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Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Ive been going to the gym for about a year and ive gotten some nice muscle gains but its kinda hard to see it under the fat...my question is has anyone loss a large amount of weight here and if there is how did you do it and if there is anyone else that has any good ideas please elaborate thanks an advance...
Posted by Black_Sedan281 (Member # 11498) on
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I lost 30 pounds in a month and a half by doing 3 miles a day. And gym for a hour.
Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on
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fool proof plan = Eat less, move more.
Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on
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Water Run Water! No fast food!
Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on
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Cardio ... Plain and simple and lots of it. Eating habits also. Have to watch the calorie intake. And stay away from fatty foods. Jogging or walking or the treadmill. And when you feel hungry but have already had a meal, drink a lot of water, this will cure the appetite. The difference between hunger and an appetite is hunger is the need to eat and an appetite is the desire to eat.
Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on
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Cut the fast food (all of it) Cut the soda (all of it). Try to cut back on alchohol, drink wine if you wana get jacked up. Run RUN RUN RUN. Don't eat late. Eat whole foods (nothing processed). Portion you meals, it takes at least 20 minutes for your stomach to tell your brain that you are full. Go for a short walk after your meals (gets your stomach acid going and digesting).....Oh yea, RUN. Stretch in the morning and stretch at night.
I went from 250lbs of damn near obese fat to 200 lbs of regular fat, but still healthy.
Try not to suppliment too much, there are too many untested side effects. Im betting that NOTHING sold at places like GNC has been tested for over 5 years.
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Thank you guys for your input...its like i know what i have to do but its soooo hard to do it ive been eating whatever i want for 27 years and now all of a sudden im trying to build structure and its hard...
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
Thank you guys for your input...its like i know what i have to do but its soooo hard to do it ive been eating whatever i want for 27 years and now all of a sudden im trying to build structure and its hard...
i was just born sexy... ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by crazyhorse (Member # 5662) on
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The healthiest way to lose weight is gradual so you don't lose muscle in the process. Its down to calories in < calories out. Meaning you need to calculate how many calories your body burns and eat less than that. There is a great online calculator I use for this. hope it helps
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
[ March 02, 2012, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: crazyhorse ]
Posted by Layzie650 (Member # 10274) on
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That's 80% dieting and 20% working out. Mainly run and do swim workouts with lots a sauna time. Most important is the dieting. Right now I'm Trying to gain so I'm on a even 2 hour meal diet.
Posted by cees87drop (Member # 4066) on
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Originally posted by Layzie650:
That's 80% dieting and 20% working out. Mainly run and do swim workouts with lots a sauna time. Most important is the dieting. Right now I'm Trying to gain so I'm on a even 2 hour meal diet.
Learn to like fish and chicken breast. Two high protein and low calorie foods. Learn to feed your body what's best for it instead of what taste the best.
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on
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run, run, and run...if you want to lose fat, you gotta run. you can lift also but thats only going to give you more muscle and not necessarily lose weight.
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
run, run, and run...if you want to lose fat, you gotta run. you can lift also but thats only going to give you more muscle and not necessarily lose weight.
Im not worried about losing weight well yea i kinda am but my main objective is to lose fat i want to get to about 10-12% body fat at 260...
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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My little brother lost a lot of weight by cutting out soda N chips completely N by running everyday. He still eats like a fatass lol
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on
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It REALLY IS as easy as eating better choices and walking/jogging etc. Do those things differently consistently and you'll lose fat.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
Thank you guys for your input...its like i know what i have to do but its soooo hard to do it ive been eating whatever i want for 27 years and now all of a sudden im trying to build structure and its hard...
Grab hold of your nuts and do it. Ask Jared from subway who lost weight doing nothing but cardio and eating right did for all that loose skin. You need to incorporate aerobic workout and anaerobic workouts to keep your body toned. Remember go heavy when at a calorie defecit to best maintain the muscle mass you've built.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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I drop 20lbs on and off during the year at least 3-4 times. And how I do it is by upping my cardio (of course) and changing my eating habits to the 1g of protein for every pound I weigh. I find that usually makes me have to eat more often and more cals, but they are good cals. And conducive to energy consumption. I also use this free eating plan website www.sparkpeople.com. It is free and the meal plans are solid. They even give you a weekly shopping list. I learned a lot from this site. Also if you get into a solid cardio routine, have a personal trainer give you your target heart rate. And ask them to use the "Karvonen" method. There is a sweet spot for maximum fat burning, most people do not know that.
Good luck, if you ever see me at the gym feel free to hit me up. I am currently in my slim down lean up phase.
