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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

I know we had a similar discussion earlier about a similar situation, but this one truly saddens me. Really bad judgment on this one.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/video-ohio-cop-bodyslams-knife-wielding-grandma/

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

on a side bar, the dude taking the footage is hilarious.

Posted by Fast92lxcoupe (Member # 8221) on :

haha I think im going to hell cus I think thats helarious [Big Grin]

Posted by sharkattack (Member # 645) on :

Didn't look like a big deal to me. Not excessive. Certainly wasn't "slammed". Just a wrist take down. If she hit her head on the way down then that is unfortunate. Shit happens. How could anyone know what the motive was for the old lady holding the knife. You can't expect the ofc to read her mind. Yeah, maybe she is not all there in the head. Maybe she sees demons and is using the knife for protection.

Here's a thought since we like to second guess police officers in everything they do. Maybe the womans care giver should have not left her alone in the car with .....WTF?!?!?!?! A freakin steak knife??????

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
Here's a thought since we like to second guess police officers in everything they do. Maybe the womans care giver should have not left her alone in the car with .....WTF?!?!?!?! A freakin steak knife??????

Women should always have a lil sumthin sumthin in their car. I know my wife does.

Yea it can go either way, and I am not bashing cops at all. Do I think it was excessive? Yes. It is just hard to not look at it from a perspective of "Damn they just did in a really old and frail lady". but that is part of the problem IMO. Any level of force could seriously injure a lady of that age. So it is almost a lose/lose for a cop. Which is very unfortunate. But...the cops I am friends with said they would have handled it a bit differently. Just sad.

Posted by 1990Silver5.0 (Member # 6210) on :

Yea i seen that an i was pissed. Come on did she really have to take her down like that! They could have handle the situation differently.

Posted by N93EXCHP (Member # 8741) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Fast92lxcoupe:
haha I think im going to hell cus I think thats helarious

Posted by sharkattack (Member # 645) on :

I too may have handled it differently. How would you have done it?

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
I too may have handled it differently. How would you have done it?

Personally I would have had tried to do a little more coaxing and try to get her to drop the knife. Old people always feel entitled due to age, so talking in a softer less authoritative voice is something I would have employed. Then I would have attempted a disarm without the take down if she proved to be a danger to herself or others. I am confident I can disarm a 87 year old frail women without cracking her skull. I think a little more patience would have proved valuable. As the relative showed up right after the take down.

Posted by Tony Montana (Member # 8288) on :

Damn cops using poor judgement has to come to end . You would think since people all around have cameras ready to film they would use some common sense. That is by no means funny an old person can be hurt easily and the cop should have considered that. I understand cops have a tough job but they should always keep their cool.

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

A knife is still a deadly weapon regardless of who is wielding it. A 4 year old can kill you with a knife, although chances are slim, its still a possibility. She was ordered to put the knife down, and refuesed. She got treated like anyone else should when you have a deadly weapon. Just because your 87 doesnt mean she cant slice your neck when going for the knife. The officer could have drawn her weapon as well at that point, but restrained in doing that.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
A knife is still a deadly weapon regardless of who is wielding it. A 4 year old can kill you with a knife, although chances are slim, its still a possibility. She was ordered to put the knife down, and refuesed. She got treated like anyone else should when you have a deadly weapon. Just because your 87 doesnt mean she cant slice your neck when going for the knife. The officer could have drawn her weapon as well at that point, but restrained in doing that.

Well true and not true, but cops are trained to assess the situation and use the force required. Thus your phrase "chances are slim". But cops are human as well and are not immune to judgment mismanagement. This is why I want to write a Myers Briggs type application and sell it gov't agencies. I think training should be as unique as the possibilities of judgment.

Posted by sharkattack (Member # 645) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
I too may have handled it differently. How would you have done it?
Personally I would have had tried to do a little more coaxing and try to get her to drop the knife. Old people always feel entitled due to age, so talking in a softer less authoritative voice is something I would have employed. Then I would have attempted a disarm without the take down if she proved to be a danger to herself or others. I am confident I can disarm a 87 year old frail women without cracking her skull. I think a little more patience would have proved valuable. As the relative showed up right after the take down.

