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Originally posted by fstryde3:
This is probably going to incite another 10 page cafords bashing of law enforcement lol, let me be the first to say no officer on the street is seeing $188K they included benefits traning equipment etc etc damn shame they lay off people in a city that needs help, my dept has lost a ton of officer's the last 2 years its F'n sad!

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
This is probably going to incite another 10 page cafords bashing of law enforcement lol, let me be the first to say no officer on the street is seeing $188K they included benefits traning equipment etc etc damn shame they lay off people in a city that needs help, my dept has lost a ton of officer's the last 2 years its F'n sad!

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Just was stating the budget report of per officer pay and benefits. 188k per is pretty damn expensive.

From the OPD website " Starting salaries are among the highest in the state - over $70k + rich benefits package"

http://www.opdjobs.com/

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Originally posted by fstryde3:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

quote:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
This is probably going to incite another 10 page cafords bashing of law enforcement lol, let me be the first to say no officer on the street is seeing $188K they included benefits traning equipment etc etc damn shame they lay off people in a city that needs help, my dept has lost a ton of officer's the last 2 years its F'n sad!

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Just was stating the budget report of per officer pay and benefits. 188k per is pretty damn expensive.

From the OPD website " Starting salaries are among the highest in the state - over $70k + rich benefits package"

http://www.opdjobs.com/

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Yeah and you gotta patrol Oakland LOL only person I feel worse for is an LAPD colleague.

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
Although I am all for community policing walking the beats etc the fact is the dep.t has had a hiring freeze for a while,776 officers does not mean 776 patrol officers, and even if it was that is 776 for 409,186 citizens. And backup you ever been on a code 3 call you'd hope you had some backup too, thanks.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
Although I am all for community policing walking the beats etc the fact is the dep.t has had a hiring freeze for a while,776 officers does not mean 776 patrol officers, and even if it was that is 776 for 409,186 citizens. And backup you ever been on a code 3 call you'd hope you had some backup too, thanks.

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I had a code 3 (lights a siren) and it took 4 hours. A police pulled someone over across the street from where I was, I crossed the street and told him I had called the police an hour before, he told me I needed to wait, finished giving the guy a ticket and took off.

BTW Oakland has 1.91 officers per every 1,000 residents while the city your a police in has 1.43. Point in saying that I don't believe the city crime level decreases for every police officer it has. Responding to crimes do not reduce crimes

Also a city cannot be ran when the police takes up about 80% of it's budget

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Originally posted by fstryde3:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

quote:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
Although I am all for community policing walking the beats etc the fact is the dep.t has had a hiring freeze for a while,776 officers does not mean 776 patrol officers, and even if it was that is 776 for 409,186 citizens. And backup you ever been on a code 3 call you'd hope you had some backup too, thanks.

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I had a code 3 (lights a siren) and it took 4 hours. A police pulled someone over across the street from where I was, I crossed the street and told him I had called the police an hour before, he told me I needed to wait, finished giving the guy a ticket and took off.

BTW Oakland has 1.91 officers per every 1,000 residents while the city your a police in has 1.43. Point in saying that I don't believe the city crime level decreases for every police officer it has. Responding to crimes do not reduce crimes

Also a city cannot be ran when the police takes up about 80% of it's budget

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Look man I'm not trying to argue with you here I was working 12 hours shifts and i'm jsut trying to enjoy my Hennessey, but those numbers are way off and nowhere near what we have on the street not even close! Every city, every department is going to have issues I don't deny that but unless you have put on a badge and a vest you have no idea from reading numbers on a website. And yes I chose this line of work no excuses.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
Although I am all for community policing walking the beats etc the fact is the dep.t has had a hiring freeze for a while,776 officers does not mean 776 patrol officers, and even if it was that is 776 for 409,186 citizens. And backup you ever been on a code 3 call you'd hope you had some backup too, thanks.

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I had a code 3 (lights a siren) and it took 4 hours. A police pulled someone over across the street from where I was, I crossed the street and told him I had called the police an hour before, he told me I needed to wait, finished giving the guy a ticket and took off.