[ March 02, 2012, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by 68stanger:
fool proof plan = Eat less, move more.
Not necessarily. He is trying to bulk too. So he needs to eat more to sustain that. But eat smarter, better, and in smaller yet more frequent increments. Fat loss and bulking together is a tough one. But it can be done.
Posted by MikeD. (Member # 8060) on
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I lost about 36lbs in 3 months on a NO carb diet. It's super tough but works crazy fast. Then... I got pretty sick, lost another 10. Once I got better, I ate shitty, stopped hitting the gym and gain about 15 back over a year. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
need to get my fat ass back on it though. No more motivation though.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
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Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
run, run, and run...if you want to lose fat, you gotta run. you can lift also but thats only going to give you more muscle and not necessarily lose weight.
Im not worried about losing weight well yea i kinda am but my main objective is to lose fat i want to get to about 10-12% body fat at 260...
10-12% body fat and 260 ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Damn that is some Arnold stats right there. Very doable. But damn, that is A LOT of muscle.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by 68stanger:
fool proof plan = Eat less, move more.
Not necessarily. He is trying to bulk too. So he needs to eat more to sustain that. But eat smarter, better, and in smaller yet more frequent increments. Fat loss and bulking together is a tough one. But it can be done.
What he is trying to do is impossible there's no way around it. You can't be in a calories surplus to bulk an a defecit to slim down it's simple physics. If your trying to gain mass and look leaner you need to lower your carbs and try to remove some of the water weight and eat clean healthy proteins and fats.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
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Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
run, run, and run...if you want to lose fat, you gotta run. you can lift also but thats only going to give you more muscle and not necessarily lose weight.
Im not worried about losing weight well yea i kinda am but my main objective is to lose fat i want to get to about 10-12% body fat at 260...
10-12% body fat and 260
Damn that is some Arnold stats right there. Very doable. But damn, that is A LOT of muscle.
Arnold was 240 pounds 5% body fat which is a lot
Leaner than 10-12% that's night and day difference.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by 68stanger:
fool proof plan = Eat less, move more.
Not necessarily. He is trying to bulk too. So he needs to eat more to sustain that. But eat smarter, better, and in smaller yet more frequent increments. Fat loss and bulking together is a tough one. But it can be done.
What he is trying to do is impossible there's no way around it. You can't be in a calories surplus to bulk an a defecit to slim down it's simple physics. If your trying to gain mass and look leaner you need to lower your carbs and try to remove some of the water weight and eat clean healthy proteins and fats.
Not impossible at all (but I will agree very difficult). I do it. Granted I may not have as much fat as he does. But I walk around at about 210-215 daily. But if I have a match I get down to 190-195. And during that phase I intensify my resistance training and up my cardio. Works like a charm. And I bulk up to the point where I look like I should weigh more. But I actually drop.
[ March 02, 2012, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
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Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
run, run, and run...if you want to lose fat, you gotta run. you can lift also but thats only going to give you more muscle and not necessarily lose weight.
Im not worried about losing weight well yea i kinda am but my main objective is to lose fat i want to get to about 10-12% body fat at 260...
10-12% body fat and 260
Damn that is some Arnold stats right there. Very doable. But damn, that is A LOT of muscle.
Arnold was 240 pounds 5% body fat which is a lot
Leaner than 10-12% that's night and day difference.
I know it is not exactly Arnold. But that is very ambitious. I would tell him shoot for 14-18% if I were his trainer. But I say shoot for the moon. Go after that goal.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on
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Run and hike. I went from 240 with 18 inch biceps to 200 with 16.5 inch biceps. I don't lift anymore. I just run and hike. Muscle make ems slow on the fire line.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
Seriously gents this is not entirely true. I can think of 2 scenarios where this would happen quite frequently. It happens with people that are just beginning bodybuilding or rigorous training. And folks coming off a long layoff from the rigorous training. Now is it something sustainable? Maybe not. But accelerated muscle gains and fat loss is not unheard of. Like I said I routinely do it. Its all about shocking the system. But I do agree it is hard to sustain and it is more advisable to do one or the other first.
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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What exactly would you advise me to do n8?
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
Seriously gents this is not entirely true. I can think of 2 scenarios where this would happen quite frequently. It happens with people that are just beginning bodybuilding or rigorous training. And folks coming off a long layoff from the rigorous training. Now is it something sustainable? Maybe not. But accelerated muscle gains and fat loss is not unheard
of. Like I said I routinely do it. Its all about shocking the system. But I do agree it is hard to sustain and it is more advisable to do one or the other first.
