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Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on :
 
This whole situation is messed up. What justifies a cop shooting someone in the back while hand cuffed? I hope this cop gets charged for murder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc
 

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Posted by NorCalRydaz (Member # 3233) on :
 
Damn I heard about this. That shit sucks!!!
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 
im very calm quiet and respect law enforcement and my thoughts on this are

fu@# the trash bart cop who shot this poor guy
fu@# anybody including other officers who justify this action
this peice of trash needs to be charged with murder and whoever trained him should be fired did you hear barts excuse? he thought it was a taser lol lol lol rip man
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
I agree 100% that the cop needs to be charged with a crime. While not defending him, evidently he thought his gun was a tazer. Still a crime nonetheless.

However, the whole situation could have been avoided if these bangers weren't being idiots and fighting people in the first place.

RIP, cop needs to go to jail.

Mike
 

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Posted by 91MSDFox (Member # 8749) on :
 
this whas not an accident

 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:
I agree 100% that the cop needs to be charged with a crime. While not defending him, evidently he thought his gun was a tazer. Still a crime nonetheless.

However, the whole situation could have been avoided if these bangers weren't being idiots and fighting people in the first place.

RIP, cop needs to go to jail.

Mike

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ur a lame....the kid was fighting not shooting or stabbing anyone just fighting.....total race issue this guy who shot em is white trash and whoever semi agrees i believe is too.... rip again a ridiculous thing to happen....coulda ONLY been avoided if the dumbass 10hr bart cop was trained right
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 
MURDER!!!

MY PRAYERS GOES OUT TO HIS FAMILY.


its funny the first time i have not heard guys protecting the police.
 

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Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on :
 
The faminly of the guy who got shot just filed a 25 million dollar lawsuit against bart, and i wouldn't be surprised if they get it.
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:
I agree 100% that the cop needs to be charged with a crime. While not defending him, evidently he thought his gun was a tazer. Still a crime nonetheless.

However, the whole situation could have been avoided if these bangers weren't being idiots and fighting people in the first place.

RIP, cop needs to go to jail.

Mike

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ur a lame....the kid was fighting not shooting or stabbing anyone just fighting.....total race issue this guy who shot em is white trash and whoever semi agrees i believe is too.... rip again a ridiculous thing to happen....coulda ONLY been avoided if the dumbass 10hr bart cop was trained right

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
The faminly of the guy who got shot just filed a 25 million dollar lawsuit against bart, and i wouldn't be surprised if they get it.

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:
I agree 100% that the cop needs to be charged with a crime. While not defending him, evidently he thought his gun was a tazer. Still a crime nonetheless.

However, the whole situation could have been avoided if these bangers weren't being idiots and fighting people in the first place.

RIP, cop needs to go to jail.

Mike

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ur a lame....the kid was fighting not shooting or stabbing anyone just fighting.....total race issue this guy who shot em is white trash and whoever semi agrees i believe is too.... rip again a ridiculous thing to happen....coulda ONLY been avoided if the dumbass 10hr bart cop was trained right

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Lol you just contradicted yourself...he is racist...how does that affect improper training?

Kid shouldn't have been fighting in the first place.

But I do not disagree that officer needs to be in jail right now and not on the street.

Mike

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
The faminly of the guy who got shot just filed a 25 million dollar lawsuit against bart, and i wouldn't be surprised if they get it.

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They deserve it.

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Posted by phat50 (Member # 1998) on :
 
They need to drop that cop off in the ghetto without his gun and let him see how it feels to be shot for no fucking reason at all! Trying to say he thought he pulled his tazer. Yea right! It dont matter if he was fighting or not, he was face down on the ground UNARMED!
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
omg, that is horrible. Man I have 2 good friends that are BART po-po. And they deal with a extra-ordinary amount of crap on a daily basis. But still no cause or call for this shit. I talked to my boy about it, and he is stunned. And now BART PD is on high alert. I dont think it is a race issue at all. BART PD is historically hard on all people. I think this dude just made a fatal mistake. It could have easily been a asian, white person or mexican right there. One thing I can say is BART PD gives equal opportunity ass whoopings. At least when I was young they did.

On a lighter side. The family's attorney looks like Paul Mooney.

That family will be paid handsomely. No consolation for a lost life. But that is a slam dunk case for that lawyer.
 

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Posted by SLPR93 (Member # 8769) on :
 
they should send him to prison and fighting thats nothing
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
Will this has been a HOT TOPIC at work. I've watched the video a bunch of times. I don't condone the officers shooting, but from what I can see if you watch the video a couple of times. By the way I'm not a handgun owner, so correct me if I'm wrong. In the tense situation, they are trying to detain the suspect on the ground. at 2:08-2:09 the officer that did the actual shooting looks up quickly and notices other subjects aggresively appoaching the area shown at 2:14-2:16 (as you can see the other standing officers getting in defensing stand). At 2:24-2:26 the other subjects that were approaching aggresively are now getting tackled/arrested as you can see one officer drop down the other subject and two officers following. Now back to the actual shooting officer/victim. I'm thinking the officer hears the commotion going on, along with him peeking seconds earlier (seeing the advancements of the other subjects). Gets up quickly and I think tries to load a round in his handgun. Similar to here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBvhnNUaP8
Now this is where Im not knowledgable. Now would that mean the officer did not have a live round in the chamber to begin with? So seeing the commotion in the background, quickly got up to get a live round, which is why you see his left hand make that pulling motion. All while trying to focus on the subject on the ground at the same time. Which was too much for him and his finger pulled accidentally. What do you think?

Im not saying the officer is not wrong for this, but thats my take on this whole matter.

[ January 06, 2009, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: Venomized93 ]
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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Originally posted by Venomized93:
Will this has been a HOT TOPIC at work. I've watched the video a bunch of times. I don't condone the officers shooting, but from what I can see if you watch the video a couple of times. By the way I'm not a handgun owner, so correct me if I'm wrong. In the tense situation, they are trying to detain the suspect on the ground. at 2:08-2:09 the officer that did the actual shooting looks up quickly and notices other subjects aggresively appoaching the area shown at 2:14-2:16 (as you can see the other standing officers getting in defensing stand). At 2:24-2:26 the other subjects that were approaching aggresively are now getting tackled/arrested as you can see one officer drop down the other subject and two officers following. Now back to the actual shooting officer/victim. I'm thinking the officer hears the commotion going on, along with him peeking seconds earlier (seeing the advancements of the other subjects). Gets up quickly and I think tries to load a round in his handgun. Similar to here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBvhnNUaP8
Now this is where Im not knowledgable. Now would that mean the officer did not have a live round in the chamber to begin with? So seeing the commotion in the background, quickly got up to get a live round, which is why you see his left hand make that pulling motion. All while trying to focus on the subject on the ground at the same time. Which was too much for him and his finger pulled accidentally. What do you think?

Im not saying the officer is not wrong for this, but thats my take on this whole matter.

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Originally posted by Venomized93:
Will this has been a HOT TOPIC at work. I've watched the video a bunch of times. I don't condone the officers shooting, but from what I can see if you watch the video a couple of times. By the way I'm not a handgun owner, so correct me if I'm wrong. In the tense situation, they are trying to detain the suspect on the ground. at 2:08-2:09 the officer that did the actual shooting looks up quickly and notices other subjects aggresively appoaching the area shown at 2:14-2:16 (as you can see the other standing officers getting in defensing stand). At 2:24-2:26 the other subjects that were approaching aggresively are now getting tackled/arrested as you can see one officer drop down the other subject and two officers following. Now back to the actual shooting officer/victim. I'm thinking the officer hears the commotion going on, along with him peeking seconds earlier (seeing the advancements of the other subjects). Gets up quickly and I think tries to load a round in his handgun. Similar to here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBvhnNUaP8
Now this is where Im not knowledgable. Now would that mean the officer did not have a live round in the chamber to begin with? So seeing the commotion in the background, quickly got up to get a live round, which is why you see his left hand make that pulling motion. All while trying to focus on the subject on the ground at the same time. Which was too much for him and his finger pulled accidentally. What do you think?

Im not saying the officer is not wrong for this, but thats my take on this whole matter.

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No disrespect to you, but that sounds stupid ass hell.

did you not notice the 3 cops standing around to ensure that nobody would interfer with the other at least 3 cops that were 1 by 1 hand cuffing each suspect?

not calling you a racist in anyway, but if it were a group of white kids at, will say Dublin bart would you have that same out look?

And if that was you, and you were being arrested for a fight that went on, that you may or may not have been involed in, would you not be tryig to explain your self?

We all saw him put his hands up showing he did not want any trouble, SORRY I DONT AGREE WITH YOU!!

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1) Those cops didnt know if the bangers had guns are not, so they have every right to be defensive.

2) Yes it would have went down like that in Dublin with white kids if they were acting like idiots trying to fight cops.

3) Nope, I would sit there and shut up. If you already in cuffs, talking your way out of it aint gonna happen. You sit there, shut up, and try not to escalate the situation to a point where it gets like that.

Simple fact of the matter. If the kids weren't acting like idiots in the first place this wouldn't have happened. Once again, that being said, that cop deserves to be in jail, but it could have all been avoided int he first place.

Mike
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
Two handguns were recovered that same night at BART one at WEST OAKLAND and the other some other station before this incident happened.
 

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Posted by 91MSDFox (Member # 8749) on :
 
why would the cop even pull ANYTHING out even if it was a tazer gun if the guy was already down and in cuffs?? answer me that
 

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Posted by SLPR93 (Member # 8769) on :
 
bullshit that cop had control of the situation if he cant control him self he needs to pay like any one els that makes a mistake and takes some ones life thats a life not a banger idiot like your calling him and let a cop slam your ass put his hands all over you dout you take it with a yes officer
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
why would the cop even pull ANYTHING out even if it was a tazer gun if the guy was already down and in cuffs?? answer me that

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
watch the video ...it says three were cuffed but the victim was not yet..

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:


not calling you a racist in anyway, but if it were a group of white kids at, will say Dublin bart would you have that same out look?

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From Norcallsx site talking about this
"I was at 7/11 a few years back and few kids got into a fight in Pleasanton. They must of had 30 cops show up with guns out and fingers on the trigger just for this little brawl. It was completly over blown and the kids were in more danger from the cops than each other."

Nowadays color isn't always the issue.
 

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Posted by 91MSDFox (Member # 8749) on :
 
not convinced.....
 

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Posted by 1FAST89GT (Member # 5071) on :
 
[/QB][/QUOTE]

Nowadays color isn't always the issue. [/QB][/QUOTE]
 

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Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on :
 
venomized93, What does it matter that other people were approaching him. He shot the guy in the back. He didn't shoot whoever was approaching him. The other cops didn't shoot whoever were approaching him. There's no justification for his actions. Point is, he shot a guy in the back that was laying down on his stomach. And if anyone tries to justify that, they're an idiot.
 

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Posted by 2SIK GT (Member # 3381) on :
 
first of all when cops detain you the first thing is they check for weapons.......the guys would not be against the wall if they had not been searched.... you think you would put somone against the wall sitting if you didnt know if they where armed.....second i would pull a gun ya if i had no back up but i would never put my finger on the trigger unless i was ready to fire and was sure...if it was an accdient..... right when he pulled the gun it would have when OFF HE had to cock it then he shot ....im not even an officer and i know the diffrence between a TAZER AND GUN.......NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GET FROM BART IT WILLLLLLLLL NEVER BRING THEIR FAMILY MEMBER AND THATS A SHAME ......KARMA IS A BITCH DAM COPS TAKE THINGS TO PERSONAL...I HOPE HE GOES TO THE PIN AND SOME BUFF BLACK GUY GIVES HIM A BIG ONE IN HIS ASSS FUCK THAT COP
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 

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Originally posted by kingroy:
venomized93, What does it matter that other people were approaching him. He shot the guy in the back. He didn't shoot whoever was approaching him. The other cops didn't shoot whoever were approaching him. There's no justification for his actions. Point is, he shot a guy in the back that was laying down on his stomach. And if anyone tries to justify that, they're an idiot.

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I honestly think it was accidental and not intentional. Why he pulled his gun out is the question I'm trying to answer. I don't think his intention was to shoot the guy in the back with 100 people as witnesses. Even if he wanted to with bad intentions, do you think he would do it there in front of everyone?