You never know unless you are placed in that situation. Like I said, everyone second guesses the police. They can do no right. No matter how much training you give them.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
I too may have handled it differently. How would you have done it?
Personally I would have had tried to do a little more coaxing and try to get her to drop the knife. Old people always feel entitled due to age, so talking in a softer less authoritative voice is something I would have employed. Then I would have attempted a disarm without the take down if she proved to be a danger to herself or others. I am confident I can disarm a 87 year old frail women without cracking her skull. I think a little more patience would have proved valuable. As the relative showed up right after the take down.
You never know unless you are placed in that situation. Like I said, everyone second guesses the police. They can do no right. No matter how much training you give them.

Yea man, I am fully aware of how much of their job is based on split second reactions and perception. Which we all know comes in 1000's of flavors. But you are always held to a perception that is not your own. Very difficult, my hat goes off to all ya'll that do this job.

Posted by foxstang (Member # 7447) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
A knife is still a deadly weapon regardless of who is wielding it. A 4 year old can kill you with a knife, although chances are slim, its still a possibility. She was ordered to put the knife down, and refuesed. She got treated like anyone else should when you have a deadly weapon. Just because your 87 doesnt mean she cant slice your neck when going for the knife. The officer could have drawn her weapon as well at that point, but restrained in doing that.

i think i woulda drawn my weapon and just maybe she woulda got spooked and dropped the knife. or maybe she woulda had a heart attack [Frown]

[ August 10, 2009, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: foxstang ]

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

I think they needed a sniper with a 50 caliber on the roof of wal-mart for that one. Bottom line here is the old woman should NOT be yielding a knife in public and the whole thing wouldn't have happened. Maybe now she'll stop doing it when she gets out of the hospital and learned her lesson, now lesson to you all, don't be stupid.

Posted by N93EXCHP (Member # 8741) on :

BTW FU*K THE POLICE [Big Grin]

Posted by N93EXCHP (Member # 8741) on :

And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol [Big Grin]

Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
Didn't look like a big deal to me. Not excessive. Certainly wasn't "slammed". Just a wrist take down. If she hit her head on the way down then that is unfortunate. Shit happens. How could anyone know what the motive was for the old lady holding the knife. You can't expect the ofc to read her mind. Yeah, maybe she is not all there in the head. Maybe she sees demons and is using the knife for protection.

Here's a thought since we like to second guess police officers in everything they do. Maybe the womans care giver should have not left her alone in the car with .....WTF?!?!?!?! A freakin steak
knife??????

My gramp's has a slight case of dementia ( how ever you spell it) if we take him anywhere He is Never alone in public!

This story is sad.... I'm sure the family is upset but they need to realize you can't leave people with a condition like that alone... That's why my gramp's is living in a home... I found him one day walking down Georgia ST. In Vallejo in his pj's ... I picked him up and asked what he was doing and he said he was just going for a walk.

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
Didn't look like a big deal to me. Not excessive. Certainly wasn't "slammed". Just a wrist take down. If she hit her head on the way down then that is unfortunate. Shit happens. How could anyone know what the motive was for the old lady holding the knife. You can't expect the ofc to read her mind. Yeah, maybe she is not all there in the head. Maybe she sees demons and is using the knife for protection.

Here's a thought since we like to second guess police officers in everything they do. Maybe the womans care giver should have not left her alone in the car with .....WTF?!?!?!?! A freakin steak knife??????

yea maybe the cop should have pulled her samari sword out and battled with that decrepit hag!!!
im 100% sure there would have been a better outcome instead of a f$%king judo throw!!!
who ever said that was a normal everyday popo take down is a f#$king tard!!!!
i think that cop was trying to be chun lee from street fighter!!! WTF [Eek!]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:
And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol

this is the first one I found. The other one was found by someone else.

Posted by N93EXCHP (Member # 8741) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:
And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol
this is the first one I found. The other one was found by someone else.