You have a point a beginner can do this because the body is not used to being pushed but please explain scientifically how you can build muscle when your ate a calorie defecit which won't allow your body to gain mass. You might look bigger because you have less body fat and your muscle separation begins to show but there's no way you can get bigger on a cut
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
What exactly would you advise me to do n8?
What works for one person doesn't mean it would work for another you just need to figure out what works for you there's a lot of trial and error but you'll figure it out. But to lose weight I'd go 500 calories under maintenance meaning if you burn 2500 calories daily you would eat 2000 calories. Just make sure your macronutrients are in order.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
What exactly would you advise me to do n8?
First off, get your eating habits in check. Check out that website I posted, it gives very solid meal plans for your goals. Next I would love to take a look at your current workout regimen. Sometimes tweaking your workout is needed. For cardio get your target heart rate calculated. But all in all everyone gave really solid advice. I just wanted to point out that your goal(s) are not impossible.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
Seriously gents this is not entirely true. I can think of 2 scenarios where this would happen quite frequently. It happens with people that are just beginning bodybuilding or rigorous training. And folks coming off a long layoff from the rigorous training. Now is it something sustainable? Maybe not. But accelerated muscle gains and fat loss is not unheard
of. Like I said I routinely do it. Its all about shocking the system. But I do agree it is hard to sustain and it is more advisable to do one or the other first.
You have a point a beginner can do this because the body is not used to being pushed but please explain scientifically how you can build muscle when your ate a calorie defecit which won't allow your body to gain mass. You might look bigger because you have less body fat and your muscle separation begins to show but there's no way you can get bigger on a cut
Eat better cals, eat frequent cals, shock your system and supplement. I need not drop too far into cal deficit to lose weight. The last time I went through my cut and drop. I successfully dropped 17lbs yet gained a shirt size. Granted this time around I targeted my deltoids due to a shoulder injury, so they got huge. But I bulked and lost weight. I am telling you it is possible, and yes it is getting harder and harder for me to do. But I think that is mainly due to my age. But I agree with you blackfifty, it is not something I would advise and not everyone can do it or should. But it is possible.
[ March 02, 2012, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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lol so a guy is cutting weight by goo clean 1500-2000cal diet but gain weight too how? explain if he is workin out 2hrs a day output of 3000cals on a cut please explain?
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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forreal drop17lbs an gained a shirt size come on you should be on the biggest loser you would be a millionare by now wolf tickets
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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lol so a guy is cutting weight by goo clean 1500-2000cal diet but gain weight too how? explain if he is workin out 2hrs a day output of 3000cals on a cut please explain?
Nothing more really to explain other than that not only do I do it. But I have painted scenarios where it is entirely feasible. But I have also said it is a hard road to travel.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
forreal drop17lbs an gained a shirt size come on you should be on the biggest loser you would be a millionare by now wolf tickets
No wolf tickets here. I have met quite a few peeps here and they will more than likely tell you physically I walk the walk of everything I speak of. And I have no reason to lead Justin wrong. Shit we go to the same gym....
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
forreal drop17lbs an gained a shirt size come on you should be on the biggest loser you would be a millionare by now wolf tickets
No wolf tickets here. I have met quite a few peeps here and they will more than likely tell you physically I walk the walk of everything I speak of. And I have no reason to lead Justin wrong. Shit we go to the same gym....
That makes no sense you either lost seventeen pounds of water from all the supplements you take or your just a freak of nature that goes against physics because it's just outrageous you can lose that much weight and get bigger
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
forreal drop17lbs an gained a shirt size come on you should be on the biggest loser you would be a millionare by now wolf tickets
No wolf tickets here. I have met quite a few peeps here and they will more than likely tell you physically I walk the walk of everything I speak of. And I have no reason to lead Justin wrong. Shit we go to the same gym....
That makes no sense you either lost seventeen pounds of water from all the supplements you take or your just a freak of nature that goes against physics because it's just outrageous you can lose that much weight and get bigger
I kid you not. My shoulder width indeed got wider. Anyway, all I was saying to Justin is it is indeed possible to lose fat and bulk up. Especially if he is just beginning on his journey. As for me, I have no need to lie about this. I live it and have done it.
Posted by gray03gt (Member # 6427) on
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Not true at all that you can't lose weight and bulk up at the same time. Ive cut 30lbs and gained huge strength over that time period. You have to know what lifts are good, stay in form, etc. Try getting your diet worked out around your body type, endomorph, ectomorph, etc. Try lifting hard, not your max weight or anything, and take almost no breaks. It will keep your heart rate up and make the most of your time. It takes time and commitment, every beer or piece of crap food is only adding more time. 99% of it is in your head. You really probably aren't working nearly as hard as others do. No offense but it's not like your actually finding the limit.