[ January 06, 2009, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: Venomized93 ]
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
Do I think he should pay for his mistake. Absoultely! Just like any other drunk driver that killed or streetracing accident that killed someone.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Terrible situation and a blatant over-reaction by the Bart Police Officer.

Unfortunately, when people get rowdy and drunk, start acting foolish, start fighting, the outcome is usually never good.

No excuse for the Cop however. The police is there to protect and serve while following set protocols. No reason to pull out a gun and shoot someone in the back when they are on the ground.
 

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Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
I don't think race was/is an issue, it only becomes an issue when people bring the race card out.
The cop screwed up, no one will ever know if the cop really thought he was pulling his taser or what. Hes the only one that knows. he has to live with his actions if he is guilty and killed the kid without justification he will go to jail. If it was an accident and he was stressed out and pulled his handgun instead of his taser because he was in panic mode then he has to live with that if he chooses too.
RIP
 

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Posted by 95GTConvtACE (Member # 6399) on :
 
WOW. Can you imagine if the cop doesn't get murder. I sense there would be a riot. All I can say is WOW. RIP.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
all i can say is, he did it cause he was black. because the majority of white guys just dream of shooting a black man, or wait..........maybe its the majority of black males think that white males are racist. WOW thats a hell of a fantasy i just had right there NOT!!!!! i hate to always be the guy to point this out, but god damn!! any time theres a post that has any kind of black vs white hint to it, we always got a couple of bad apples that just gotta bring it up. i have to say, i have never heard ANY ANY ANY white guy EVER say oh they just beat him up cuz he was white. i grew up in a hard ass hood, all crips and i live in a blood town wtf, i seen tones of white boys get beat the f@$k up by any where fron 2 to 10 on 1 but never heard "all cuz he was white". you guys that pulled the race card are retards!!!! i literaly sat in front of my comp for like 5 min in aw befor i responded to your guys ignorance. wow!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by 925GT50 (Member # 2683) on :
 
holy shit fuk the cops and all you shady ass pigs i dgaf if theres law enforcement on here in any nature that was pure b.s str8 power trippin that bart cop or rent a copm i might add should be jailed but knowing his postition he might just get away with it there was no justification for his actions dude was helpless and no weapon or resisting. THATS A REASON WHY I HATE PIGS FUK EM THEYRE HERE TO PROTECT NOT KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON REAGARDLESS IF HE WAS IN A SCUFFLE DID HE KILL SOME 1, ROB OR RAPE A PERSON? I THINK NOT...

[ January 06, 2009, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: 925GT50 ]
 

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Posted by scoop331 (Member # 8726) on :
 
Man fuck that cop that was ma niggas patna.they grew up with him played on the same baseball team. That dude was handcuffed and on his stomach no reason to shoot him. Fuck all crooked cops!

R.I.P. Oscar Grant
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by phat50:
They need to drop that cop off in the ghetto without his gun and let him see how it feels to be shot for no fucking reason at all! Trying to say he thought he pulled his tazer. Yea right! It dont matter if he was fighting or not, he was face down on the ground UNARMED!

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:


not calling you a racist in anyway, but if it were a group of white kids at, will say Dublin bart would you have that same out look?

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From Norcallsx site talking about this
"I was at 7/11 a few years back and few kids got into a fight in Pleasanton. They must of had 30 cops show up with guns out and fingers on the trigger just for this little brawl. It was completly over blown and the kids were in more danger from the cops than each other."

Nowadays color isn't always the issue. [/QB]

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Dublin / Pleasanton police have some issues. I used to get pulled over and let go for the dumbest shit. I used to drive my coupe everywhere but I try to avoid driving Dublin because I've been pulled over 8 times too many and being ticketed once for front plate. Not to mention every stop immediately follows with a call for back up. They over react a little
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 

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Originally posted by scoop331:
Man fuck that cop that was ma niggas patna.they grew up with him played on the same baseball team. That dude was handcuffed and on his stomach no reason to shoot him. Fuck all crooked cops!

R.I.P. Oscar Grant

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Originally posted by Jdub07:
...there sure are some really dumb motherfuckers on this site....it's like trying to teach a retard Not to smile.

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True and funny as hell. That made my day.
 

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Posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr (Member # 8269) on :
 
How can anybody in this topic's forum say that it was an accident? No disrespect to anybody but if you watch the video you can see the cop get up from a squatted position from on top of the victim, reach for his gun and have it pointed at the victim for about 2 seconds before he pulled the trigger. The news said he's been a BART police officer for two years. For the two seconds he's holding the gun how does he not realize what he's holding and how does a two year vet forget where his gun is at?? This was no accident...just some more racist BS

RIP
 

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Posted by Jdub07 (Member # 2728) on :
 
You know its bad when you read something and even if it isn't directed at you it makes you sick. Even makes you angry at the person for subjecting you to their stupidity. You want to say something, you even start to type a response in an effort to open their eyes a little but soon realize all you'd be doing is added fuel to the fire of the retard nation. So you stop typing and delete all the benifitial information that if actually read and understood by a normal person of any stature could be helpful in making them a better person. Oh well, so is life I guess. Out of the 6 billion people on the planet we can't all think the same way...it wouldn't be very interesting would it. So in reality maybe we should be thanking these people for being shit for brains, for they are the ones that remind sensible people the differences between what is and what isn't. And if you have to ask what that is then your already in need of help.

Carry on retards of the world, may all your cock jockin comments be filled with close mindedness and assumptions based on nothing.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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You know its bad when you read something and even if it isn't directed at you it makes you sick. Even makes you angry at the person for subjecting you to their stupidity. You want to say something, you even start to type a response in an effort to open their eyes a little but soon realize all you'd be doing is added fuel to the fire of the retard nation. So you stop typing and delete all the benifitial information that if actually read and understood by a normal person of any stature could be helpful in making them a better person. Oh well, so is life I guess. Out of the 6 billion people on the planet we can't all think the same way...it wouldn't be very interesting would it. So in reality maybe we should be thanking these people for being shit for brains, for they are the ones that remind sensible people the differences between what is and what isn't. And if you have to ask what that is then your already in need of help.

Carry on retards of the world, may all your cock jockin comments be filled with close mindedness and assumptions based on nothing.

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Originally posted by BCINGUU:
My buddy at work knew the victim. He was the man my buddy used to buy deli meats from. He was a quiet family man, the kind of guy who would try to break up a fight if it happened where he was.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
god why do we even bring these topics up on here its like talking to a wall no matter what points or facts are EVER brought up. I would love to see the people who are calling "Racism" bring up some fact as to how this has ANYTHING TO DO WITH RACE! god damit im so sick of all this racism fucking bullshit we live in the god dam bay area the most diverse fucking city in the country. If we were down in the georgia or texas were there is real racism going on then i could see some sort of argument. Show me the guy was part of the KKK and then maybe ill believe that this shooting had something to do with his race. The fact is that the cop made a very very very bad mistake, if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon. I dont believe he shot the kid ON PURPOSE WITH 4 COPS PRESSENT AND A TRAIN FULL OF PASSANGERS!!! come on people use what little brains some of you have on here and think. I DO NOT CONDONE what happened ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT CONDONE IT!!! and i think that he should be punished for his actions but for fucks sakes can we cut the fucking racism BS
thats my rant now lets see how many walls this hits.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
god why do we even bring these topics up on here its like talking to a wall no matter what points or facts are EVER brought up. I would love to see the people who are calling "Racism" bring up some fact as to how this has ANYTHING TO DO WITH RACE! god damit im so sick of all this racism fucking bullshit we live in the god dam bay area the most diverse fucking city in the country. If we were down in the georgia or texas were there is real racism going on then i could see some sort of argument. Show me the guy was part of the KKK and then maybe ill believe that this shooting had something to do with his race. The fact is that the cop made a very very very bad mistake, if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon. I dont believe he shot the kid ON PURPOSE WITH 4 COPS PRESSENT AND A TRAIN FULL OF PASSANGERS!!! come on people use what little brains some of you have on here and think. I DO NOT CONDONE what happened ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT CONDONE IT!!! and i think that he should be punished for his actions but for fucks sakes can we cut the fucking racism BS
thats my rant now lets see how many walls this hits.

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The real racists are the one screaming that this the cop is a racist. The cop is an idiot not a racist.

Mike

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x100 to you lifted, and x1000 to you mike
 

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Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 
what i am trying to say is with lack of training and stupidity a young man lost his life.

there are only few things this guy could of done to get what he got from this bart cop and fighting is very far from it.

im sure if it was your brother,friend or some kind of relative this bart cop would have been all of what i said and worse.

not knowing that your gun is not a taser is by far a good excuse.

you are in no danger while a detained suspect was searched and on the ground.

think about all of us on this board who have been in a fight....what if we were shot each time we got in a fight..who would be alive? i wouldnt.
 

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Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
imagine if this wasnt caught on video..i bet the cops would have had a very good excuse for what they did..just like when i got fucked up in vpd(im sorry sir but that holding cell didnt have a camera) no proof to follow up with the complaint=crooked cops gettin away anything
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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imagine if this wasnt caught on video..i bet the cops would have had a very good excuse for what they did..just like when i got fucked up in vpd(im sorry sir but that holding cell didnt have a camera) no proof to follow up with the complaint=crooked cops gettin away anything

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Originally posted by 302 DROP:
i think the cop thought it was a taser and got confused! i say give that son of a bith the death penalty! i have no respect for police n e more.. i got mistreated so bad by sfpd when i was younger,

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that's right marv i hope his ass get fuck &
fuck up in jail!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 

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Originally posted by jaejae:
imagine if this wasnt caught on video..i bet the cops would have had a very good excuse for what they did..just like when i got fucked up in vpd(im sorry sir but that holding cell didnt have a camera) no proof to follow up with the complaint=crooked cops gettin away anything

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Exactly, then this thread wouldve been on a different level with the political gangstas coming out of the closets with their coffee in hand and a box of tampons infront of their monitors.

LiftedF150, you said he didnt do this on purpose? I kind of find that hard to believe, if you watch the latest video posted.

You clearly see that he pulled his weapon out, he cocked it back and pulled the trigger.

The victim was complying...

Now, if the suspect was resisting or doing something to provoke the situation, the other 4 cops wouldve had their weapons drawed.

I just seen the latest video posted again, look at the cops reaction.. Then he goes and starts pushing the dying victim around like a toy.

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
what i am trying to say is with lack of training and stupidity a young man lost his life.

there are only few things this guy could of done to get what he got from this bart cop and fighting is very far from it.

im sure if it was your brother,friend or some kind of relative this bart cop would have been all of what i said and worse.

not knowing that your gun is not a taser is by far a good excuse.

you are in no danger while a detained suspect was searched and on the ground.

think about all of us on this board who have been in a fight....what if we were shot each time we got in a fight..who would be alive? i wouldnt.

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no what you were saying originaly is that he was shot because a white guy was trying to arrest him and he was black so he shot him instead..... i could go quote the entire first page but im not going to waste my time with that.

and he was not detained at the time if you paid attention he was in the process of being detained he was still a threat technicaly...
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
lol @ technically
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
lol @ technically

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Originally posted by N8:
lol @ technically

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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lol @ technically

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no n8 its lol @ liftedf150
these guys crack me up. its as if police can do nothing wrong....yeah technically he had NO WEAPON, technically when he was shot he WASNT IN A POSITION TO HARM ANYONE BUT THE BART FLOOR.
lol some of you guys crack me up seriously.
I am all for police using as mush force when needed. this whole situation is the fault of the bart cop/clown. so TECHNICALLY a man is dead over a TECHNICALLY

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
last i checked i thought you had to cock a gun back before you fired it, I don't knoe if police already have there's ready to fire, but if not he had to get it ready to fire and then shoot, so i would think he knew what he was doing.

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a taser and a gun look the same as a brick and a 20"cobra.......can you really defend the fact that it technically may of been a mistake?

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by jaejae:
imagine if this wasnt caught on video..i bet the cops would have had a very good excuse for what they did..just like when i got fucked up in vpd(im sorry sir but that holding cell didnt have a camera) no proof to follow up with the complaint=crooked cops gettin away anything

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Exactly, then this thread wouldve been on a different level with the political gangstas coming out of the closets with their coffee in hand and a box of tampons infront of their monitors.

