graphic-footage-police-officer-fatally-shooting-man-ELEVEN-times-outside-home-released-day-cop-cleared-wrongdoing.html?ito=feeds-new sxml
Justified or not, I still think that it couldve been avoided or handled differently.. No matter if the dude was a drug addict gang member or not, does not mean that he should be shot down like a dog.. Also to be clear, I have no affiliation or relationship to that of the deceased. Just sharing my couple pennies... Here is a hypothetical question I want you to answer for me... " Say you and a group of friends head to the lake to enjoy a BBQ, everyone is having a good time. Then another group of people shows up and sets up not far. An argument ensues and a fight breaks out, a member from the opposing party that is an off duty cop pulls out a gun and shoots your friend in the head and kills him because he thought your friend was reaching for a gun, but your friend was only reaching for a cell phone".... Is that Okay or Not?

Cop would be at fault since hes at a party i am assuming he was drinking which he can do off duty but carrying a gun while drinking or using that gun while drinking isn't.
This cop wasn't at a party he was doing a parolee arrest of a known violent offender who jumped out of the truck with a knife in his hands, your comparison has no meaning and i don't see the point either.
I also agree that would be a good shot.

Here is the 21ft drill, the cardboard figure is a man running with a knife at the chick. The officer and the suspect/victim were closer than 21ft.
http://youtu.be/wmZj6dYrNzk

[ December 14, 2012, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

say he was on duty under the same circumstances and shot and killed your friend in the same hypothetical scenario that i provided.... Would he still be at fault or would it be justified?

[ December 14, 2012, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: ILLMNRD86 ]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
say he was on duty under the same circumstances and shot and killed your friend in the same hypothetical scenario that i provided.... Would he still be at fault or would it be justified?

Your question is not a good one.
Was my friend reaching into his car to get his cell phone?
Was the cop with the other group or not?
Did the cop say freeze, show me your hands?
Where was my friend?
Why was the cop there?
Was my friend getting beat up at the time he was reaching for his cell phone?
Was the cop doing the beating?
Do me and my friend know hes a cop?
I need way more specifics.

[ December 14, 2012, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]

Posted by ILLMNRD86 (Member # 9987) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
say he was on duty under the same circumstances and shot and killed your friend in the same hypothetical scenario that i provided.... Would he still be at fault or would it be justified?
Your question is not a good one.
Was my friend reaching into his car to get his cell phone?
Was the cop with the other group or not?
Did the cop say freeze, show me your hands?
Where was my friend?
Why was the cop there?
Was my friend getting beat up at the time he was reaching for his cell phone?
Was the cop doing the beating?
Do me and my friend know hes a cop?
I need way more specifics.

Look, nice job in finding the only flaw in my question to avoid answering it.. [Wink]

I'll give you that... but either way we know where you stand and we know were I stand... 2 different views and perspectives. I can appreciate that but my point was by asking that question was to see what you would say if someone you knew was in similar circumstances, maybe that concept was too complex for you to understand but you do not seem stupid to me and seem like you might have decent perception so I thought you would be able to understand the point I was trying to get across...

[ December 14, 2012, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: ILLMNRD86 ]

Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
say he was on duty under the same circumstances and shot and killed your friend in the same hypothetical scenario that i provided.... Would he still be at fault or would it be justified?
Your question is not a good one.
Was my friend reaching into his car to get his cell phone?
Was the cop with the other group or not?
Did the cop say freeze, show me your hands?
Where was my friend?
Why was the cop there?
Was my friend getting beat up at the time he was reaching for his cell phone?
Was the cop doing the beating?
Do me and my friend know hes a cop?
I need way more specifics.
Look, nice job in finding the only flaw in my question to avoid answering it.. I'll give you that... but either way we know where you stand and we know were I stand... 2 different views and perspectives. I can appreciate that but my point was by asking that question was to see what you would say if someone you knew was in similar circumstances, maybe that concept was too complex for you to understand but you do not seem stupid to me and seem like you might have decent perception so I thought you would be able understand the point I was trying to get across...

Honestly can't answer the question without a better picture of whats going on.
I see where your trying to go with the question but it all depends on the scenario, it doesn't change what happened to this guy.