I mean when you leave the gym, how straight can you even walk? You don't think there is anyone out there going 1 more rep or 1 more minute, yea right.
[ March 02, 2012, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: gray03gt ]
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Not true at all that you can't lose weight and bulk up at the same time. Ive cut 30lbs and gained huge strength over that time period. You have to know what lifts are good, stay in form, etc. Try getting your diet worked out around your body type, endomorph, ectomorph, etc. Try lifting hard, not your max weight or anything, and take almost no breaks. It will keep your heart rate up and make the most of your time. It takes time and commitment, every beer or piece of crap food is only adding more time. 99% of it is in your head. You really probably aren't working nearly as hard as others do. No offense but it's not like your actually finding the limit.
I mean when you leave the gym, how straight can you even walk? You don't think there is anyone out there going 1 more rep or 1 more minute, yea right.
Your 100% right i wasnt going all in like i should but from this day on im gonna try my best...thanks for all the input guys...
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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lol ok you can type till your finger are blue your body is either catabolic with less than enough cals to supply the enegy for daily activities or anabolic with more than the amount needed lol cant beat science bud i do t believe i nor ever will you cant build anabolic muscle while being in a catabolic state lol even if you were on steroids you would not be able to do it! lol
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
lol ok you can type till your finger are blue your body is either catabolic with less than enough cals to supply the enegy for daily activities or anabolic with more than the amount needed lol cant beat science bud i do t believe i nor ever will you cant build anabolic muscle while being in a catabolic state lol even if you were on steroids you would not be able to do it! lol
cool story bro.
Posted by x Raelsmar x (Member # 9804) on
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N8 knows his stuff. Dude is huge. Lol.
Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on
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lol ok you can type till your finger are blue your body is either catabolic with less than enough cals to supply the enegy for daily activities or anabolic with more than the amount needed lol cant beat science bud i do t believe i nor ever will you cant build anabolic muscle while being in a catabolic state lol even if you were on steroids you would not be able to do it! lol
Growth hormone actually mobilizes fat (adipose tissue) into free fatty acids and then ketones (ketogenesis) which essentially allows the body to use fat as an energy source. At the same time, GH also increases protein synthesis, RNA/DNA synthesis. So you can burn fat while building muscle. Steroids, in essence, basically act to the same effect in the body. Anabolism vs catabolism in muscle is not necessarily just calorically-based, but it is definitely easier to eat a ton of food, workout like crazy, then cut off the excess weight. Not too sure about a no/low-carb diet, as you'll need to have some carbs (stored as glycogen in muscle) to be able to sustain exertion.
Good luck OP. Like n8 was suggesting, keep your diet clean, cut back on late-night eating (hard to do sometimes), and keep at the cardio 3-4x/week. If you want to lose weight, another thing to remember is that ~3500cal = 1lb of body weight lost, so, if you are calorically-deficient by 500cal/day, you will lose 1lb by the end of the week. May not be what you're looking to do, but it's a neat trick to remember.
Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on
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Diet, diet, diet and exercise! Exercise is good, but you don't see big results without a diet plan. I lost 20lbs in one month by only drinking water, no fast food, less fatty/processed foods and by eating fiber enriched foods.. on top of that, I was doing P90X.. best freakin workout ever! HUGE muscle and strength gains in such a little amount of time. No gym needed. Hope you reach your goal Justin
Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on
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paleo diet. lost 20 lbs in a month tons of energy
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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paleo diet. lost 20 lbs in a month tons of energy
Please elaborate my good man...
Posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S (Member # 1633) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
wrong, i have lost 35 pounds so far in 8 months. and while i have been losing wieght and fat i have been converting it into lean muscle. i have lost inches in certain areas and have gained inches in the areas i wanted to. im thinner than i was when i started but im muscular in other areas.
when i started i wanted to get thinner and lose 50-60 pounds but i wanted to bulk up at the same time. i realized i had to focus on one or the other. i chose to convert my extra fat into muscle. i do little cardio to get the heart rate up and then i lift. i started out at 32% body fat and now i roughly 20-22% body fat.i dont eat junk but i also eat the most healthiest stuff either. i take in tons of protien daily and drink tons of water. i also try to eat something small every couple of hours to keep my metabolism going. if you dont eat your body starts to think its startving and stores your fat.
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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I lost 30lbs in the first 3 months of 2011 by following some basic rules:
- eating 5-6 times per day (lower fat, lower carb foods), all meals were about 200-400 calories.