LiftedF150, you said he didnt do this on purpose? I kind of find that hard to believe, if you watch the latest video posted.

You clearly see that he pulled his weapon out, he cocked it back and pulled the trigger.

The victim was complying...

Now, if the suspect was resisting or doing something to provoke the situation, the other 4 cops wouldve had their weapons drawed.

I just seen the latest video posted again, look at the cops reaction.. Then he goes and starts pushing the dying victim around like a toy.

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I guess you didnt read the part when i said he more then likly mistakened his gun for his taser since they are right next to each other on the belt.... do you exepct him to just throw his gun out in the open then for somebody to use it??? I mean come on use some common sence man...

ya it totly looked like he was complying when you can clearly see him mouthing off and resisting to be handcuffed.... its amazing what people just want to see and dont see the whole picture. Im not saying he deserved to be shot by any means btw i think it completly sucks for his young family, im only defending the stupid comments that have been posted on this thread.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
god why do we even bring these topics up on here its like talking to a wall no matter what points or facts are EVER brought up. I would love to see the people who are calling "Racism" bring up some fact as to how this has ANYTHING TO DO WITH RACE! god damit im so sick of all this racism fucking bullshit we live in the god dam bay area the most diverse fucking city in the country. If we were down in the georgia or texas were there is real racism going on then i could see some sort of argument. Show me the guy was part of the KKK and then maybe ill believe that this shooting had something to do with his race. The fact is that the cop made a very very very bad mistake, if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon. I dont believe he shot the kid ON PURPOSE WITH 4 COPS PRESSENT AND A TRAIN FULL OF PASSANGERS!!! come on people use what little brains some of you have on here and think. I DO NOT CONDONE what happened ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT CONDONE IT!!! and i think that he should be punished for his actions but for fucks sakes can we cut the fucking racism BS
thats my rant now lets see how many walls this hits.

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The real racists are the one screaming that this the cop is a racist. The cop is an idiot not a racist.

Mike

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by N8:
lol @ technically

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no n8 its lol @ liftedf150
these guys crack me up. its as if police can do nothing wrong....yeah technically he had NO WEAPON, technically when he was shot he WASNT IN A POSITION TO HARM ANYONE BUT THE BART FLOOR.
lol some of you guys crack me up seriously.
I am all for police using as mush force when needed. this whole situation is the fault of the bart cop/clown. so TECHNICALLY a man is dead over a TECHNICALLY

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Once again i guess you cant read, i NEVER ONCE SAID THAT THE COP WAS RIGHT! jesus christ i hate talking to walls. Do i think the guy deserved to be shot... NO way in hell he didnt, once again the point im bringing up is it was a mistake im sure by the cop and he pulled the wrong weapon... Everybody just likes to pull the race card and im tired of it. I never said that cops can do nothing wrong I EVEN SAID HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT HE DID open your eyes and read a little before posting please.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:

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Originally posted by N8:
lol @ technically

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no n8 its lol @ liftedf150
these guys crack me up. its as if police can do nothing wrong....yeah technically he had NO WEAPON, technically when he was shot he WASNT IN A POSITION TO HARM ANYONE BUT THE BART FLOOR.
lol some of you guys crack me up seriously.
I am all for police using as mush force when needed. this whole situation is the fault of the bart cop/clown. so TECHNICALLY a man is dead over a TECHNICALLY

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Once again i guess you cant read, i NEVER ONCE SAID THAT THE COP WAS RIGHT! jesus christ i hate talking to walls. Do i think the guy deserved to be shot... NO way in hell he didnt, once again the point im bringing up is it was a mistake im sure by the cop and he pulled the wrong weapon... Everybody just likes to pull the race card and im tired of it. I never said that cops can do nothing wrong I EVEN SAID HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT HE DID open your eyes and read a little before posting please.

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I must have missed the race card. But I agree with lifted. I doubt race played a role. But I dont think it was the kind of mistake most are saying either. I think it is more a adrenaline/rookie mistake. Than a I grabbed the wrong weapon mistake. I dont think even tasering was the call to make (My PD homie agrees too). So even if he was tasered I think we would still be talking about this and the PD would be looking at a lawsuit. But a death occured, which is tragic. I sincerely hope that cop is penalized like a true felon and subjected to the same punishment I would have been had I been the trigger man.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by jaejae:
imagine if this wasnt caught on video..i bet the cops would have had a very good excuse for what they did..just like when i got fucked up in vpd(im sorry sir but that holding cell didnt have a camera) no proof to follow up with the complaint=crooked cops gettin away anything

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Exactly, then this thread wouldve been on a different level with the political gangstas coming out of the closets with their coffee in hand and a box of tampons infront of their monitors.

LiftedF150, you said he didnt do this on purpose? I kind of find that hard to believe, if you watch the latest video posted.

You clearly see that he pulled his weapon out, he cocked it back and pulled the trigger.

The victim was complying...

Now, if the suspect was resisting or doing something to provoke the situation, the other 4 cops wouldve had their weapons drawed.

I just seen the latest video posted again, look at the cops reaction.. Then he goes and starts pushing the dying victim around like a toy.

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I guess you didnt read the part when i said he more then likly mistakened his gun for his taser since they are right next to each other on the belt.... do you exepct him to just throw his gun out in the open then for somebody to use it??? I mean come on use some common sence man...

ya it totly looked like he was complying when you can clearly see him mouthing off and resisting to be handcuffed.... its amazing what people just want to see and dont see the whole picture. Im not saying he deserved to be shot by any means btw i think it completly sucks for his young family, im only defending the stupid comments that have been posted on this thread.

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Using common sense, lets pretend to be the officer.

I never used a taser gun before but im guessing it doesn't need to be cocked back (recoil), you just pull the trigger right?

Lets say the officer did intend to use the taser gun, he pulls it out (clearly no other officers pulled out their tasers, no signs of Grant un-operative) and pulls the trigger.. Got him. End of story.....

Now..

Now pretend to be the officer making a mistake with the guns, he pulls out the gun, and pulls the trigger.. Oh snap *thinks the officer* its a regular gun!

He didnt do that...This is what he did..

1, He decided to pull out the gun
2. He DECIDED to COCK the gun back
3. He DECIDED to pull the trigger


He decided... Common sense right?

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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im not going to sit here and look up stats on how many people have been shot on accident... His gun and his taser are right next to each other and he was in the middle of detaining a suspect... Yes its very clear in the video that he reached for his side arm ( same side and next to his tazer ) and pulled his gun and shot the poor kid. DO your REALLY think he is that dumb to do it ON PURPOSE in from over 100 people!!!! Nobody has YET to give any fact on his PURPOSLY PULLING HIS GUN!!!!! Ive givin you the fact that his fucking taser is right next to his firearm and thus is how he could of pulled the wrong weapon. Please get some facts. You sir are the one who needs a brain i think.
 

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Posted by 03White_Venom (Member # 2805) on :
 

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
im not going to sit here and look up stats on how many people have been shot on accident... His gun and his taser are right next to each other and he was in the middle of detaining a suspect... Yes its very clear in the video that he reached for his side arm ( same side and next to his tazer ) and pulled his gun and shot the poor kid. DO your REALLY think he is that dumb to do it ON PURPOSE in from over 100 people!!!! Nobody has YET to give any fact on his PURPOSLY PULLING HIS GUN!!!!! Ive givin you the fact that his fucking taser is right next to his firearm and thus is how he could of pulled the wrong weapon. Please get some facts. You sir are the one who needs a brain i think. [/QB]

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Also you would think since both the officer with the gun and fellow officers jumped when the round when off.. that's a good sign.. if your pulling your gun out to shoot someone your not going to jump after it goes off and I highly doubt his partner would be on the suspect trying to control him.
 

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Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Originally posted by Jdub07:
You know its bad when you read something and even if it isn't directed at you it makes you sick. Even makes you angry at the person for subjecting you to their stupidity. You want to say something, you even start to type a response in an effort to open their eyes a little but soon realize all you'd be doing is added fuel to the fire of the retard nation. So you stop typing and delete all the benifitial information that if actually read and understood by a normal person of any stature could be helpful in making them a better person. Oh well, so is life I guess. Out of the 6 billion people on the planet we can't all think the same way...it wouldn't be very interesting would it. So in reality maybe we should be thanking these people for being shit for brains, for they are the ones that remind sensible people the differences between what is and what isn't. And if you have to ask what that is then your already in need of help.

Carry on retards of the world, may all your cock jockin comments be filled with close mindedness and assumptions based on nothing.

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someone made mention that he was actually not cuffed when he was shot, but cuffed afterwards. If this is true it changes things a bit

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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I believe you are talking about Deputy Dinkheller. This is a link to the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1173997492

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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I believe you are talking about Deputy Dinkheller. This is a link to the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1173997492

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yep that's the video. Crazy. makes me sick to my stomach watching that video.

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sorry im not allowed to quote this guy, his but hurts!

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

quote:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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I believe you are talking about Deputy Dinkheller. This is a link to the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1173997492

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yep that's the video. Crazy. makes me sick to my stomach watching that video.

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Ya, does the same to me. One of my instructors had us watch it in class and I will never forget it.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 94gt:
when a bullet entered his back and ricocheted to his lung area, killing him almost instantly.

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wtf i saw the vid and after he was shot they turned him on his side and he was awake and talking how was it instantly?

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Nice edit job. I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd fix it for me. I didn't say that at all, it was a quote from the article contained in the link.

I don't want to be accused of anything other than trying to straighten out mis-interpreted information, ignorance, inability to read and those who jump to conclusions based upon little to no credible information.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 94gt:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 94gt:
when a bullet entered his back and ricocheted to his lung area, killing him almost instantly.

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wtf i saw the vid and after he was shot they turned him on his side and he was awake and talking how was it instantly?

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Nice edit job. I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd fix it for me. I didn't say that at all, it was a quote from the article contained in the link.

I don't want to be accused of anything other than trying to straighten out mis-interpreted information, ignorance, inability to read and those who jump to conclusions based upon little to no credible information.

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fix what, you posted it! quote or not, we all saw the vid including you!!! you still posted it with no "ya right" following it or anything.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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I believe you are talking about Deputy Dinkheller. This is a link to the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1173997492

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quote:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

quote:

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Originally posted by STEED:

quote:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

---

Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:

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Originally posted by 532Fastback:

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Originally posted by STEED:

quote:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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Yea, but how was he that stressed, I have a friend who is a cop and said in the acadamy and training they basically put you in every situation your going to be in, A black man laying on the floor, a you have at least 3 cops there with you, already searched the man so no weapons, and you decide to shoot him. I'm white and i'm pulling out he race card, Cause a lot of you on here believe the race card don't exist no more and thats more stupid than any stupid thing in this post, if the man was white he would be alive.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
last i checked i thought you had to cock a gun back before you fired it, I don't knoe if police already have there's ready to fire, but if not he had to get it ready to fire and then shoot, so i would think he knew what he was doing.

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Not all guns need to be cocked before being fired, Police keep a round chambered and most guns like my Beretta 92FS, if there is a round in the chamber i can fire as soon as i take the safety off. i forgot what the name of this is though.

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Originally posted by rgtrahn:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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Something i learned from a police officer when dealing with people in the woods. I'll try to explain this as best i can without the video he showed us.
When your coming up to someone you don't know your stressed out because you don't know whats going to happen, your stress goes up when the person is hostile to you, if the person then threatens your life your stress level goes higher. There is a stress level where your brain functions actually stop working.
The video he showed us was an officer pulling over a man in a pick up. Right when the pick up came to a stop the driver jumped out yelling. It esculated to the point where the driver told the officer i am going to kill you. The officer drawed his weapon and pointed it at the suspect, the suspect then proceeded to pull an AR15 out of the back seat of his pick up while the officer was point a gun at him. The suspect was even able to unzip the gun bag the gun was in infront of the officer. All the officer said the ENTIRE video was "Sir, please stop" When the suspect starts shooting you hear the officer screaming please stop please stop. The officer never shot a round off and was shot and killed by the suspect. The officer was so stressed out by the situation he couldn't function on his training.
So it is possible this cop grabbed the wrong gun not knowing which gun it was because he was close to that panic mode but like i said earlier no one will ever REALLY know what was happening but the officer himself.