So there's 2 N8's [Confused]

Oh wait I'm the other Nate well I happen to be Nathaniel but people call me Nathan [Big Grin]

Heres the link to your other grandma thread
Grandma Thread

Posted by 90FoX (Member # 1974) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:
And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol
this is the first one I found. The other one was found by someone else.
So there's 2 N8's Oh wait I'm the other Nate well I happen to be Nathaniel but people call me Nathan

Heres the link to your other grandma thread
Grandma Thread

I guess when your older your memory slips [Razz]

Posted by N93EXCHP (Member # 8741) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90FoX:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:
And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol
this is the first one I found. The other one was found by someone else.
So there's 2 N8's Oh wait I'm the other Nate well I happen to be Nathaniel but people call me Nathan

Heres the link to your other grandma thread
Grandma Thread
I guess when your older your memory slips

LMAO

Posted by CALIFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :

booo

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

She should have F5'ed that bitch and transitions into a spinaroonie...follow that up with a peoples elbow...

Thats justice

Posted by SPIDER_STANG (Member # 8658) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:

quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
Didn't look like a big deal to me. Not excessive. Certainly wasn't "slammed". Just a wrist take down. If she hit her head on the way down then that is unfortunate. Shit happens. How could anyone know what the motive was for the old lady holding the knife. You can't expect the ofc to read her mind. Yeah, maybe she is not all there in the head. Maybe she sees demons and is using the knife for protection.

Here's a thought since we like to second guess police officers in everything they do. Maybe the womans care giver should have not left her alone in the car with .....WTF?!?!?!?! A freakin steak knife??????
yea maybe the cop should have pulled her samari sword out and battled with that decrepit hag!!!
im 100% sure there would have been a better outcome instead of a f$%king judo throw!!!
who ever said that was a normal everyday popo take down is a f#$king tard!!!!
i think that cop was trying to be chun lee from street fighter!!! WTF

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

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Originally posted by N93EXCHP:

quote:
Originally posted by 90FoX:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by N93EXCHP:
And oh yeah N8 how do you always find these vids and stuff about old ladys getting harmed? lol
this is the first one I found. The other one was found by someone else.
So there's 2 N8's Oh wait I'm the other Nate well I happen to be Nathaniel but people call me Nathan

Heres the link to your other grandma thread
Grandma Thread
I guess when your older your memory slips
LMAO

aaahahahaha....I guess I am a freedom fighter for the elderly...lmao. Maybe my Alzheimer is setting in.

Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :

First off she's black. Next she's got a knife. So the bulldyke cop, instead of just grabbing the knife out of her hands, it was easier to drop her ass full force. I guess she coulda got tasered or peppersprayed too. Cops are dicks, and they dont fuck around. We should all realize that we live in a POLICE state, where the cops have all the power and non of us have shit on them unless somebody happens to have a camera. If there are no witnesses, your ass is toast in court because they would never believe your side of the story and the cops word is like gold to the fucking judge. Excessive force? According to their police standards, its highly unlikely. Best way to handle the situation? This was not done as a last resort. If she actually took the time to find out that this old lady was not a risk by asking her questions about what was going on, this would have ended differently. Its not like the old lady was trying to cut her. But then again dont fuck with the cops!

Posted by StangLess (Member # 8319) on :

quote:
Cop slams a old lady

I was expecting something totally different. [Wink]

Posted by 00NIGHTMARE (Member # 1010) on :

textbook judo slam, good job officer!

Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :

At least they didn't cuff her, flip her over onto her stomach, pullout the gun and pop a cap in her ass.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by StangLess:

quote:
Cop slams a old lady
I was expecting something totally different.

you dirty bastard...lmao [Razz]

Posted by CALIFORNIAGT (Member # 7845) on :

ILL LET THAT FEMALE OFFICER SLAM ME ANYDAY [Big Grin]

Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :

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Originally posted by StangLess:

quote:
Cop slams a old lady
I was expecting something totally different.

It would have NSFW in the title if that were the case!