Posted by 90fox5.0 (Member # 9338) on :

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=LhnY17F_eiQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLhnY17F_eiQ

[ December 14, 2012, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: 90fox5.0 ]

Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on :

Oh man, what a can of worms this has become.

[ December 14, 2012, 03:27 AM: Message edited by: BLK35th ]

Posted by 04 S281 (Member # 9229) on :

quote:
Originally posted by LXjames:
You know what I stated that incorrectly. I think people directly from that neighborhood not including family or friends I was picked as a jury member for a murder in Richmond. I didn't want shit to do with it like come on now I live in Pitt pick someone who's actually affected by the situation

The whole point of a jury is to select a group of impartial people. Meaning, people with no prior knowledge or vested interest in the case. What you suggest is the exact opposite of that.

The job of a juror is to hear and see the evidence of the case as presented by the prosecution and defense, and make an informed, unbiased decision. How can a juror do that if the case directly impacts their neighborhood and/or family?

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

Scandalous, dude shot him 11 times in the back, and keeps the gun pointed at him to make sure that they clear the vacinity (front yard grass) GTFOH!

All the punk po-lice... Piture me rollin!

Posted by a302juGRnot (Member # 10163) on :

just saw both vids and its hard to say. i think the cop was scared to begin with and the dude should have listened to him. pple arent perfect including cops and criminals. both made a mistake but the cops mistake was done because the guy made the mistake of not putting his hands up.

i gotta say though is that 13 shots is excessive. i dont know if thats how they are trained to do but in that distance, i dont think 13 shots are necessary. if your that close, i think only a few are enough to put your threat down.

Posted by Stang66 (Member # 10504) on :

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
just saw both vids and its hard to say. i think the cop was scared to begin with and the dude should have listened to him. pple arent perfect including cops and criminals. both made a mistake but the cops mistake was done because the guy made the mistake of not putting his hands up.

i gotta say though is that 13 shots is excessive. i dont know if thats how they are trained to do but in that distance, i dont think 13 shots are necessary. if your that close, i think only a few are enough to put your threat down.

True, the cop's actions were erratic, as for everyone commenting on this, Manteca PD is full of hard ass trigger happy mofos that make me wonder who are the ones who are snorting some crack
I've had my share of Manteca pd assholes
I don't know how you can look suspicious wearing shorts and a tshirt wearing weight lifting gloves and still get searched for weapons/ drugs fuck Manteca pd

Posted by 92MaroonGT (Member # 10397) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121212/A_NEWS/121219977

quote:
MANTECA - The San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office has determined that the officer-involved shooting death of Ernesto Duenez last year was legally justified.

The District Attorney's Office, the Manteca Police Department and the California Department of Justice conducted a joint protocol investigation into the death of Duenez, 35, who was killed June 8, 2011, in the 200 block of Flores Avenue. The investigation, which included an analysis of Manteca police Officer John Moody's in-car audio and video unit, showed that Duenez was armed with an 8-inch, fixed-blade knife, the District Attorney's Office said.

Duenez was told to put his "hands up" and "drop the knife now," but he ignored repeated orders, the District Attorney's Office said. Moody then said, "Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you" and issued two more unheeded commands before opening fire, the District Attorney's Office said.

An autopsy showed Duenez was struck by 11 bullets, including one to the head, and that he had amphetamines and methamphetamine in his system when he died, the District Attorney's Office said.

RIP and sorry for your loss.

Honestly, The situation could have been prevented by him just cooperating. At first I thought he was going to run, until he turned back into the truck. Drugs and background have a lot to do with this.

But IMO,

1. 8" knife in hand
2. Disobeying what seems to be several commands by a police officer.
3. Doped up with amphetamines.

I would've shot him too. Maybe not 11 times, but I still would've shot him.

[ December 14, 2012, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: 92MaroonGT ]

Posted by 5Porn0 (Member # 6001) on :

What I don't get is, after shooting him MULTIPLE times why the fuck was he handcuffed??

Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on :

looks like dude fucked around an found out the hard way

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

Ok first couple of shots he looked to be alive but definitely gave up but come on keep firing till he was dead!? What kinda bullshit is that? [BS flag]

Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :

I need to get this off my chest.