BTW Oakland has 1.91 officers per every 1,000 residents while the city your a police in has 1.43. Point in saying that I don't believe the city crime level decreases for every police officer it has. Responding to crimes do not reduce crimes

Also a city cannot be ran when the police takes up about 80% of it's budget

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Look man I'm not trying to argue with you here I was working 12 hours shifts and i'm jsut trying to enjoy my Hennessey, but those numbers are way off and nowhere near what we have on the street not even close! Every city, every department is going to have issues I don't deny that but unless you have put on a badge and a vest you have no idea from reading numbers on a website. And yes I chose this line of work no excuses.

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Wasn't attempting to argue. When I post something I like to use facts and examples. Enjoy your Hennessey

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Lol, great idea Oakland. As crime goes up, they lay off...genius!

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Lol, great idea Oakland. As crime goes up, they lay off...genius!

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
Some people know that the Oakland Police department has to layoff 77 police officers. here's the story

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/12/BA3A1EDACT.DTL

What I found interesting was

"776 Number of officers on the Oakland police force before any layoffs

$188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

$407 million Oakland's general fund budget for current fiscal year (down $69 million since 2005)"

Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000. And Oakland City Budget is about 580 million per year

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Great post
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
As it sits right now, Sac Co is going to layoff another 19-21 deputies starting next month, plus some support staff; that is on top of the 300 last year...

As another person said, it's across the state right now and it's not just layoffs. Some departments are being completely disbanded.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.
 

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Posted by 94 N.C.F. GT (Member # 3946) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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drug dealing cops now that scary
 

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Posted by Chris Hanson (Member # 3965) on :
 

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Lol, great idea Oakland. As crime goes up, they lay off...genius!

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Crime is down in Oakland BTW not up

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Originally posted by 94 N.C.F. GT:

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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drug dealing cops now that scary

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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the first on that needs to go is the mayor of Oakland. He has set a great example by not paying his taxes. Crime if it is down, is about to go up..... Special task units like CRT are going to be gone. That means no sting operations meaning more drugs and prostitution. they will cut all he special units other then swat.
All the cop haters are going to have a field day in Oakland. Officers moral is going to be down. The future doesn't look to good for Oakland.
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 

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Originally posted by Chris Hanson:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Lol, great idea Oakland. As crime goes up, they lay off...genius!

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Crime is down in Oakland BTW not up

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source or stfu

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Originally posted by Slowback67:

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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the first on that needs to go is the mayor of Oakland. He has set a great example by not paying his taxes. Crime if it is down, is about to go up..... Special task units like CRT are going to be gone. That means no sting operations meaning more drugs and prostitution. they will cut all he special units other then swat.
All the cop haters are going to have a field day in Oakland. Officers moral is going to be down. The future doesn't look to good for Oakland.

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Originally posted by Chris Hanson:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Lol, great idea Oakland. As crime goes up, they lay off...genius!

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Crime is down in Oakland BTW not up

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source or stfu

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You have to read local news once in a while.. Not evrything on Caford is the way of life
 

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Posted by cagedblackgt (Member # 10090) on :
 

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by Slowback67:

quote:

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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the first on that needs to go is the mayor of Oakland. He has set a great example by not paying his taxes. Crime if it is down, is about to go up..... Special task units like CRT are going to be gone. That means no sting operations meaning more drugs and prostitution. they will cut all he special units other then swat.
All the cop haters are going to have a field day in Oakland. Officers moral is going to be down. The future doesn't look to good for Oakland.

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Don't know if you read the complete story but they had a deal to save all the police officers jobs, but the police union didn't want to take the pay cuts.

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Originally posted by cagedblackgt:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by Slowback67:

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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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the first on that needs to go is the mayor of Oakland. He has set a great example by not paying his taxes. Crime if it is down, is about to go up..... Special task units like CRT are going to be gone. That means no sting operations meaning more drugs and prostitution. they will cut all he special units other then swat.
All the cop haters are going to have a field day in Oakland. Officers moral is going to be down. The future doesn't look to good for Oakland.

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Don't know if you read the complete story but they had a deal to save all the police officers jobs, but the police union didn't want to take the pay cuts.

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Incorrect, the OakPD was asked to pay 9% of their pay into the pension accounts. The Police Officer Uninion wanted a 3 (which even went down to 1) year guarantee of no layoffs if they did this as ht 9% was supposed to fix the police budget.

City council said FU, we wont lay any of you off until November.