As for the video, I don't care who you are, if you come at me with a knife your getting dropped. Its stupid to change the rules because she's old, old people can fuck you up with a knife, end of story.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by asskickn88:

quote:
Originally posted by StangLess:

quote:
Cop slams a old lady
I was expecting something totally different.
It would have NSFW in the title if that were the case!

As for the video, I don't care who you are, if you come at me with a knife your getting dropped. Its stupid to change the rules because she's old, old people can fuck you up with a knife, end of story.

So if a infant is coming at you with a knife, you will rain down pain upon the infant with a judo-throw, followed by the hulk hogan thunder leg drop? Gangsta I tell ya...lmao

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by asskickn88:

quote:
Originally posted by StangLess:

quote:
Cop slams a old lady
I was expecting something totally different.
It would have NSFW in the title if that were the case!

As for the video, I don't care who you are, if you come at me with a knife your getting dropped. Its stupid to change the rules because she's old, old people can fuck you up with a knife, end of story.
So if a infant is coming at you with a knife, you will rain down pain upon the infant with a judo-throw, followed by the hulk hogan thunder leg drop? Gangsta I tell ya...lmao

No no no N8 you got it all wrong. Since the infant is immobile, you line the littles knife wielding bastard up and punt a 40yd through the upgrights...then and only then do you come up and do the Judo throw to a thunder leg drop followed promply by a spinneroonie...all while shouting "He's coming right for us"

Mike

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:

quote:
Originally posted by asskickn88:

quote:
Originally posted by StangLess:

quote:
Cop slams a old lady
I was expecting something totally different.
It would have NSFW in the title if that were the case!

As for the video, I don't care who you are, if you come at me with a knife your getting dropped. Its stupid to change the rules because she's old, old people can fuck you up with a knife, end of story.
So if a infant is coming at you with a knife, you will rain down pain upon the infant with a judo-throw, followed by the hulk hogan thunder leg drop? Gangsta I tell ya...lmao

If that infant is wearing saggy pants and a shirt 8 sizes to big, your damn right he's going down...lol

Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :

quote:
Originally posted by asskickn88:
if you come at me with a knife your getting dropped. Its stupid to change the rules because she's old, old people can fuck you up with a knife, end of story.

yaaaa, especially since this golden girl was very violent, and just befor the cop snatched her by the hand oldschool tried to walk away!!!!! [Confused]

[ August 11, 2009, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]

Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan, i don't know how i would've reacted if that was my moms [Mad]

Posted by Infamous5.0 (Member # 1745) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jdub07:
At least they didn't cuff her, flip her over onto her stomach, pullout the gun and pop a cap in her ass.

And I'm sure a bunch of these cop loving fags in here found that the killing of Oscar Grant was justified. I don't hate cops because I applied to be a Sheriff in SF myself but a lot of these PIGS!!! not all but some are PIGS!!! take their job too serious and are just cops because they were bullied when they were little and have a severe case of I.D.S= Infant dick syndrome.

In this case the female officer took her down (which was a little severe) but its only a big deal because she unfortunately hit her head and also happen to be black or (African American)

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

This is just another an example of whites keeping blacks down!!!!

Posted by DLo (Member # 6133) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Infamous5.0:
And I'm sure a bunch of these cop loving fags in here found that the killing of Oscar Grant was justified. I don't hate cops because I applied to be a Sheriff in SF myself but a lot of these PIGS!!! not all but some are PIGS!!! take their job too serious and are just cops because they were bullied when they were little and have a severe case of I.D.S= Infant dick syndrome.

In this case the female officer took her down (which was a little severe) but its only a big deal because she unfortunately hit her head and also happen to be black or (African American)

I'll support cops if they are in the right. I believe the officer who shot Oscar Grant should definitely get reprimanded, accident or not. I also think that not every police officer is an angel and quite a few seem to abuse their power.

But when it comes down to it, every encounter I've had with a cop, I've done something wrong. And knock on wood, but so far I've dealt with some very lenient officers.

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

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Originally posted by cummins:
This is just another an example of whites keeping blacks down!!!!

LMAO!!!!

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