First off I'd like to give a big LMFAO @ everyone on YouTube & CaFords who's got the nerve calling this officer a pussy. I'd LOVE to see anyone of you critics perform a felony stop or serve a search warrant of a know violent criminal without throwing up, pissing yourself or even worse shitting your pants beforehand.
Hell most of you guys probably have your heart rate to up when your being pulled over for tint, broken tail light & no cats LOL.

Posted by x Raelsmar x (Member # 9804) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 92MaroonGT:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121212/A_NEWS/121219977

quote:
MANTECA - The San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office has determined that the officer-involved shooting death of Ernesto Duenez last year was legally justified.

The District Attorney's Office, the Manteca Police Department and the California Department of Justice conducted a joint protocol investigation into the death of Duenez, 35, who was killed June 8, 2011, in the 200 block of Flores Avenue. The investigation, which included an analysis of Manteca police Officer John Moody's in-car audio and video unit, showed that Duenez was armed with an 8-inch, fixed-blade knife, the District Attorney's Office said.

Duenez was told to put his "hands up" and "drop the knife now," but he ignored repeated orders, the District Attorney's Office said. Moody then said, "Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you" and issued two more unheeded commands before opening fire, the District Attorney's Office said.

An autopsy showed Duenez was struck by 11 bullets, including one to the head, and that he had amphetamines and methamphetamine in his system when he died, the District Attorney's Office said.

RIP and sorry for your loss.

Honestly, The situation could have been prevented by him just cooperating. At first I thought he was going to run, until he turned back into the truck. Drugs and background have a lot to do with this.

But IMO,

1. 8" knife in hand
2. Disobeying what seems to be several commands by a police officer.
3. Doped up with amphetamines.

I would've shot him too. Maybe not 11 times, but I still would've shot him.

This topic seems really touchy but I agree with this guy. Sucks people have to die but when the Police say 'don't move or ill shoot you' you fucking don't move.

Posted by John91coupe (Member # 18) on :

quote:
Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:

quote:
Originally posted by 92MaroonGT:

quote:
Originally posted by fredfifty:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121212/A_NEWS/121219977

quote:
MANTECA - The San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office has determined that the officer-involved shooting death of Ernesto Duenez last year was legally justified.

The District Attorney's Office, the Manteca Police Department and the California Department of Justice conducted a joint protocol investigation into the death of Duenez, 35, who was killed June 8, 2011, in the 200 block of Flores Avenue. The investigation, which included an analysis of Manteca police Officer John Moody's in-car audio and video unit, showed that Duenez was armed with an 8-inch, fixed-blade knife, the District Attorney's Office said.

Duenez was told to put his "hands up" and "drop the knife now," but he ignored repeated orders, the District Attorney's Office said. Moody then said, "Ernie, don't you move or I'll shoot you" and issued two more unheeded commands before opening fire, the District Attorney's Office said.

An autopsy showed Duenez was struck by 11 bullets, including one to the head, and that he had amphetamines and methamphetamine in his system when he died, the District Attorney's Office said.

RIP and sorry for your loss.

Honestly, The situation could have been prevented by him just cooperating. At first I thought he was going to run, until he turned back into the truck. Drugs and background have a lot to do with this.

But IMO,

1. 8" knife in hand
2. Disobeying what seems to be several commands by a police officer.
3. Doped up with amphetamines.

I would've shot him too. Maybe not 11 times, but I still would've shot him.
This topic seems really touchy but I agree with this guy. Sucks people have to die but when the Police say 'don't move or ill shoot you' you fucking don't move.

^^^^Here ya go^^^^

Posted by fast305s (Member # 11897) on :

When you are told to freeze an put your hands in the air.. thats what you do. Not only for there saftey but also for yours. Its not a power trip or anything like that. You show the cops your hands an get on your face so he knows you are absoutly no threat. If your on drugs, and carrying a weapon, an you want to deliberately disobey an officer then things like this happen. Do I think that the police handle every situation correctly? No. But do I know there job decription? Do I know that tjere already on edge? Do I know what they deal with day in an day out? Yea I do. Do what they ask of you an you go home at the end of the day.

Very sad to here an my thoughts an prayers are with the victims family but this situation coulda ended with show me your hands

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...

how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.