City council fucked that one up, not the police.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

 

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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
Dude your a cop in Oakland you should be paid like crazy! If everyone has a problem with how much cops get paid, go on some ride alongs and see what happens. They are in shit 24/7 and risking their lives daily. 100k isnt really that much money for what they do, an the high stress level of having to worry about loss of life or job daily.
 

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Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
The cops shoulda took pay cuts to save some jobs ... My job rite now is on the line because the Police and FD didnt want to cut people
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camara90:
Dude your a cop in Oakland you should be paid like crazy! If everyone has a problem with how much cops get paid, go on some ride alongs and see what happens. They are in shit 24/7 and risking their lives daily. 100k isnt really that much money for what they do, an the high stress level of having to worry about loss of life or job daily.

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your right on
 

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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 

 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 
I must say public opinion is the most discouraging thing you can hear especially with how mis informed the public really is.

I work my ass off on a daily basis and along the way I have lost everything from meaningful relationships to friendships because it simply takes so much out of me. I have a ton of responsibilities I don't regret anything and wouldn't change what I do for the world. Just wish people would understand it better.

As far as pay is concerned I'm not gonna lie I make a decent living but compared to some other people and based on wat they do living in the same area it's very competitive and until you do the job you don't fully understand what it requires from you.
 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 
...but I can say is what keeps me going is that I am fair in my decisions and give people the benifit of the doubt I don't fuck over people for the same shit I am guilty for etc etc

I have never arrested or cited someone that didn't merit it nor have I ever used excessive force on anyone but I have of course I've been thru several internal affair investigations all have been exonorated because they were simply bs.

[ July 16, 2010, 01:19 AM: Message edited by: Fostang ]
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 

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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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Originally posted by cagedblackgt:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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High Crime, High Drug rates = more police officers needs hence the large part of the budget. If there werent so many fucking idiots in that shithole youwould have this issue.

Livermore, where I live, shit we dont have this problem...why? We dont have a bunch of ignorant fucks who dont understnad they cant do whatever the fuck they want living here.

Oakland needs to crack down on the fucking idiots there, they need to profile more, and if people act out of line, the hammer needs to come down.

Then and only then will the self righteous assholes who live there and tarnish the Oakland name, stop doing what they are doing.

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Originally posted by cagedblackgt:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:
I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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High Crime, High Drug rates = more police officers needs hence the large part of the budget. If there werent so many fucking idiots in that shithole youwould have this issue.

Livermore, where I live, shit we dont have this problem...why? We dont have a bunch of ignorant fucks who dont understnad they cant do whatever the fuck they want living here.

Oakland needs to crack down on the fucking idiots there, they need to profile more, and if people act out of line, the hammer needs to come down.

Then and only then will the self righteous assholes who live there and tarnish the Oakland name, stop doing what they are doing.

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Originally posted by Fostang:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:

quote:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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I voted for the pay cut and we were able to save 20 positions at my department because of it. Well at least till the next budget meeting in dec. I couldn't live with myself if I would have been selfish and voted againts taking a cut when other jobs are taking the cut and some are even losing their employment. We are in a recession together.

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Thats along the lines of what i was thinking about the situation. And please don't take this the wrong way but if and when another oakland cop goes down in the line of fire i wouldn't want to hear or see the other oakland cops crying about it cause them not helping there so called "brothers" save there jobs was probably part of the reason.
 

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Posted by 94 N.C.F. GT (Member # 3946) on :
 
That's a pretty good point 86-50
 

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Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :
 

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Originally posted by 86- 50:

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Originally posted by Fostang:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:

quote:

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Originally posted by nitrous_bob:

quote:

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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I voted for the pay cut and we were able to save 20 positions at my department because of it. Well at least till the next budget meeting in dec. I couldn't live with myself if I would have been selfish and voted againts taking a cut when other jobs are taking the cut and some are even losing their employment. We are in a recession together.

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Thats along the lines of what i was thinking about the situation. And please don't take this the wrong way but if and when another oakland cop goes down in the line of fire i wouldn't want to hear or see the other oakland cops crying about it cause them not helping there so called "brothers" save there jobs was probably part of the reason.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Are you serious? Of course an officer getting hurt could have a lot to do with the amount of back up he has or don't have.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Are you serious? Of course an officer getting hurt could have a lot to do with the amount of back up he has or don't have.