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I believe you are talking about Deputy Dinkheller. This is a link to the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1173997492

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Not to derail the topic, but that video sent a chill down my spine. That is some serious shit. I wish I could un-see that. Not sure how this applies to the current topic but....DAMN

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yeah creepy video huh. i am just trying to show people that being in stressful situations can make people make mistakes, so that people don't rule out him pulling his handgun and not the taser by accident.
I don't think race has anything to do with this incident, racially motivated occurances usually happen when there is no one watching or when there is like minded people around and no one else.
I don't think the officer pulled his gun and shot the guy because he was black, not with 100 of people watching, on video, etc. racists want to get away with what they did and not go to jail for the rest of their lives.
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
Did they even release the name of the officer yet? How can people assume what race he is when he hasn't even been identified, he could've been mexican, asian, a number of races.
 

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Posted by Pcharged46 (Member # 1664) on :
 
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL
 

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Posted by Pcharged46 (Member # 1664) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jdub07:
...there sure are some really dumb motherfuckers on this site....it's like trying to teach a retard Not to smile.

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True and funny as hell. That made my day.

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
Did they even release the name of the officer yet? How can people assume what race he is when he hasn't even been identified, he could've been mexican, asian, a number of races.

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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Originally posted by DLo:

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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Bad trigger discipline? I was going to suggest this as well, but a lot of people already have it in their minds that the shooting was intentional.

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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Bad trigger discipline? I was going to suggest this as well, but a lot of people already have it in their minds that the shooting was intentional.

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I believe this as well. I am not feeling the "I grabbed the wrong weapon" defense. That is
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by DLo:

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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Bad trigger discipline? I was going to suggest this as well, but a lot of people already have it in their minds that the shooting was intentional.

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I believe this as well. I am not feeling the "I grabbed the wrong weapon" defense. That is

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
if the man was white he would be alive.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
if the man was white he would be alive.

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oooohhhhh my f#$king gawd you are a f#$king retard!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
if the man was white he would be alive.

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oooohhhhh my f#$king gawd you are a f#$king retard!!!!!!!!!!

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Only 2 white men I can think of would be alive after that. Superman and wolverine.

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Originally posted by SPIDER_STANG:
I dont feel he woke up that day to kill a black kid but once he was in the position I'm not sure it didn't run threw his mind.

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wow ya help the gap get bigger your dumb for that comment id call that reverse racism if i ever heard it
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by SPIDER_STANG:
I dont feel he woke up that day to kill a black kid but once he was in the position I'm not sure it didn't run threw his mind.

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wow ya help the gap get bigger your dumb for that comment id call that reverse racism if i ever heard it

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
Did they even release the name of the officer yet? How can people assume what race he is when he hasn't even been identified, he could've been mexican, asian, a number of races.

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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Originally posted by N8:
The video footage from multiple angle is quite conclusive. And really leave not much grey area. I am sure we all understand that the ordeal is never completely over until the situation is completely dissolved or someone is in jail. But rgtrahn, are you really insinuating that you can justify and see how this is a just reaction? I am assuming you are in some sort of law enforcement. If you can justify this shooting you may be in the wrong line of work. I know about the bond that cops have have. But come one, wrong is wrong. Again maybe I am mis-reading your comment but you almost sound more sympathetic and understanding of the officer's position? I seriously hope he gets the same level of justice any person would get for murder. This was a borderline execution in my eyes. but racially charged? I say no.

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
Did they even release the name of the officer yet? How can people assume what race he is when he hasn't even been identified, he could've been mexican, asian, a number of races.

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Officer name : Johannes Mehserle
Address : XXXXX Belvedere Ct. Napa, CA 94559

You can google search his last name and see some death threats were already headed his way.


RIP Grant

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Originally posted by Pcharged46:
I cant believe I am even entertaining this but.....You play how you train..... INDEX INDEX INDEX...I know only few on this site will know what I'm talking about. LOL

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It also looked like he could have had a sympathetic reflex, going back to training and the, " INDEX INDEX INDEX".

This was in no way race motivated and completely a tragic accident. I do not believe an officer is going to risk his freedom and liberty or his families financial freedom to shoot somebody because of their race. Unfortunately, accidental discharges and deaths do happen. Case in point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ez34Kg86AU

Even more, no officer is going to INTENTIONALY discharge their firearm with their partners in that close of proximity, especially, without any warning. You can see how surprised everyone is in the video and how they react.

I would also like to mention since there is a misconception about handcuffs. Handcuffs do not mean the situation has ended or use of force cannot be applied. Handcuffs are ONLY A DEGREE OF CONTROL. People can still be a very real danger and violently resist while handcuff injuring both suspect and officer.

Bottom line, we were not there. All we have seen is a fuzzy camera phone video and biased media reports. We do not know what was really going on in the heads of the officers or the group of people being detained. When the investigation is complete I am sure we will know what happened. One thing I am sure we can agree on is that tragically a man lost his life and will no longer be with us.

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You know, i agree with everything else you said BUT im still finding it hard to convince when you say "no officer is going to INTENTIONALY discharge their firearm with their partners in that close of proximity".

I understand your point, BUT it doesn't make sense at all to draw ANY weapon in the first place, he pulled his weapon out either way.. Even if it was a taser.. He was going to DISCHARGE IT..

Now, i did see a bunch of interviews, videos of the folks that were there, everyone clearly stated that Grant was being co-operative and he was laying face down. There is no reason to pull the weapon out..

Come on now..

Only thing i come up with is that Grant may had VERBALLY threatened the officer and the officer took it personal and pulled out the weapon to threaten him but he had enough training and knowledge to make the call..

Shit is crazy.. Nothing we can do to change this BUT this clearly shows that some officers are out there that arent capable of having a badge. They do some shady shit if no one is around, or when they are with their buddies or when they are in charge.. Maybe thats why most folks dislike cops from experiences.


Like JaeJae said, imagine what wouldve happened if there wasn't a camera in sight? Exactly, the cop nut huggers wouldve jumped onto conclusions in seconds.

I had my fair share of bad experiences with crooked police and if i told the story here, i know what the nutthuggers would say since there isnt no evidence.

I think the government should make a move, they need to do stepp up their game, there are soo many police brutalities caught on tape, so many wrongful doings by police and some get put on admin leave and some get suspended.

F*k that, do a polygraph every 3 months, do standard training tests every 3 months, do an interview every 3 months, pull out their reports and question them every 3 months.

^^ that will help take out the bad apples. There is no need to be scared of cops, but shit like this makes everyone nervous, little youngsters probably seen the news and now they have bad taste in their mouth of cops.
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 

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I understand your point, BUT it doesn't make sense at all to draw ANY weapon in the first place, he pulled his weapon out either way.. Even if it was a taser.. He was going to DISCHARGE IT..

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

I understand your point, BUT it doesn't make sense at all to draw ANY weapon in the first place, he pulled his weapon out either way.. Even if it was a taser.. He was going to DISCHARGE IT..

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I agree, I do not understand it either and I have seen the same video you saw. However, we were not there. Only that officer knows what was going through his head that moment.

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?
 

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Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on :
 

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?

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Only if we have a bunch of dumbass gang bangers who have nothing better to do then stir up violence and promote ignorance.

Oh wait..were talking about Oakland right?

Mike

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?

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Only if we have a bunch of dumbass gang bangers who have nothing better to do then stir up violence and promote ignorance.

Oh wait..were talking about Oakland right?

Mike

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I just see one wrong statement by the PD and this shitstorm turns into an even bigger one.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
The faminly of the guy who got shot just filed a 25 million dollar lawsuit against bart, and i wouldn't be surprised if they get it.

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
anyone see this leading to a situation like the LA riots?

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Only if we have a bunch of dumbass gang bangers who have nothing better to do then stir up violence and promote ignorance.

Oh wait..were talking about Oakland right?

Mike

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
if the man was white he would be alive.

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oooohhhhh my f#$king gawd you are a f#$king retard!!!!!!!!!!

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Only 2 white men I can think of would be alive after that. Superman and wolverine.

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first post in caford history to make me ltfol(laugh the fu@# out loud) n8.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18434205/detail.html

riots already starting
 

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Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 

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Originally posted by bottled95GT??:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18434205/detail.html

riots already starting

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Originally posted by fasthatch:
i have to that dumbass girl is going to get fuck with hard by the police for give that tape to the media

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u left out words but what i understood was
"i have to admit that dumbass girl is going to get fucked with by police for giving that tape to the media"

just what i understood
 

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Posted by fasthatch (Member # 7277) on :
 
you got an if very body else can misspell worng words an slang why can't i use trailerbonics
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
i love cafords its one of the view places dumb people and smart people can communicate to each other

[ January 08, 2009, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: liftedF150 ]
 

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Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
i love cafords its one of the view places dumb people and smart people can communicate to each other

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
i love cafords its one of the view places dumb people and smart people can communicate to each other

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Originally posted by 94gt:

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Originally posted by 94gt:
when a bullet entered his back and ricocheted to his lung area, killing him almost instantly.

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wtf i saw the vid and after he was shot they turned him on his side and he was awake and talking how was it instantly?

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Nice edit job. I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd fix it for me. I didn't say that at all, it was a quote from the article contained in the link.

I don't want to be accused of anything other than trying to straighten out mis-interpreted information, ignorance, inability to read and those who jump to conclusions based upon little to no credible information.

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fix what, you posted it! quote or not, we all saw the vid including you!!! you still posted it with no "ya right" following it or anything.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
i love cafords its one of the view places dumb people and smart people can communicate to each other

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LOL i agree, i read some of these posts and i just shake my head.

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Originally posted by DLo:
We need some translators aboard. Sometimes I really have to strain just to read some of the posts.

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Hate to say it guys...It's not just here. Sadly, I doubt that anyone has invented such a translator. That man/woman would be rich beyond dreams.

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by STEED:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
if you look at their tool belts the taser is located right next to their firearms and in the heat of battle he grabbed the wrong weapon.

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you sir have no brain.
You tell me how many reports have there been where an officer has mistakenly grabbed his "taser" instead of his "gun"?

I'm not going to say race had anything to do with it. But this was no accident, and it's very clear in the video.
Pretending to think you saw otherwise is what is making this post become more "stupid".
It's very clear what happened.
Realize it
Understand it
And for fuck's sake, quit trying to twist it around and blame the victim.

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His gun and his taser are right next to each other ]

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Actually do some research his taser was on his left side, the OPPOSITE side from his gun.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.
 

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Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on :
 
The, "I thought it was my taser" defense is out the window.

1) His taser was on the opposite side of his gun.

2) His taser is yellow.

He should have went with, "I thought he had a weapon" defense. He probably would have been better off.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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This is now where I believe protests are gonna get ridiculous. The dude murdered some one. Why is he not in cuffs in jail awaiting a interview. I can understand if he bailed out. But he has yet to be even talked to. Hell I do not even think charges have been filed. Now I expect and understand the race card. And it is a just playing of a card which we all wish wasn't in the deck at all. Now that he has dodged an IA interview. There is nothing left but the criminal process. Go lock his ass up like a common criminal. I personally still wont fly the race card. Now I think this is a case of someone looking out for one of their own (read: law enforcement). But still lock his ass up.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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This is now where I believe protests are gonna get ridiculous. The dude murdered some one. Why is he not in cuffs in jail awaiting a interview. I can understand if he bailed out. But he has yet to be even talked to. Hell I do not even think charges have been filed. Now I expect and understand the race card. And it is a just playing of a card which we all wish wasn't in the deck at all. Now that he has dodged an IA interview. There is nothing left but the criminal process. Go lock his ass up like a common criminal. I personally still wont fly the race card. Now I think this is a case of someone looking out for one of their own (read: law enforcement). But still lock his ass up.

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5th admendment right he doesnt have to talk, i dont know the laws but the only reason why i dont think he is in custody is because he was law inforcment and they need to make a case before they can just lock him up... i dont think it works the same as a civil case ( i could be wrong im just guessing )

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I can dig that. But from what I have read. Since he has resigned, that opens him up more for the criminal portion (not civil ). In any event he should not be walking around free. I am all for the 5tgh amendment but he should exercise that from behind a steel curtain. No reason for him to still be free. If Oakland knows what is good for them they would lock his ass up. If for nothing else public perception.