- Mix of cardio and weights (never more than 45 min a day)
- 10+ cups of water a day
You know when you are cheating yourself.
Best of luck.
Posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S (Member # 1633) on
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Originally posted by gray03gt:
Not true at all that you can't lose weight and bulk up at the same time. Ive cut 30lbs and gained huge strength over that time period. You have to know what lifts are good, stay in form, etc. Try getting your diet worked out around your body type, endomorph, ectomorph, etc. Try lifting hard, not your max weight or anything, and take almost no breaks. It will keep your heart rate up and make the most of your time. It takes time and commitment, every beer or piece of crap food is only adding more time. 99% of it is in your head. You really probably aren't working nearly as hard as others do. No offense but it's not like your actually finding the limit.
I mean when you leave the gym, how straight can you even walk? You don't think there is anyone out there going 1 more rep or 1 more minute, yea right.
exactly
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S:
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Originally posted by triple b:
you cant bulk up and lose fat at the same time one or the other lose the fat and muscle first then bulk up muscle then cut the muscle to lean out that the way its always been
wrong, i have lost 35 pounds so far in 8 months. and while i have been losing wieght and fat i have been converting it into lean muscle. i have lost inches in certain areas and have gained inches in the areas i wanted to. im thinner than i was when i started but im muscular in other areas.
when i started i wanted to get thinner and lose 50-60 pounds but i wanted to bulk up at the same time. i realized i had to focus on one or the other. i chose to convert my extra fat into muscle. i do little cardio to get the heart rate up and then i lift. i started out at 32% body fat and now i roughly 20-22% body fat.i dont eat junk but i also eat the most healthiest stuff either. i take in tons of protien daily and drink tons of water. i also try to eat something small every couple of hours to keep my metabolism going. if you dont eat your body starts to think its startving and stores your fat.
i bet you believe muscle turns into fat if you dont workout too huh
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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you really want to lose weight get educated go see a doctor or registered dietitian no your local bodybuilder or heaven sake physical trainer there are people who have a Masters degree in this area and not just "certified" lol if you were really serious you would be asking the right questions to the right people and not on a car website
[ March 03, 2012, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: triple b ]
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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you really want to lose weight get educated go see a doctor or registered dietitian no your local bodybuilder or heaven sake physical trainer there are people who have a Masters degree in this area and not just "certified" lol if you were really serious you would be asking the right questions to the right people and not on a car website
There are lots of well rounded peeps here. You never know who knows what or has what degree in what. This is a car site, but if someone happened to come along and wanted to write a web service using JSON, I could help them. But oh yea, this is just a car site. No one is supposed to be knowledgeable in anything but right? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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dont get your panties in a bunch yeah it is just a car site "cafords" lol no i didnt say anyone here is stupid just putting my two cents out there but wait is that ok should I ask you first since you and a "select" few know how to build muscle and lose fat at the same time....jeez maybe you should patent your technique and be a millionare
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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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dont get your panties in a bunch yeah it is just a car site "cafords" lol no i didnt say anyone here is stupid just putting my two cents out there but wait is that ok should I ask you first since you and a "select" few know how to build muscle and lose fat at the same time....jeez maybe you should patent your technique and be a millionare
hahahha. your panties are in a bunch. I am cool, best believe. Like I said, I live it and do it. But to think that people cannot have valid views of nutrition, fitness or anything else because this is a "car site" is kinda single minded.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Like mike if could be like mike i mean N8
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on
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Riding a Bicycle instead of driving a car to work would help.
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Like mike if could be like mike i mean N8
Unwanted sarcasm ^^^
Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
Like mike if could be like mike i mean N8
Unwanted sarcasm ^^^
Just get a treadmill and run/walk for an hour to two hours everyday fully clothed and drink alot of water. And watch the calories, find a healthy diet plan that works for you and stick with it. Within a few months you certainly see a huge difference.
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BTW Justin. My brother in law, lost 20lbs in one month using the HCG diet. I am not a big fan of fad diets and this one runs you in extreme deficit mode. But there is also a cat at the gym, that is on it and albeit he is not necessarily on a bulking routine, but he is leaning out extremely fast. May be worth looking into. My only concern with that is sustainability of the loss. I would also research and ask my doc about the HCG thing.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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HCG is a fad look at the diet HCG with less than 1000k a day diet...any can drop weight on that meal plan with HcG or without no fad diet here i lost 30lbs on diet and exercise alone took 6 months but guess what the weigh didnt come back and now i dont have to be in the gym everyday to stay lean
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
dont get your panties in a bunch yeah it is just a car site "cafords" lol no i didnt say anyone here is stupid just putting my two cents out there but wait is that ok should I ask you first since you and a "select" few know how to build muscle and lose fat at the same time....jeez maybe you should patent your technique and be a millionare
hahahha. your panties are in a bunch. I am cool, best believe. Like I said, I live it and do it. But to think that people cannot have valid views of nutrition, fitness or anything else because this is a "car site" is kinda single minded.