Ok all cops arent pussies, but when unload 13 rounds from 15 feet to a guy with his back turned, ur either a real bad shot or a pussy. Seeing as tho he hit him 11 of those times i wudnt think hes that bad a shot. Seems excesive dont u think?

Posted by JUNKYARD5.0 (Member # 10398) on :

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.

Who the fuck runs around chasing police putting them in jail? Shit, you can commit the worse crime but you're innocent until proven guilty guess this cop wanted to let his gun do the talking and give dude the death penalty and avoiding a trial! [Mad]

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.
Ok all cops arent pussies, but when unload 13 rounds from 15 feet to a guy with his back turned, ur either a real bad shot or a pussy. Seeing as tho he hit him 11 of those times i wudnt think hes that bad a shot. Seems excesive dont u think?

did seem excessive to me too im not gonna lie.

Posted by MauriSSio (Member # 9943) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JUNKYARD5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.
Who the fuck runs around chasing police putting them in jail? Shit, you can commit the worse crime but you're innocent until proven guilty guess this cop wanted to let his gun do the talking and give dude the death penalty and avoiding a trial!

again, criminals run from cops. and thats the bottom line. but theyre tough enough to vandalize and commit crimes to unsuspecting and usually undeserving people.

Posted by 98Snake (Member # 183) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
Why the stop in the first place

Anyone correct me if I'm mistaken, but other news reports I've read said he was wanted for a domestic violence incident earlier in the day.

Posted by 98Snake (Member # 183) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
Whatever happened to non-Lethal force? i.e. tasers & batons?

I cannot confirm whether or not a knife was found, and I can only speculate based on some reports already given. But if the person shot was in fact holding an 8" knife, I pose this question:

Is an 8" knife a lethal or deadly weapon?
How do you feel an officer should handle a person with a deadly weapon?
Should the officer just have stayed behind his car and let him run away once he realized he wasn't going to cooperate?

Very sensitive subject, but based on all of the circumstances known to the public, it looks like this is a sad tragedy for all those involved.

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JUNKYARD5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by MauriSSio:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
how are cops the pussies when they're the ones who hardly ever run away?!?!? felons are the ones that see the cops and run, not the other way around.
Who the fuck runs around chasing police putting them in jail? Shit, you can commit the worse crime but you're innocent until proven guilty guess this cop wanted to let his gun do the talking and give dude the death penalty and avoiding a trial!

if I was the officer and felt like my life was in danger, yea you bet ur ass. they don't even make that much money and im sure they want to make it home at the end of their shift

its always in YOUR best intrest to show a police officer your not threatenting

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...

Ur a dumbass
easy to call a cop a pussy in hindsight

If a cop gets called to go so where no matter if ther scared or not and its there job to handle it and for not a lot of money at that

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
Ur a dumbass
easy to call a cop a pussy in hindsight

If a cop gets called to go so where no matter if ther scared or not and its there job to handle it and for not a lot of money at that

The fuck u just say? Do you know what hindsight even is?

Just because its your job, doesnt mean that there is only one way to do it. What does money have anything to do with this conversation anyway? I have a few friends that are cops, how much do u think they make?

Posted by Infamous5.0 (Member # 1745) on :

Ps. Cops make a lot of money!!!! Whoever says cops dont make a lot of money is a DUMBASS!!!

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Infamous5.0:
Ps. Cops make a lot of money!!!! Whoever says cops dont make a lot of money is a DUMBASS!!!

well I don't know what ur definition of a lot of money is lol

guess it depends on how u look at what they do

Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on :

this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:

quote:
Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
Ur a dumbass
easy to call a cop a pussy in hindsight

If a cop gets called to go so where no matter if ther scared or not and its there job to handle it and for not a lot of money at that
The fuck u just say? Do you know what hindsight even is?

Just because its your job, doesnt mean that there is only one way to do it. What does money have anything to do with this conversation anyway? I have a few friends that are cops, how much do u think they make?

hind·sight
noun
- Perception of the significance and nature of events after they have occurred

so to dumb it down for you what im saying is it is easy for one to see it one way without putting yourself in a cops shoes and actually doing their job

[ December 16, 2012, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: sneakyfox90 ]

Posted by 94 fobra (Member # 8867) on :

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.