[ January 08, 2009, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Get my point now?

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Originally posted by N8:
. But from what I have read. Since he has resigned, that opens him up more for the criminal portion (not civil ).

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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This is now where I believe protests are gonna get ridiculous. The dude murdered some one. Why is he not in cuffs in jail awaiting a interview. I can understand if he bailed out. But he has yet to be even talked to. Hell I do not even think charges have been filed. Now I expect and understand the race card. And it is a just playing of a card which we all wish wasn't in the deck at all. Now that he has dodged an IA interview. There is nothing left but the criminal process. Go lock his ass up like a common criminal. I personally still wont fly the race card. Now I think this is a case of someone looking out for one of their own (read: law enforcement). But still lock his ass up.

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N8, exactly, this is why Oakland is protesting.


What happened Mr officer? I thought you didn't do anything wrong? I thought you made a mistake? Why not speak to the investigators? Why not inform the public?

Resigning ONLY paints ONE clear picture, this piece of shit is 100% guilty and INTENTIONALLY pulled the trigger.

Sorry kids, im not buying the "oh gosh i thought it was a taser" story.

And idiots are wondering sitting behind their PCs "oh gosh they are rioting".. NO SHIT


Everything happens for a reason, 90% of the clowns on Cafords degrade Oakland and never ever have put a foot in Oakland in their life. These are same clowns would wouldnt dare take any MacArthur or any Oakland exits because they fear they might wet their diapers.

What pisses me off is that i was with my homegirl over at Fruitvale last night eating over at Guadalajara Restaurant.. Its located right across from FruitVale Bart.

Few officers stopped by to eat there, they were cool, some even chatted with some of the customers and when me and her left, mind you we were in a 2005 328ci BMW, no tints nothing. She was the driver..

We get followed instantly by a cop for good 2 minutes, every single lane change on MacArthur, cop would do the same, on purpose i made her take the more inner streets of Oakland to see what this cop does.

He follows us for about 3 minutes, decides to pull up next to us on the passenger side at a light... I look over to the cop and notice he had another cop on the passenger side... So when the light turned green, he waits for us to go first so he can decides to get behind us again and tailgate us for another 3 blocks. I made her pull over on the side of the street to see if had anything on us..

He decides to keep going and dissapeared in the dark. This all happened around 9pm..

Shit like that would piss anyone off, makes you want to get out of the vehicle and slap the living shit out of those punks with badges.

And folks wonder why Oakland is ghetto or why people dislike COPS


** Anyone remember Tupac's case when Burris represented him? The punk cops brutally beat Tupac in Oakland just because they didnt believe he was Tupac Shakur.. They thought he stole that ID...I was glad he won that case and got $40,000 for that beating.

The government blamed Tupac for every single "fuck the police" verse on his songs, saying he was promoting hatred on cops, no he didnt.

^^ Thats just an example of why some folks end up hating cops or disliking them, its just their personal experiences with them..

The government definetly should take action now, fix up the corruption in some of the departments in Cali.
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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This is now where I believe protests are gonna get ridiculous. The dude murdered some one. Why is he not in cuffs in jail awaiting a interview. I can understand if he bailed out. But he has yet to be even talked to. Hell I do not even think charges have been filed. Now I expect and understand the race card. And it is a just playing of a card which we all wish wasn't in the deck at all. Now that he has dodged an IA interview. There is nothing left but the criminal process. Go lock his ass up like a common criminal. I personally still wont fly the race card. Now I think this is a case of someone looking out for one of their own (read: law enforcement). But still lock his ass up.

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N8, exactly, this is why Oakland is protesting.


What happened Mr officer? I thought you didn't do anything wrong? I thought you made a mistake? Why not speak to the investigators? Why not inform the public?

Resigning ONLY paints ONE clear picture, this piece of shit is 100% guilty and INTENTIONALLY pulled the trigger.

Sorry kids, im not buying the "oh gosh i thought it was a taser" story.

And idiots are wondering sitting behind their PCs "oh gosh they are rioting".. NO SHIT


Everything happens for a reason, 90% of the clowns on Cafords degrade Oakland and never ever have put a foot in Oakland in their life. These are same clowns would wouldnt dare take any MacArthur or any Oakland exits because they fear they might wet their diapers.

What pisses me off is that i was with my homegirl over at Fruitvale last night eating over at Guadalajara Restaurant.. Its located right across from FruitVale Bart.

Few officers stopped by to eat there, they were cool, some even chatted with some of the customers and when me and her left, mind you we were in a 2005 328ci BMW, no tints nothing. She was the driver..

We get followed instantly by a cop for good 2 minutes, every single lane change on MacArthur, cop would do the same, on purpose i made her take the more inner streets of Oakland to see what this cop does.

He follows us for about 3 minutes, decides to pull up next to us on the passenger side at a light... I look over to the cop and notice he had another cop on the passenger side... So when the light turned green, he waits for us to go first so he can decides to get behind us again and tailgate us for another 3 blocks. I made her pull over on the side of the street to see if had anything on us..

He decides to keep going and dissapeared in the dark. This all happened around 9pm..

Shit like that would piss anyone off, makes you want to get out of the vehicle and slap the living shit out of those punks with badges.

And folks wonder why Oakland is ghetto or why people dislike COPS


** Anyone remember Tupac's case when Burris represented him? The punk cops brutally beat Tupac in Oakland just because they didnt believe he was Tupac Shakur.. They thought he stole that ID...I was glad he won that case and got $40,000 for that beating.

The government blamed Tupac for every single "fuck the police" verse on his songs, saying he was promoting hatred on cops, no he didnt.

^^ Thats just an example of why some folks end up hating cops or disliking them, its just their personal experiences with them..

The government definetly should take action now, fix up the corruption in some of the departments in Cali.

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Oh shit! They tailgated you? We need to go protest. Then start a riot and destroy peoples business's and cars who had ZERO to do with the cop following you. That will get people to think differently!

Mike
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Yea ALstock I am behind you 100% on this one. The main people complaining about Oakland and why people play the race card has never had anything unjust done to them due to their skin color. I mean a God-given trait, that none of us are in control of seriously hinders some people from either A treating us with common decency or B giving us equal service or equal rights. Just let that sink in for a bit. Then apply that rationale to how these residents must feel when they see the book being thrown at their neighbors and loved ones for trumped up charges, minor traffic offenses, mistaken identity, the list goes on. Then hopefully that will help you understand the race card and why these Oakland residents are furious. Every race has their issues and so called stereo-types. But for some reason some folks here think it is cool to parade around other races misfortunes or stereotypes without first looking at their own. Shit I am more afraid of the kids that are in these suburban areas with the good-life than I am of the inner city youths (Columbine High ring a bell). But yet some of you feel comfortable sitting up on your perch judging people and labeling others. It is pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Now back to topic.

Slowly it is shaping up that this cop is truly defective. And his actions so far say nothing but raw guilt or even gross negligence IMO. I mean why resign? Take your administrative leave and let it run its course. He should be locked up due to the flight risk side of things IMO.

90GT
Keep in mind if it weren't for march's and even riots. Alot of things would be different for minorities. While I do condone a riot or violence. It seems to be the most effective way to get heard in the face of injustice. And it is no accident that just about every riot has a racial undertone. People just get sick and tired. And for some reason the system drags it's feet when a minority is the victim. Like I said earlier. I do not believe this is racially charged. But I can see how one can take it that way.

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Posted by 91MSDFox (Member # 8749) on :
 
Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

 

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Yea ALstock I am behind you 100% on this one. The main people complaining about Oakland and why people play the race card has never had anything unjust done to them due to their skin color. I mean a God-given trait, that none of us are in control of seriously hinders some people from either A treating us with common decency or B giving us equal service or equal rights. Just let that sink in for a bit. Then apply that rationale to how these residents must feel when they see the book being thrown at their neighbors and loved ones for trumped up charges, minor traffic offenses, mistaken identity, the list goes on. Then hopefully that will help you understand the race card and why these Oakland residents are furious. Every race has their issues and so called stereo-types. But for some reason some folks here think it is cool to parade around other races misfortunes or stereotypes without first looking at their own. Shit I am more afraid of the kids that are in these suburban areas with the good-life than I am of the inner city youths (Columbine High ring a bell). But yet some of you feel comfortable sitting up on your perch judging people and labeling others. It is pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Now back to topic.

Slowly it is shaping up that this cop is truly defective. And his actions so far say nothing but raw guilt or even gross negligence IMO. I mean why resign? Take your administrative leave and let it run its course. He should be locked up due to the flight risk side of things IMO.

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Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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see my above post, you quoted before I edited.

I dont know 90gt. Maybe you are young and know no better or older and never experienced racial injustice. but it is real. And like I said maybe does not apply here. But you have to understand why these folks feel this way. Everyone is entitled to a opinion. but if you are going to put down groups or races. At least have a dignified and educated response.

And why would you resign for shooting someone on accident? It is unheralded that this happens? An accident is a accident. I personally think he is running. He circumvented one channel of justice by doing so. There was no other gain to be had. Now to the public it seems this way to. But it also seems he is dodging common justice now. Thus the riot and protests.

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see my above post, you quoted before I edited.

I dont know 90gt. Maybe you are young and know no better or older and never experienced racial injustice. but it is real. And like I said maybe does not apply here. But you have to understand why these folks feel this way. Everyone is entitled to a opinion. but if you are going to put down groups or races. At least have a dignified and educated response.

And why would you resign for shooting someone on accident? It is unheralded that this happens? An accident is a accident. I personally think he is running. He circumvented one channel of justice by doing so. There was no other gain to be had. Now to the public it seems this way to. But it also seems he is dodging common justice now. Thus the riot and protests.

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I agree that there are still racial injustices present in todays society. But wont I don't agree upon is that its the first thing everyone falls back on. They play the race card every chance they get. Thats the part that kills me.

Mike

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Looks like Mr officer resigned and skipped the interview No wonder protests are forming.

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This is now where I believe protests are gonna get ridiculous. The dude murdered some one. Why is he not in cuffs in jail awaiting a interview. I can understand if he bailed out. But he has yet to be even talked to. Hell I do not even think charges have been filed. Now I expect and understand the race card. And it is a just playing of a card which we all wish wasn't in the deck at all. Now that he has dodged an IA interview. There is nothing left but the criminal process. Go lock his ass up like a common criminal. I personally still wont fly the race card. Now I think this is a case of someone looking out for one of their own (read: law enforcement). But still lock his ass up.

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N8, exactly, this is why Oakland is protesting.


What happened Mr officer? I thought you didn't do anything wrong? I thought you made a mistake? Why not speak to the investigators? Why not inform the public?

Resigning ONLY paints ONE clear picture, this piece of shit is 100% guilty and INTENTIONALLY pulled the trigger.

Sorry kids, im not buying the "oh gosh i thought it was a taser" story.

And idiots are wondering sitting behind their PCs "oh gosh they are rioting".. NO SHIT


Everything happens for a reason, 90% of the clowns on Cafords degrade Oakland and never ever have put a foot in Oakland in their life. These are same clowns would wouldnt dare take any MacArthur or any Oakland exits because they fear they might wet their diapers.

What pisses me off is that i was with my homegirl over at Fruitvale last night eating over at Guadalajara Restaurant.. Its located right across from FruitVale Bart.

Few officers stopped by to eat there, they were cool, some even chatted with some of the customers and when me and her left, mind you we were in a 2005 328ci BMW, no tints nothing. She was the driver..

We get followed instantly by a cop for good 2 minutes, every single lane change on MacArthur, cop would do the same, on purpose i made her take the more inner streets of Oakland to see what this cop does.

He follows us for about 3 minutes, decides to pull up next to us on the passenger side at a light... I look over to the cop and notice he had another cop on the passenger side... So when the light turned green, he waits for us to go first so he can decides to get behind us again and tailgate us for another 3 blocks. I made her pull over on the side of the street to see if had anything on us..

He decides to keep going and dissapeared in the dark. This all happened around 9pm..

Shit like that would piss anyone off, makes you want to get out of the vehicle and slap the living shit out of those punks with badges.