here we go again i never said anything about not having a "valid" i said if he was seroius he would consult exactly what i mention above if fact if your in sacramento CVS has a sutter outpatient clinic that guarantees 30lbs weigh drop with consults with a MD. ITs legit as as gets no majic powder or drops of chemicals here N8 Your putting shit i didnt say outa context I sure you have valid results but as you said yourself"not everyone can do it like you" saracasim i guess since the rest of us cant be like you
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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back to fat loss dude if your serious drop fast food and soda and see aleast a 5lbs drop from that alone and then work on cutting carbs to the minimum you dont need to kill your self inthe gym if your diet is shitty you will end being a obese in guy tha can push heavy weights and exercise for an hour but goes home and pounds the the calories you just burned off and then more because the diet control is not there and your hella hungery after a had ass workout= going around in circles
Posted by jaehow23 (Member # 11230) on
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cardio is your friend.
I used to weigh 200lbs back in like 07, I broke my ankle and went all the way up to a peak of 306lbs 0_o
I started a diet May of last year, and May-Oct i went from 300+ to 250, running and eating right. Also in Oct I dislocated my left ankle and haven't been able to do any cardio because of the injury. Now I'm back up to 260, but I was just cleared from the Doc for light cardio so the journey starts again. My goal for the summer is 225ish...
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by triple b:
HCG is a fad look at the diet HCG with less than 1000k a day diet...any can drop weight on that meal plan with HcG or without no fad diet here i lost 30lbs on diet and exercise alone took 6 months but guess what the weigh didnt come back and now i dont have to be in the gym everyday to stay lean
There is a echo in here.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by triple b:
HCG is a fad look at the diet HCG with less than 1000k a day diet...any can drop weight on that meal plan with HcG or without no fad diet here i lost 30lbs on diet and exercise alone took 6 months but guess what the weigh didnt come back and now i dont have to be in the gym everyday to stay lean
There is a echo in here.
Ok I might echo to add any hormone therapy has risk and benefits sometime the risk outweighs the benefits such as in hormone therapy (HCG) the major risk is cancer but then again diets high in fats or calories is also related to cancer too
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Ok new plans you guys my new question is how do i maintain the muscle i have already built but cut this fat because walking around at over 300 is taking a toll on my body so for now i need to drop at least 50 pounds asap...
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
Ok new plans you guys my new question is how do i maintain the muscle i have already built but cut this fat because walking around at over 300 is taking a toll on my body so for now i need to drop at least 50 pounds asap...
up your cardio, drop the resistance training down. Start lifting lighter weight, more reps, less rest in between sets. Make use of super-setting too. Then get your target heart rate calculated, and make sure you touch that for at least 70-80% of the duration you are on the machine. As for diet still maintain the 1g of protein for every pound you weigh. And only eat foods you can hunt, forage or grow. Cut out processed foods, fast food and soda. When I shop I tend to "eat clean" (look up clean eating). Also I tend to buy products with 5 or less ingredients, when I can. If you have a smart phone grab the "Water Your Body" app. And use it faithfully. Oh and if you can afford it. Check out Crossfit 209 on Thornton. I go there on and off and it is great exercise and training.
Posted by triple b (Member # 8763) on
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eat clean and use the biggest muscles in you body your quads squat and climb stairs slowly concentrate on good form not fast....watchout some of these crossfit place dont care if you blow out your knees or any other joint research man research pros and cons and get a consult
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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Thank you guys for your input all of you guys have good info im going to try and form it to work for me...
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on
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To quote N8;
"As for diet still maintain the 1g of protein for every pound you weigh." This is incorrect.
looking at my college nutrition text book, I get the following formula to determine the proper protein intake;
.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight so when you convert kilos to pounds and run the numbers you get;
300 pounds divided by 2.2= 136
136X.8= 108 grams of protein.
Too much protein can enlarge your kidneys and may worsen existing kidney conditions. Second, Animal protein can be high in saturated fat and saturated fat is a risk factor for heart problems.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
To quote N8;
"As for diet still maintain the 1g of protein for every pound you weigh." This is incorrect.
looking at my college nutrition text book, I get the following formula to determine the proper protein intake;
.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight so when you convert kilos to pounds and run the numbers you get;
300 pounds divided by 2.2= 136
136X.8= 108 grams of protein.