That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez

Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

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Originally posted by 166 Merlot:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

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Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
Ur a dumbass
easy to call a cop a pussy in hindsight

If a cop gets called to go so where no matter if ther scared or not and its there job to handle it and for not a lot of money at that
The fuck u just say? Do you know what hindsight even is?

Just because its your job, doesnt mean that there is only one way to do it. What does money have anything to do with this conversation anyway? I have a few friends that are cops, how much do u think they make?
hind·sight
noun
- Perception of the significance and nature of events after they have occurred

so to dumb it down for you what im saying is it is easy for one to see it one way without putting yourself in a cops shoes and actually doing their job

Thanks Google! So lets dumb it up for u to understand:

How does the perception of the significance and nature of events after they have ocurred make it easy to call a cop a pussy - From MY perception?

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

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Originally posted by 166 Merlot:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

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Originally posted by 166 Merlot:

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Originally posted by sneakyfox90:

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Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
Lota cops are pussies, easy to say it easily avoidable- in hindsight. But he got buck blasted in the back... Cop looked hella scarred...
Ur a dumbass
easy to call a cop a pussy in hindsight

If a cop gets called to go so where no matter if ther scared or not and its there job to handle it and for not a lot of money at that
The fuck u just say? Do you know what hindsight even is?

Just because its your job, doesnt mean that there is only one way to do it. What does money have anything to do with this conversation anyway? I have a few friends that are cops, how much do u think they make?
hind·sight
noun
- Perception of the significance and nature of events after they have occurred

so to dumb it down for you what im saying is it is easy for one to see it one way without putting yourself in a cops shoes and actually doing their job
Thanks Google! So lets dumb it up for u to understand:

How does the perception of the significance and nature of events after they have ocurred make it easy to call a cop a pussy - From MY perception?

you see it one way but you aren't in their position

[ December 16, 2012, 04:42 AM: Message edited by: sneakyfox90 ]

Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on :

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

quote:
Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez

sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period

Posted by 94 fobra (Member # 8867) on :

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period

. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...

Posted by x Raelsmar x (Member # 9804) on :

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...

I have to disagree. It does suck the guy is dead. But c'mon. He was on meth, had been reported for the domestic violence earlier, had a record...the cops knew what they were doing. He pulled up, called him out by name and told him not to move numerous times! The guy continued to fidget with something in the truck, nobody knew what it was, coulda been a gun...fuck yeah I'm gonna shoot you before you shoot me, sorry. Like I said earlier, a cop with a gun out ready tells you not to move or ill shoot you, you don't fucking move. It is really unfortunate that people have to die but when you disobey a direct order and potentially threaten another life this is the end result. If you think the police are trigger happy pussies why provoke them?

Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on :

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Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...
I have to disagree. It does suck the guy is dead. But c'mon. He was on meth, had been reported for the domestic violence earlier, had a record...the cops knew what they were doing. He pulled up, called him out by name and told him not to move numerous times! The guy continued to fidget with something in the truck, nobody knew what it was, coulda been a gun...fuck yeah I'm gonna shoot you before you shoot me, sorry. Like I said earlier, a cop with a gun out ready tells you not to move or ill shoot you, you don't fucking move. It is really unfortunate that people have to die but when you disobey a direct order and potentially threaten another life this is the end result. If you think the police are trigger happy pussies why provoke them?

to add to this: officer was going to put his gun back in until dude went back into the truck

Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on :

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...

justin get your head out off your ass you dont to shoot a gun at someone to wound them you shoot at them to stop the threat an keep it stopped.an i have had a freind who in jan of 1998 you was killed by pittsburg pd an guess what he got what he had coming to him

Posted by 92MaroonGT (Member # 10397) on :

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...

Let me draw a knife on you in this situation and we will see if you feel your life is in danger. If you come at me with a knife, I'm not going to shoot one or two times. I'm going home to my wife and kids at the end of the day. I'm going to shoot until I personally feel safe. If that's 2 good, if its 11, a little excessive but still I am going home to my kids and wife.

He could have just cooperated with the cop, and none of this would be an issue. Served 24hrs for the DV warrant, and a couple years probation. Maybe enhanced because of the drugs. But because of his poor decision to 1) Run from a officer with a gun 2) pull a weapon out on an officer with a gun he unfortunately will not be able to learn from his mistake.