And folks wonder why Oakland is ghetto or why people dislike COPS


** Anyone remember Tupac's case when Burris represented him? The punk cops brutally beat Tupac in Oakland just because they didnt believe he was Tupac Shakur.. They thought he stole that ID...I was glad he won that case and got $40,000 for that beating.

The government blamed Tupac for every single "fuck the police" verse on his songs, saying he was promoting hatred on cops, no he didnt.

^^ Thats just an example of why some folks end up hating cops or disliking them, its just their personal experiences with them..

The government definetly should take action now, fix up the corruption in some of the departments in Cali.

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Oh shit! They tailgated you? We need to go protest. Then start a riot and destroy peoples business's and cars who had ZERO to do with the cop following you. That will get people to think differently!

Mike

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see my above post, you quoted before I edited.

I dont know 90gt. Maybe you are young and know no better or older and never experienced racial injustice. but it is real. And like I said maybe does not apply here. But you have to understand why these folks feel this way. Everyone is entitled to a opinion. but if you are going to put down groups or races. At least have a dignified and educated response.

And why would you resign for shooting someone on accident? It is unheralded that this happens? An accident is a accident. I personally think he is running. He circumvented one channel of justice by doing so. There was no other gain to be had. Now to the public it seems this way to. But it also seems he is dodging common justice now. Thus the riot and protests.

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I agree that there are still racial injustices present in todays society. But wont I don't agree upon is that its the first thing everyone falls back on. They play the race card every chance they get. Thats the part that kills me.

Mike

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See that is where you contradict yourself. One one hand you observe racial justices occur. But then you say "Why play the race card every chance you get". Now if you are just referring to this topic. Then I agree the race card is not justified. But that is from my perspective. And this is coming from a black man who has been harassed due to my skin color. The key thing is I am making this singular and pertaining to this scenario and not throwing out a blanket statement like you are. You follow me? You are saying from a white person's standpoint, from a perch that has never been done wrong because of their skin color that the race card is this and it's that. And you are applying it to everyone and every situation. And that is where your ignorance or youth comes to play. DOn't you think there are those among the protesters that are fresh from the arms of said racial inequality? Don't you think there are those among them who had parents that were black panthers? DOnt you think there are those among them that have been brutalized by that law enforcement agency? At some point people feel the need to draw the line in the sand, and make a stand. Thus protests occur and sometimes they get heated. So there are many perspectives to consider before you label everyone hoods or criminals because they are from Oakland. Also you forget that the rioters were a small portion of the total group protesting. SO have some compassion and understanding and things may come across better from you.

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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If the cop follows you for three block..oh fucking well. I'm white, and I've been followed for mile through town when i was driving my FOCUS!.....must of been a black cop right? Cause no white cop would do that to a fellow white person.

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WTF a black cop? Wow I havent mentioned anything in regards to this being a racial issue. You're white too? BOO-HOO, im indian and the girl driving happened to be persian but we didnt even look at it like a racial thing, just a cop UP TO NO GOOD INSTIGATING SHIT when he has 100 other problems to worry about

You were followed by a mile? YOu didnt do anything wrong right? Did it ever strike you in your mind "Why is he behind me for so long? I have nothing to hide..Doesnt he have other things to do?".

If had that thought did then there you go, and if you did not, then you probably had something to hide.


ALso to your response saying Oakland is full of gang bangers LOL! I been there so many times and NEVER EVER gotten hassled by any gang banger or a thug.. Its really how you carry yourself but when you have Cops acting like a gang members themselves then shit doesnt look right..
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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If the cop follows you for three block..oh fucking well. I'm white, and I've been followed for mile through town when i was driving my FOCUS!.....must of been a black cop right? Cause no white cop would do that to a fellow white person.

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WTF a black cop? Wow I havent mentioned anything in regards to this being a racial issue. You're white too? BOO-HOO, im indian and the girl driving happened to be persian but we didnt even look at it like a racial thing, just a cop UP TO NO GOOD INSTIGATING SHIT when he has 100 other problems to worry about

You were followed by a mile? YOu didnt do anything wrong right? Did it ever strike you in your mind "Why is he behind me for so long? I have nothing to hide..Doesnt he have other things to do?".

If had that thought did then there you go, and if you did not, then you probably had something to hide.


ALso to your response saying Oakland is full of gang bangers LOL! I been there so many times and NEVER EVER gotten hassled by any gang banger or a thug.. Its really how you carry yourself but when you have Cops acting like a gang members themselves then shit doesnt look right..

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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If the cop follows you for three block..oh fucking well. I'm white, and I've been followed for mile through town when i was driving my FOCUS!.....must of been a black cop right? Cause no white cop would do that to a fellow white person.

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WTF a black cop? Wow I havent mentioned anything in regards to this being a racial issue. You're white too? BOO-HOO, im indian and the girl driving happened to be persian but we didnt even look at it like a racial thing, just a cop UP TO NO GOOD INSTIGATING SHIT when he has 100 other problems to worry about

You were followed by a mile? YOu didnt do anything wrong right? Did it ever strike you in your mind "Why is he behind me for so long? I have nothing to hide..Doesnt he have other things to do?".

If had that thought did then there you go, and if you did not, then you probably had something to hide.


ALso to your response saying Oakland is full of gang bangers LOL! I been there so many times and NEVER EVER gotten hassled by any gang banger or a thug.. Its really how you carry yourself but when you have Cops acting like a gang members themselves then shit doesnt look right..

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Unfortunately a few years back I was indeed mugged by some gang bangers from Oakland at the Collesium station. But they were Latino, not black.

Not fun time at all, so when I see the news stories I tend to believe it about all the crime since it did in fact happen to me.

Mike

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by 91MSDFox:
Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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If the cop follows you for three block..oh fucking well. I'm white, and I've been followed for mile through town when i was driving my FOCUS!.....must of been a black cop right? Cause no white cop would do that to a fellow white person.

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WTF a black cop? Wow I havent mentioned anything in regards to this being a racial issue. You're white too? BOO-HOO, im indian and the girl driving happened to be persian but we didnt even look at it like a racial thing, just a cop UP TO NO GOOD INSTIGATING SHIT when he has 100 other problems to worry about

You were followed by a mile? YOu didnt do anything wrong right? Did it ever strike you in your mind "Why is he behind me for so long? I have nothing to hide..Doesnt he have other things to do?".

If had that thought did then there you go, and if you did not, then you probably had something to hide.


ALso to your response saying Oakland is full of gang bangers LOL! I been there so many times and NEVER EVER gotten hassled by any gang banger or a thug.. Its really how you carry yourself but when you have Cops acting like a gang members themselves then shit doesnt look right..

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Unfortunately a few years back I was indeed mugged by some gang bangers from Oakland at the Collesium station. But they were Latino, not black.

Not fun time at all, so when I see the news stories I tend to believe it about all the crime since it did in fact happen to me.

Mike

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That sucks, im pretty sure everyone been through those situations, getting mugged, robbed, jacked, jumped etc etc But doesnt mean that whichever city it happened in, is the DEVIL city.

Shit happens everywhere, usually happens when you least expect it but imagine if you pulled over in Oakland, cop decides you "LOOK" drunk, makes you go through all the tests and YET you pass everything, he searches your vehicle, steals the cash you had for your rent in the glove compartment and lets you go with a warning..You go home and realise your money is missing.. Now YOU CANT DO SHIT! You cant complain obviously the government wont believe you for shit...

Basically now you just got mugged by a cop instead of those gang bangers.. wouldve been different right?

Ever wondered why Oakland sounds so bad? Maybe if the government/cops did their job catching the bad guys, then it wouldve been so bad. YET they do shit thats uncalled for, like following folks for no damm reason..

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I admit that would piss me off no doubt.

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
And thanks Al Stock for having an intelligent conversation.


Mike
 

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Posted by 9cobrasnake9 (Member # 575) on :
 
Personally, if I was pissed about a cop tailgateing me I would just slam on the brakes and have him rearend me. His bad...I would stop that injustice right in its tracks!!
 

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Personally, if I was pissed about a cop tailgateing me I would just slam on the brakes and have him rearend me. His bad...I would stop that injustice right in its tracks!!

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Mike your just an asshole why cant you respect others opinions and keep all that bagging on the lower class people to yourself?

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If the cop follows you for three block..oh fucking well. I'm white, and I've been followed for mile through town when i was driving my FOCUS!.....must of been a black cop right? Cause no white cop would do that to a fellow white person.

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WTF a black cop? Wow I havent mentioned anything in regards to this being a racial issue. You're white too? BOO-HOO, im indian and the girl driving happened to be persian but we didnt even look at it like a racial thing, just a cop UP TO NO GOOD INSTIGATING SHIT when he has 100 other problems to worry about

You were followed by a mile? YOu didnt do anything wrong right? Did it ever strike you in your mind "Why is he behind me for so long? I have nothing to hide..Doesnt he have other things to do?".

If had that thought did then there you go, and if you did not, then you probably had something to hide.


ALso to your response saying Oakland is full of gang bangers LOL! I been there so many times and NEVER EVER gotten hassled by any gang banger or a thug.. Its really how you carry yourself but when you have Cops acting like a gang members themselves then shit doesnt look right..

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Unfortunately a few years back I was indeed mugged by some gang bangers from Oakland at the Collesium station. But they were Latino, not black.

Not fun time at all, so when I see the news stories I tend to believe it about all the crime since it did in fact happen to me.

Mike

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This thread has made some progress and CAFORDS has made some progress. It's a 7 page thread and it hasn't been moved to street racing. The opposes are running out of arguments and its just down to "race".
I think, both sides are right. I believe the cop didn't mean to shot this guy and I believe if he was white he still would be alive.
Question to ask yourself
If it was a white guy would the cop have pulled his gun out?
I've seen people have guns drawn on them by cops from street racing. quick story: I'm racing another guy in Oakland on Hegenber back in 2001 and a cop catches us at the light. pulls between both of us, 1 cop pulls a gun on the 5.0 I was racing and the other cop let me go. Then later caught me at the next light. Now the cop that pulled his gun out on the 5.0 could've accidentally shot the driver.
Case and point, the officer may not have intended on shooting Oscar Brown but he did intend on pulling his gun out. It's just tragic that it had to go off.

I'm not a racist and I don't believe in the race card, deuces are always wild in my deck and race will never be an excuses for any of my past, present or future misfortunes

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Originally posted by N8:
Keep in mind if it weren't for march's and even riots. Alot of things would be different for minorities. While I do condone a riot or violence. It seems to be the most effective way to get heard in the face of injustice. And it is no accident that just about every riot has a racial undertone. People just get sick and tired. And for some reason the system drags it's feet when a minority is the victim.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by N8:
[QB] Mike are you seriously gonna sit here and tell me that racial inequality doesn't exist today?

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I agree that there are still racial injustices present in todays society. But wont I don't agree upon is that its the first thing everyone falls back on. They play the race card every chance they get. Thats the part that kills me.

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Originally posted by kingroy:
This thread has made some progress and CAFORDS has made some progress. It's a 7 page thread and it hasn't been moved to street racing. The opposes are running out of arguments and its just down to "race".
I think, both sides are right. I believe the cop didn't mean to shot this guy and I believe if he was white he still would be alive.
Question to ask yourself
If it was a white guy would the cop have pulled his gun out?
I've seen people have guns drawn on them by cops from street racing. quick story: I'm racing another guy in Oakland on Hegenber back in 2001 and a cop catches us at the light. pulls between both of us, 1 cop pulls a gun on the 5.0 I was racing and the other cop let me go. Then later caught me at the next light. Now the cop that pulled his gun out on the 5.0 could've accidentally shot the driver.
Case and point, the officer may not have intended on shooting Oscar Brown but he did intend on pulling his gun out. It's just tragic that it had to go off.

I'm not a racist and I don't believe in the race card, deuces are always wild in my deck and race will never be an excuses for any of my past, present or future misfortunes

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I will agree with most of what is said here, but once again I go back to personal experiences with cops.

I am white. I have had police pull a gun on me 3 times.

1. Cops thought I was running from them on my motorcycle (long story, I wasnt, but they didnt know that. Got off with a speeding ticket thanks to one of the officers who actually saw what happened).