Too much protein can enlarge your kidneys and may worsen existing kidney conditions. Second, Animal protein can be high in saturated fat and saturated fat is a risk factor for heart problems.
Not gonna waste my time on this one. Cheers
[ March 04, 2012, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on
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More info on protien intake:
Once again, to quote N8 "Not gonna waste my time on this one. Cheers"
Where deos N8 get his one gram of protien per pound of bdy weight calculation from?
More food for thought;
Q. How much protein does a bodybuilder need?
A. Medical authorities used to tell us that athletes, including bodybuilders, do not need extra protein. That was wrong. Solid research now shows that both hard training endurance and strength athletes do need more protein than a sedentary individual. But perhaps not as much as you may have been led to believe.
The August 1997 issue of The Physician and Sportsmedicine has the results of the latest research: "Based on a wide review of scientific data, current daily protein recommendations for serious strength trainers are about 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound (1.4 to 1.8 g/kg)." In other words, a 140-pound strength trainer needs 84 to 112 grams of protein per day and a 200-pounder 120 to 160 grams. If you are just trying to maintain muscle mass 0.6 grams per pound is enough, but if you're training hard to build muscle the protein requirement goes up to the high end of the range, 0.7 to 0.8 grams per pound of body weight.
So the bodybuilding magazines are correct in telling you that protein is the basic building material for muscle tissue, and that strength trainers need more than the average Joe or Jane What they don't emphasize, however, is that the average meat-eating American consumes more than enough protein to meet the needs of the hardest training athlete. Most Americans eat too many calories and too much protein. Protein conscious bodybuilders probably overshoot their need for this critical nutritional element by even more. Eat a balanced diet and consume enough calories to meet your energy needs and you will probably be getting more than enough protein for maximum muscle gains. (I make it a practice to consume some high quality protein with every meal or snack.)
By the way, female athletes usually have proportionally less muscle mass - and more fat - than male athletes; therefore, they need less protein as well. Nitrogen balance tests show that female endurance athletes require about 25% less protein than men. Female bodybuilders probably need a little more protein than that, because they have more muscle than other female athletes.
Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on
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Lets have some fun.
Suppose a 300 pound CAFORDS member follows N8's 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight? how do you meet it.
You could consume 6 cans of star light tuna to get 300 grams of protein, but then you also get 1500 calories.
What about fats and carbs? 1500 calories of protein does not leave much room for fat and carbohydrate calorie needs.
[ March 05, 2012, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
Lets have some fun.
Suppose a 300 pound CAFORDS member follows N8's 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight? how do you meet it.
You could consume 6 cans of star light tuna to get 300 grams of protein, but then you also get 1500 calories.
What about fats and carbs? 1500 calories of protein does not leave much room for fat and carbohydrate calorie needs.
SMH.... look I gave my advice. You gave yours. You didn't look up anything in any nutrition book. You googled, plain and simple. But just to play your google game.
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"As mentioned earlier, the RDA is 0.8 grams per kilogram of lean bodyweight (U.S. Food and Nutrition Board, 1980) for sedentary adults. For infants and children the RDA is doubled and tripled because of the rapid growth rate they experience. How did the researchers come up with this RDA and arrive at the figure that has been shunned by the bodybuilding community? Studies using nitrogen (a component of protein). have been conducted to see how much protein is used and absorbed before an excess condition results.
Researchers looked at the nitrogen balance and made comparisons to see if a positive or a negative balance had been occurring. They observed the outcome by comparing the amount of nitrogen excreted with the amount ingested, and then they determined whether or not protein was accumulating in the body, remaining at the same level, or decreasing.
The nitrogen balance test uses nitrogen loss in the form of sweat, urine, feces, shedding of skin, and loss of hair on a day-to-day basis. If there is a positive balance in nitrogen levels, it means there has been more nitrogen ingested than excreted, and so, tissue growth can be a direct result. A negative balance shows researchers that more nitrogen is being excreted than taken in, and this means, of course, that more protein is being lost than produced. Basically, the protein requirement for sedentary adults involves replacing routine losses-the task, so to speak, is to keep the leaky bucket topped up.
So why did researchers in North America come to the conclusion that the RDA is only a rationed 0.8 grams per kilogram? Well it seems they concluded that 0.36 grams per kilogram of lean bodyweight in protein is lost per day. With a safety margin in place, it has been bumped up to 0.45 grams per kilogram of lean bodyweight, and then bumped up again to approximately 0.75 grams per kilogram. This is to replace the amount which may be lost during digestion, as well as making up for a lack in quality of protein.