Posted by 92MaroonGT (Member # 10397) on :

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Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...
I have to disagree. It does suck the guy is dead. But c'mon. He was on meth, had been reported for the domestic violence earlier, had a record...the cops knew what they were doing. He pulled up, called him out by name and told him not to move numerous times! The guy continued to fidget with something in the truck, nobody knew what it was, coulda been a gun...fuck yeah I'm gonna shoot you before you shoot me, sorry. Like I said earlier, a cop with a gun out ready tells you not to move or ill shoot you, you don't fucking move. It is really unfortunate that people have to die but when you disobey a direct order and potentially threaten another life this is the end result. If you think the police are trigger happy pussies why provoke them?

+11111

Posted by 94 fobra (Member # 8867) on :

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Originally posted by 92MaroonGT:

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Originally posted by x Raelsmar x:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:

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Originally posted by 94 fobra:

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Originally posted by SETONKILL:
this is the way i look at this one less tweeker to be out trying rob an steal from hard working folks.
That's kinda fucked up dave that was one of my boys best friends and just because they found drugs in his system and a criminal record doesn't mean he deserved what he got....rip ernest dunez
sorry i dont have a bleeding pussy when comes to dope fiends,an if dude would have listen to the cops he would be sitting in living room right now period
. Its funny how heartless people can be when its not their loved one's...even if the cop thought his life was in danger which it wasn't he could have dropped the guy with one maybe two shots he was still shooting the guy when he was down and turned around....no reason to do what he did that was plain murder...
I have to disagree. It does suck the guy is dead. But c'mon. He was on meth, had been reported for the domestic violence earlier, had a record...the cops knew what they were doing. He pulled up, called him out by name and told him not to move numerous times! The guy continued to fidget with something in the truck, nobody knew what it was, coulda been a gun...fuck yeah I'm gonna shoot you before you shoot me, sorry. Like I said earlier, a cop with a gun out ready tells you not to move or ill shoot you, you don't fucking move. It is really unfortunate that people have to die but when you disobey a direct order and potentially threaten another life this is the end result. If you think the police are trigger happy pussies why provoke them?
+11111

I don't care about any of you guys opinions the dude was no threat to him even if the cop seen a knife he wasn't comming after hit so why put 11 rounds in the guy one maybe two and he would have been down...

Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :

You obviously never shot anyone.

1-2 shots hardly ever is enough 6-7 now we are talking and even this isnt full proof if the shots arent placed well. Especially from a low velocity pea shooter .40 cal.

Posted by 94 fobra (Member # 8867) on :

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Originally posted by Fostang:
ive obviously never shot anyone correctly..

1-2 shots hardly ever is enough 6-7 now we are talking and even this isnt full proof if the shots arent placed well. Especially from a low velocity pea shooter .40 cal.

Its funny that you say that because he dropped after two shots did you watch the video or are you just speaking based off of assumption???? Oh and i fixed your sentence....

[ December 17, 2012, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: 94 fobra ]

Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :

*shakes head*

The only way you are going to stop someone from a single shot is if you disconect the cerebral cortex. Otherwise its a waiting game for them to bleed out.

Son Ive seen more people than anyone should have to see or be part of die from gunshots. It takes a while for a determined individual to finally succumb to their injuries.

This is not your game "call of duty" you play in your mamas basement.

***BTW I'm done with this I was simply stating facts not here to monday morning quarter back why the officer shot 11 times or 2*****

Regardless someone lost their life its a no win for anyone involved.

[ December 17, 2012, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Fostang ]

Posted by SETONKILL (Member # 7277) on :

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Originally posted by Fostang:
*shakes head*

The only way you are going to stop someone from a single shot is if you disconect the cerebral cortex. Otherwise its a waiting game for them to bleed out.

Son Ive seen more people than anyone should have to see or be part of die from gunshots. It takes a while for a determined individual to finally succumb to their injuries.

This is not your game "call of duty" you play in your mamas basement.

***BTW I'm done with this I was simply stating facts not here to monday morning quarter back why the officer shot 11 times or 2*****

Regardless someone lost their life its a no win for anyone involved.

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