2. Drunken fight when I was younger.

3. Felony stop, my car at the time matched the description of a bank robbery suspect at the Bank of America in Livermore

So from personal experience. Yes, if the kid was white I fully believe that the same thing would have happened.

Mike

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by kingroy:
This thread has made some progress and CAFORDS has made some progress. It's a 7 page thread and it hasn't been moved to street racing. The opposes are running out of arguments and its just down to "race".
I think, both sides are right. I believe the cop didn't mean to shot this guy and I believe if he was white he still would be alive.
Question to ask yourself
If it was a white guy would the cop have pulled his gun out?
I've seen people have guns drawn on them by cops from street racing. quick story: I'm racing another guy in Oakland on Hegenber back in 2001 and a cop catches us at the light. pulls between both of us, 1 cop pulls a gun on the 5.0 I was racing and the other cop let me go. Then later caught me at the next light. Now the cop that pulled his gun out on the 5.0 could've accidentally shot the driver.
Case and point, the officer may not have intended on shooting Oscar Brown but he did intend on pulling his gun out. It's just tragic that it had to go off.

I'm not a racist and I don't believe in the race card, deuces are always wild in my deck and race will never be an excuses for any of my past, present or future misfortunes

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I will agree with most of what is said here, but once again I go back to personal experiences with cops.

I am white. I have had police pull a gun on me 3 times.

1. Cops thought I was running from them on my motorcycle (long story, I wasnt, but they didnt know that. Got off with a speeding ticket thanks to one of the officers who actually saw what happened).

2. Drunken fight when I was younger.

3. Felony stop, my car at the time matched the description of a bank robbery suspect at the Bank of America in Livermore

So from personal experience. Yes, if the kid was white I fully believe that the same thing would have happened.

Mike

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black or white he would still be dead. the fact is the cop was a rookie! i realy had some respect for n8's comment a few pages back about triger control, that seems very plausible especially to me a gun owner and lover. look, every one in that place was surprised including the shooter when that gun went off. i would have loved to see this thread be an intelligent one, but man we are way past that now!

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AL STOCK
are you kidding me the, cops are doing there job. theoretically speaking, what about the guys that where coming to do a drive by on your house last night. they where in a phantom and the cops tailgated them for no reason, and made a routine stop on them and found three mini 14s and saved your life all because they tail gated for no reason. you can give up the crooked ass cop shit cuz thats not politically correct, what you mean to say is crooked ass people. there every where not just cops and there not all crooked. for your statement about people being scared to go to hard as nails oakland, common man we both know it aint the hardest place in the state. im from LA and all these places seem the same to me. plus i been to oakland right on oak street where people got plywood for doors and ropes to tie them shut!!!!!!

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Still retards on here, what exactly do you think cops should do idiot. Obviously you dont like them driving down the street because when they follow you thats makes you upset. So tell me what exactly they should do all night?

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Lay off the name calling genious. Keep it civilized here.

And obvoiusly you just contradicted yourself by clearly stating that "what do you want cops do to all night".. I mean did you even think before you responded?

Think Think............ Ding ding ding! crack heads running around, shitting on the street its fucked up. You dont see anyone in my neighborhood walked around, O I forgot because they have joibs and are at work, WOW what a concept, HUH.

Thats what a COP THATS DOING NOTHING.. GETTING PAID FOR FOLLOWING people should be doing.

Getting those CRACKHEADS OFF THE DAMM STREETS. FIX OAKLAND MR LAW ENFORCEMENT! You are getting paid to "SERVE AND PROTECT" your community, do your DAMM JOB then! And geniuses wonder why Oakland is so messed up BEYOUND repair

Retardation at its best
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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You know and i know, if the cop was doing his job, then he couldve easily pulled me over at in the first 60 seconds of encounter. He didnt do that, he followed us around for about 180 seconds. What justifies that?

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Some crooked ass ones TAKE advantage of their power, they instigate shit for no reason. They do illegal shit all over.

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Why is L.A ghetto or tough? If you look into history or as you say you lived in L.A, then you would know the governments history in L.A, how they HELPED promoted gang voilence, bloods and crips. How cops did dirty shit as picking up a Crip and beating his ass, covering his eyes and dropping him off to a blood hood.. Shit is real..

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
You know and i know, if the cop was doing his job, then he couldve easily pulled me over at in the first 60 seconds of encounter. He didnt do that, he followed us around for about 180 seconds. What justifies that?

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nothig, but lets just say you where in a low income neighbor hood in a beemer. i meen im from the hood and when see i that i know that a. someone is buying something or b. its a boss you dont think the cops know that to?

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nothig, but lets just say you where in a low income neighbor hood in a beemer. i meen im from the hood and when see i that i know that a. someone is buying something or b. its a boss you dont think the cops know that to?

Isn't that considered profiling? Just because i have a BMW in a low income neighbourhood doesn't give a cop ANY right to follow me around. We live in U.S.A, the land of freedom... Wheres my freedom?


all crooked people are going to take as much advantage as they can, like i said not just cops.

Agreed


we need them and theres never going to be a way around shady people, thats just human nature.

We definetly need them, but we don't need the crooked ones right or the ones that don't know how to do their job, thats where we come back to this thread, how the shooting happened.

Thats why Oakland is protesting, they want justice, they want answers, so all in all, my conclusion is that the government should now open up their eyes and see what happens when they have rookie cops, crooked cops, untrained cops etc etc, they need to bump up their standards and get the qualified ones to do the job right.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
I want to be as thoughtful and respectful and openminded as possible. I do not want to play the "race" card, I want to play the AMERICA card, the education card, the historical card. I am in my mid thirties and grew up in Oakland. Every city has its issues,the larger the city, the larger the issues. However, one must be honest about racial profiling, abuse of force and power, and disrespect for another person's human rights. We all have them. This incident was racially motivated from the treatment of the youngman, to the slurs that were uttered during the alteration. America has its way of looking the other way when police violence is inflicted on its minority citizens. We have police in New York shoving broom handles up people's rectums, shooting down unarmed men without criminal ties or backgrounds, LA police, Minnesota Police,Chicago Police, etc. Violence against urban males at the hands of the police is a HUGE problem. I have a cross section of degrees and have written extensively on race relations in America. If we are going to make any progress we need to stand up for each other when things go wrong. Not be overly neutral and discount the issues. If this incident were an isolated situation or a rare misfortune, I could understand. This situation is the norm, not the exception. I remember back in 1995 right after my twins were born. I was with my wife and our kids on the 205 headed to the Bay Area. I was in my 1985 Mustang GT,all stock, less the Mesh Enkies and the upgraded 1993 exhaust. I was pulled over by CHP. I wasn't speeding, no lights out, NOTHING. When pulled over, the officer asked for my license and insurance which I gave him. He then asked me to get out of the car a few moments later. He asked me to step back to his car, which I did. He asked me where I was going. Then he went and asked my wife where we were going. I WAS PISSED! I felt utterly disrespected. I asked him why he stopped me and he ignored me. It was as if he was trying to provoke me. I was not dressed like a thug, not sagging, nothing. However, I knew the drill. It's a sad day in our lovely country when one part of the population knows that they better not better say anything back or defend themselves as it could turn fatal for them. I wanted to let him have it so bad. I felt completely embarrassed in front of my wife. People riding by looking making all kinds of assumptions. That is not the first or the last time things of that nature have happened to me. I do not have a criminal record either. What made the incident super foul was that I had my 8 month old kids in the back of our car. Say what you will, but we have a problem in our society. As a group, we have to all be outraged and honest about the conditions in which we live in. That's just my two cents...
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ok so i have highlighted some parts of your story, actualy those are the only ones that realy stuck out to me. 1. i am honest about it. its dead, america is so divers now that everyone is interacial now a days
2.what slurs are you talking about, because i didnt hear any from the cops did anyone else??????????????????????????????????
3.this same situatin to the t has happened to about 100 people that i know personaly, go figure how many in history!!!!!
4.that what starts thr racial profiling thig people are insicure, people werent making assumptions about you they where just looking its human nature
5.i dont have one eather i still get f#$ked with
6.are you saying only good law abiding citizens can have babys????????????

[ January 08, 2009, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
As far as what cops should do in their down time, I think they should prevent crime and respond to 911 calls, not sit in urban locales and intimidate uneducated residents.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
You know and i know, if the cop was doing his job, then he couldve easily pulled me over at in the first 60 seconds of encounter. He didnt do that, he followed us around for about 180 seconds. What justifies that?

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nothig, but lets just say you where in a low income neighbor hood in a beemer. i meen im from the hood and when see i that i know that a. someone is buying something or b. its a boss you dont think the cops know that to?

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I can't believe you just wrote that. Do you actually think that way. You're just made his point. You need a book and the history channel.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
[QUOTE]Thats why Oakland is protesting, they want justice, they want answers, so all in all, my conclusion is that the government should now open up their eyes and see what happens when they have rookie cops, crooked cops, untrained cops etc etc, they need to bump up their standards and get the qualified ones to do the job right.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by kingroy:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
You know and i know, if the cop was doing his job, then he couldve easily pulled me over at in the first 60 seconds of encounter. He didnt do that, he followed us around for about 180 seconds. What justifies that?

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nothig, but lets just say you where in a low income neighbor hood in a beemer. i meen im from the hood and when see i that i know that a. someone is buying something or b. its a boss you dont think the cops know that to?

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I can't believe you just wrote that. Do you actually think that way. You're just made his point. You need a book and the history channel.

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for what cuz you buy drugs from mine or his neighborhood in your beemer

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
Interesting remarks to say the least. I never complained about police following me (although it is pretty irritating), so maybe your remarks are addressing someone else. I spoke about being pulled over without cause,which is called racial profiling, and being embarrassed in front of my wife. If my vehicle would not have had registration, or I had some other visible violation, pull me over, that is your job. But not just because you feel like it and you have the power to do it

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Originally posted by kingroy:
lol.

Who is this joker?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AL STOCK:
[qb] ok now thats educated but a riot common get real

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
Life without police would be pretty interesting. However, I do not feel that safe with them. I use my right to bear arms, so I can protect my own family. And you are also right about police being regular people, and that is why they should not be conducting themselves as personal judges and abusing their authority, and losing the public's trust. if they did a better job and had better relationships with people within the community, trust would increase and their would be less crime.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AL STOCK:
[qb] ok now thats educated but a riot common get real

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Im anti-riot all the way. Violence will need to nothing.

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
Interesting remarks to say the least. I never complained about police following me (although it is pretty irritating), so maybe your remarks are addressing someone else. I spoke about being pulled over without cause,which is called racial profiling, and being embarrassed in front of my wife. If my vehicle would not have had registration, or I had some other visible violation, pull me over, that is your job. But not just because you feel like it and you have the power to do it

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so wait, this same thing has happened to me numerous times by white cops, do that mean they dont like white people or is it just racial profileing when its done to a black person. see my point

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
fr.50, a riot is not cool at all, but that's what people do when they reach a boiling point. They explode. Dellums has done something right, he has OPD investigating the incident as a homicide. The fact is, we are talking about someone's life. He had family, a daughter, friends, a mother, people are hurt and want answers. We all should understand that. I don't have any idea how I would feel if that were my brother, cousin, uncle, etc. I was be beyond consolement. But it is obvious to me that some people in our dear forum lack empathy. If it were a regular police butt spanken caught on camera, ok.But it was a shooting...someone died, it is unquestionable...

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people are always going to hate the guy that enforces the law people will never love him or give him respect

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Originally posted by kingroy:
lol.

Who is this joker?

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im the realist that just called you out

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
No doubt, fr.50, but my point is that they should not abuse the public trust with their judgement. In other words, the color of my skin should not make me suspect. It's alot of hype around COLORED crime, because that is what the media plays. However, being a sociologist student taught me alot. Those police know better, but because there is no strong watchdog, they cut the fool daily. In other words, Black and Latino men are not the only ones committing violent crimes, stealing cars, selling weed, etc. In all honesty, its a male thing. But because one part of the population is targeted more, the numbers show up lopsided. Anyway, this is a good discussion guys, keep it going...and fr.50, I do not have enough bullets, my point was that if someone comes to my door with madness, I can protect my family. We have a total of 5 officers in my immediate family, two regular cops and two correctional officers and I do get both sides.