The general protein requirement for sedentary adults is just enough that if one follows this guideline they will supply themselves with enough amino acids to replace each day's loss without allowing for exercise and the growth of muscle tissue. It's ironic that the RDA for children (who are experiencing growth) is greater than the RDA for adults. The Academy of Sciences and the nutrition board insist that exercise (which leads to musculo-collagenous hypertrophy among other changes in the body) doesn't generate an increase in one's protein requirements (1). Note that RDA can vary from place to place; Russia, Denmark, and Britain have different RDA standards.
Exercise adds a new dimension to the issue because the body, with an increased need for protein, has to rely heavily upon dietary sources rather than draw from it's own stores. If this need is not met during exercise then the body will start to draw upon its muscle tissue as a source. Though it may seem that humans don't need much protein, the facts haven't been established as to how much an exercising individual should be taking in.
Recent research shows that the RDA doesn't appear to meet the needs of exercising adults. One of the top researchers in this field, Dr Peter Lemon, stated in a recent review paper that, "the RDA for those engaged in strength training should be about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day". Dr Lemon came to this conclusion after citing several studies (Fern, 1991, Tarnopolsky et al., 1992) which used amounts of protein ranging from 1.3 - 3.3 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight.
At Kent University researchers tested 3 different groups of people:
1. On a low protein diet which was 0.9 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight.
2. Another group eating 1.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight.
3. A group eating 2.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight.
Both sedentary and strength training groups were involved. The results showed that 1.4 grams resulted in protein synthesis while there were no changes in the low protein group and, finally, the group that ingested 2.4 grams of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4 grams of protein group.
Another study conducted at the Letterman Army Institute of Research in San Francisco showed that subjects on a higher protein intake (2.8 g/kg/day), coupled with intense strength training, gained a whopping 3.28 kg (7.2 lbs) of lean mass. The study was done over a 40-day period and the subjects were trained to near exhaustion (2). Another study of weightlifters over a 3 month period, with the protein increased from 2.2g/kg/day to 3.5 g/kg/ day, resulted in a 6% increase in muscle mass and a 5% increase in strength (3).
Susan M Klieiner, who holds a PhD in nutrition and human performance from Case Western Reserve University, states in her book, Power Eating, that for muscle building an intake of 1.6-2.2 grams per kilogram of bodyweight is recommended. Dr Michael Colgan, in Optimum Sports Nutrition, claims that the RDA doesn't meet the needs of athletes who train in an intense fashion. So, the evidence provided by some of the highly regarded "experts" in this field indicates that the addition of extra protein has been shown to display positive effects which produce muscle growth. "
And you do realize there are other sources of protein besides tuna right? Like I said earlier, I am not talking out the side of my neck. I am speaking on actual practices that I employ and have prescribed to others that is currently yielding results. Justin is an intelligent fellow. I am sure he could have just sat at home and googled till his heart was content. But I am sure he wanted to know what others are actually doing that works.
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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80% of CAFords is fat, I belong to the 20%. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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80% of CAFords is fat, I belong to the 20%.
me too, and I am probably one of the older members too.
But on the other hand, we should all be minding our health. One of my favorite quotes.
"Those who think they have not time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness." ~Edward Stanley
Justin
It is all in your goals and who you ask. If you ask a dietitian they are going to give you one view. their view may be a little closer to this.
http://www.meals.com/Meals-Tools/Protein-Calculator.aspx
You ask competitive athletes, sports trainers, sports physicians or folks involved in sports medicine you will get results somewhere along here
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calpro.htm
My take from actual application is that protein consumption outside what a sedentary person consumes is essential for protein synthesis. To put it simple I didnt get stronger or bigger until I upped my protein consumption.
[ March 05, 2012, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
To quote N8;
"As for diet still maintain the 1g of protein for every pound you weigh." This is incorrect.
looking at my college nutrition text book, I get the following formula to determine the proper protein intake;
.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight so when you convert kilos to pounds and run the numbers you get;
300 pounds divided by 2.2= 136
136X.8= 108 grams of protein.
Too much protein can enlarge your kidneys and may worsen existing kidney conditions. Second, Animal protein can be high in saturated fat and saturated fat is a risk factor for heart problems.
I would love to see what your nutrition teacher or the doctors who wrote that book look like. N8 is on point but I do 1.5 grams of "lean" body mass.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
80% of CAFords is fat, I belong to the 20%.
I was looking at some of the pictures from cruises and the one thing that came to my mind is that people are going to come up with a stigma that mustang owners are all fat.
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