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I agree the more officers the more backup, and the streets are a little safer for the police. But tell me this. Your boss calls you into his office and says that he fucked up and spent to much money and the company is hurting and has to lay some people off unless you take a 10% pay cut. Why should the cops suffer when all those idiots cant make a fucking budget, and there are way to many people up top that can still have the fat trimmed. Its bull shit, and gives them a reason to do it again next time. You have to hold firm, because you know as well as everyone else knows they will be hiring new officers shortly after the layoffs. Why? Because that city cant control itself with the headcount they already have.

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I think you fail to realize the Oakland Police department is the City's budget (80$ of it) If the value of properties go down, which it has by about %50. the city gross income is also reduce by a great amount. Budget us based on projected income not actual income .

My solution to reduce crime by at least 50% in Oakland ; legalize weed. Then arrest anyone else you se selling any of the more sever drugs.
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
Home prices are down on 30% from their all-time high, with the last 5 years being only 19%. Big difference from 50%. Property values

Edit: 72% of the budget goes to Fire and Police. That is ALL programs, not just uniformed personnel.

Legalize weed? You think THAT is the problem with Oakland? I'd dare say 75% of the cops out there could care less about weed. Not to mention it's a PITA to arrest/process/etc someone who has barely enough to roll one. Hard core druggies, Murderers, Thieves, etc...they are the problem. And I assure you, they live there..they don't go to Oakland to deal or do it.

Problem with Oakland is Oakland. Once the residents decide to take back their city from the dipshits/clowns/etc that have run it into the ground, then and only then will things change. The Police Dept there, like nearly everywhere in Cali, has their hands tied by the Liberal Bureaucrats AKA Tree Huggin'/love everyone/please don't hurt them society that runs that State. PEOPLE aka Citizens, not the Police Dept, are the ones that need to FIX Oakland. The ONLY way for the Police to fix it is if they walk the entire city crackin' skulls...and that ain't gonna happen.


Spare me. A real Community would reach out and handle their own shit...

[ July 16, 2010, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: JohnB ]
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
"Problem with Oakland is Oakland. Once the residents decide to take back their city from the dipshits/clowns/etc that have run it into the ground, then and only then will things change. The Police Dept there, like nearly everywhere in Cali, has their hands tied by the Liberal Bureaucrats AKA Tree Huggin'/love everyone/please don't hurt them society that runs that State. PEOPLE aka Citizens, not the Police Dept, are the ones that need to FIX Oakland. The ONLY way for the Police to fix it is if they walk the entire city crackin' skulls...and that ain't gonna happen. " -john b-

^ Thats 100% on the money right there.
 

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Posted by 306Coupe (Member # 4988) on :
 

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Home prices are down on 30% from their all-time high, with the last 5 years being only 19%. Big difference from 50%. Property values

Edit: 72% of the budget goes to Fire and Police. That is ALL programs, not just uniformed personnel.

Legalize weed? You think THAT is the problem with Oakland? I'd dare say 75% of the cops out there could care less about weed. Not to mention it's a PITA to arrest/process/etc someone who has barely enough to roll one. Hard core druggies, Murderers, Thieves, etc...they are the problem. And I assure you, they live there..they don't go to Oakland to deal or do it.

Problem with Oakland is Oakland. Once the residents decide to take back their city from the dipshits/clowns/etc that have run it into the ground, then and only then will things change. The Police Dept there, like nearly everywhere in Cali, has their hands tied by the Liberal Bureaucrats AKA Tree Huggin'/love everyone/please don't hurt them society that runs that State. PEOPLE aka Citizens, not the Police Dept, are the ones that need to FIX Oakland. The ONLY way for the Police to fix it is if they walk the entire city crackin' skulls...and that ain't gonna happen.


Spare me. A real Community would reach out and handle their own shit...

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
this post is aimed at alstock and crew, why do you guys say dont believe what the news and the media say, but 306 quotes what the news is saying and you believe it?

not starting a fight brotha just curious

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Actually, I addressed all main points you attempted to validate, hense negating the topic. Departments will do what they gotta do. Hell, 27 of those positions being potentially laid off weren't even occupied.

It's a moot point about taxing/legalizing it...as it's on the ballot for this year...so why bother to bring it up?

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I still love you John!! no homo
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
It's all gravy.
 

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