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
Fr.5.0, if you go back to my example in my post, no one was enforcing anything when I got pulled over. I was being bothered...Respect is a two way street. A badge and a gun does not allow you to be disrespectful to others.

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respect is earned you are refuring to courtesy. like i said i have been in the same situation to the t. does that make it better, no but now you know it happens to white people to!
 

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Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on :
 
The comment i made a few pages back was misunderstood. Like i said i'm white and have a lot of non-criminal black, white and latino friends. So you guys talking about there is not a race card are ignorant(fr50). I been pulled over a bunch of time with a car full of black and white people doing nothing wrong. Its a shame what a differance it was how the cops acted towards the car from black to white. So for you guys to say thier is no race card are the ones that are retarded and have no expierience to even be talking about the subject. Like i said if the guy was white the cops would not of been that aggresive in the first place so he would still be alive
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
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Posted by BlowN67 (Member # 4229) on :
 
they just need to put a 4ft thick wall completely around Oakland an call it a day. let them have it all to themselfs. with an option gate but i wouldnt.


 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
The comment i made a few pages back was misunderstood. Like i said i'm white and have a lot of non-criminal black, white and latino friends. So you guys talking about there is not a race card are ignorant(fr50). I been pulled over a bunch of time with a car full of black and white people doing nothing wrong. Its a shame what a differance it was how the cops acted towards the car from black to white. So for you guys to say thier is no race card are the ones that are retarded and have no expierience to even be talking about the subject. Like i said if the guy was white the cops would not of been that aggresive in the first place so he would still be alive

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
The comment i made a few pages back was misunderstood. Like i said i'm white and have a lot of non-criminal black, white and latino friends. So you guys talking about there is not a race card are ignorant(fr50). I been pulled over a bunch of time with a car full of black and white people doing nothing wrong. Its a shame what a differance it was how the cops acted towards the car from black to white. So for you guys to say thier is no race card are the ones that are retarded and have no expierience to even be talking about the subject. Like i said if the guy was white the cops would not of been that aggresive in the first place so he would still be alive

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ill call bullshit on that one to, only because you cant go back and change skin color. i think i made my self clear when i said, cops are regular people which means they can have a bad day to. just like you and me, and i aint gunna lie i look for fights when im in a bad mood. that doesnt justify anything i guess cuz every one is different, but it does go to show how i differ from you!!!

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Originally posted by CobraKilla:
I like how it's now a post bashing Oakland PD when they didn't have anything to do with the shooting...

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Good catch
 

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Posted by 91MSDFox (Member # 8749) on :
 
10 fucking pages wow...i just have to say this thread has gone to far ..lol
 

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Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 

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Originally posted by BlowN67:
they just need to put a 4ft thick wall completely around Oakland an call it a day. let them have it all to themselfs. with an option gate but i wouldnt.

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lol
 

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Posted by 351mclaren (Member # 2275) on :
 
I'm done with the topic gentlemen, but I appreciate all of the different thoughts. As I reflect on the situation and a few of the remarks made, no one has cared to address the history of race relations in our country. We are just 30 years out of segregation. Stockton desegregated in 1975. On the books, we say it's 1954, but we know that a national culture does not change just because someone passes a law. When thinking about how I feel when I am followed by police officers, I honestly worry about my safety and the value of my life because I do not know what will happen when and if I am pulled over. To my fellow white members on the board, my remarks were never meant to be an attack on you or your experiences, or to alienate you, but this profiling goes far beyond our mustangs. Watch the movie crash for some insight, not saying you guys don't already have insight. But i'm asking you to look beyond your everyday reality into somone's else's life. In all reality, I cannot even picture a white man in a business suit being pulled out of a vehicle and searched. I'm not saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that is far reaching for me. Race whether we want to address it or not, plays a big role in our everyday lives. I have associates of all ethnic backgrounds and I often laugh at some of the naive remarks people make toward my culture due to ignorance, and as one of my fellow board member said, intelligence rules! How do we get the knowledge if we refuse to look at the truth? How many times in the last 3 years have your scene a white male being beaten on TV by the police? Or being followed around in a clothing or grocery store? Someone in our group in the last few posts said we waisted 10 pages...my comment is that I think that young man life and this situation is worth a discussion....My sons are both good students and I worry about them daily...anyway...GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
 

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Posted by 510cpskid (Member # 8277) on :
 
is the cop even white his name sounds middle eastern
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Well things got quite escalated since I posted. So I will summarize all my points.

1. I do not think this was racially motivated. But I do understand those that may see it that way.

2. I sincerely wish people would stop generalizing Oakland. And labeling people. Really ignorant.

3. Thanks to those who had a civil conversation and stated their points concisely.

4. If OPD does not handle this correctly. There will be a bad scene in Oakland.

There that is all I have said. This whole time
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
I'm done with the topic gentlemen, but I appreciate all of the different thoughts. As I reflect on the situation and a few of the remarks made, no one has cared to address the history of race relations in our country. We are just 30 years out of segregation. Stockton desegregated in 1975. On the books, we say it's 1954, but we know that a national culture does not change just because someone passes a law. When thinking about how I feel when I am followed by police officers, I honestly worry about my safety and the value of my life because I do not know what will happen when and if I am pulled over. To my fellow white members on the board, my remarks were never meant to be an attack on you or your experiences, or to alienate you, but this profiling goes far beyond our mustangs. Watch the movie crash for some insight, not saying you guys don't already have insight. But i'm asking you to look beyond your everyday reality into somone's else's life. In all reality, I cannot even picture a white man in a business suit being pulled out of a vehicle and searched. I'm not saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that is far reaching for me. Race whether we want to address it or not, plays a big role in our everyday lives. I have associates of all ethnic backgrounds and I often laugh at some of the naive remarks people make toward my culture due to ignorance, and as one of my fellow board member said, intelligence rules! How do we get the knowledge if we refuse to look at the truth? How many times in the last 3 years have your scene a white male being beaten on TV by the police? Or being followed around in a clothing or grocery store? Someone in our group in the last few posts said we waisted 10 pages...my comment is that I think that young man life and this situation is worth a discussion....My sons are both good students and I worry about them daily...anyway...GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!

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ummmmm is it me or is this guy trying to instagate
wow dude you should seak some help you might be skitsophrenic

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
4. If OPD does not handle this correctly. There will be a bad scene in Oakland.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
4. If OPD does not handle this correctly. There will be a bad scene in Oakland.

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is it opd or bpd which is it cuz now im lost

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
I'm done with the topic gentlemen, but I appreciate all of the different thoughts. As I reflect on the situation and a few of the remarks made, no one has cared to address the history of race relations in our country. We are just 30 years out of segregation. Stockton desegregated in 1975. On the books, we say it's 1954, but we know that a national culture does not change just because someone passes a law. When thinking about how I feel when I am followed by police officers, I honestly worry about my safety and the value of my life because I do not know what will happen when and if I am pulled over. To my fellow white members on the board, my remarks were never meant to be an attack on you or your experiences, or to alienate you, but this profiling goes far beyond our mustangs. Watch the movie crash for some insight, not saying you guys don't already have insight. But i'm asking you to look beyond your everyday reality into somone's else's life. In all reality, I cannot even picture a white man in a business suit being pulled out of a vehicle and searched. I'm not saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that is far reaching for me. Race whether we want to address it or not, plays a big role in our everyday lives. I have associates of all ethnic backgrounds and I often laugh at some of the naive remarks people make toward my culture due to ignorance, and as one of my fellow board member said, intelligence rules! How do we get the knowledge if we refuse to look at the truth? How many times in the last 3 years have your scene a white male being beaten on TV by the police? Or being followed around in a clothing or grocery store? Someone in our group in the last few posts said we waisted 10 pages...my comment is that I think that young man life and this situation is worth a discussion....My sons are both good students and I worry about them daily...anyway...GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!

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Originally posted by CobraKilla:
I like how it's now a post bashing Oakland PD when they didn't have anything to do with the shooting...

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Originally posted by svfreerider87:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
4. If OPD does not handle this correctly. There will be a bad scene in Oakland.

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is it opd or bpd which is it cuz now im lost

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It's bart PD that commited the neglegent act, and OPD is now heading the investigation.

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
I'm done with the topic gentlemen, but I appreciate all of the different thoughts. As I reflect on the situation and a few of the remarks made, no one has cared to address the history of race relations in our country. We are just 30 years out of segregation. Stockton desegregated in 1975. On the books, we say it's 1954, but we know that a national culture does not change just because someone passes a law. When thinking about how I feel when I am followed by police officers, I honestly worry about my safety and the value of my life because I do not know what will happen when and if I am pulled over. To my fellow white members on the board, my remarks were never meant to be an attack on you or your experiences, or to alienate you, but this profiling goes far beyond our mustangs. Watch the movie crash for some insight, not saying you guys don't already have insight. But i'm asking you to look beyond your everyday reality into somone's else's life. In all reality, I cannot even picture a white man in a business suit being pulled out of a vehicle and searched. I'm not saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that is far reaching for me. Race whether we want to address it or not, plays a big role in our everyday lives. I have associates of all ethnic backgrounds and I often laugh at some of the naive remarks people make toward my culture due to ignorance, and as one of my fellow board member said, intelligence rules! How do we get the knowledge if we refuse to look at the truth? How many times in the last 3 years have your scene a white male being beaten on TV by the police? Or being followed around in a clothing or grocery store? Someone in our group in the last few posts said we waisted 10 pages...my comment is that I think that young man life and this situation is worth a discussion....My sons are both good students and I worry about them daily...anyway...GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!

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There was no profile in this incident, there was a report of fighting on a bart train the police responded, should the police not have shown up? What do you think would have happened if the police didn't show up and it being Oakland?
 

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Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
So is oakland still rioting?
That place should just burn down.
 

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Posted by Venomized93 (Member # 55) on :
 
There were few people trying to stir shit up tonight again. Early morning today at Lakeside it got a little tensed. A lot of youngsters screaming and yelling and about 10-12 BART police cars came rolling in. AFter that, about 30-40 cop cars and about 50-75 cops were at Lakeside all day today.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
4. If OPD does not handle this correctly. There will be a bad scene in Oakland.

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is it opd or bpd which is it cuz now im lost

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It's bart PD that commited the neglegent act, and OPD is now heading the investigation.

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It really wasn't that hard to figure that out.

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oooooo sounds like your butts a little sore bud!!!!! you might be trying to bash a little there not much to bash tho huh
 

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Posted by Bigjerry916 (Member # 8787) on :
 
Let the animals wipe themselves out
 

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Posted by BCINGUU (Member # 2397) on :
 

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Originally posted by 351mclaren:
I cannot even picture a white man in a business suit being pulled out of a vehicle and searched. I'm not saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that is far reaching for me.

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Happened to me too, I was pulled out and searched for no reason. Not trying to invalidate your points, just letting you know.
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 
http://www.insidebayarea.com/video
gotta click on the video


the clearest video I have seen yet, with audio!

clearley shows him cuffed, and they damn near threw his dead body on the other guy

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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Originally posted by Bigjerry916:
Let the animals wipe themselves out

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did you really wanna say animals?
 

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Posted by STEED (Member # 4787) on :
 
this happened on Dec. 31st in a suburb in Texas.

kid shot by cops who thought he stole car
 

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Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
I just read that some guy was killed in New Orleans from an officer.
 

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Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on :
 
some of you people really disgust me. there's a few people here who probably think of themselves as smart people, but the fact is that you guys are some of the most ignorant people i've seen on internet forums.

i lived in oakland for 25yrs and although i don't reside there any longer, i still love the city. it's home to me.

btw, i see dumb mofos in every city i've ever been to including tracy where i'm currently living. no city is immune from retarded dumb fockers. this is useless, i'm out.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/video
gotta click on the video


the clearest video I have seen yet, with audio!

clearley shows him cuffed, and they damn near threw his dead body on the other guy

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wow it is pretty clear no cuffs, cussing at the cops, and blatent disrespect for authority. the face of the cop is way more clear, hes compleately mordified at what hade just happened.
thanks for the vid,good find!!!!!! what i dont understand is how grant was dead you say on the scene, but doctors say he died hours later????? i think your post is
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by STEED:
this happened on Dec. 31st in a suburb in Texas.

kid shot by cops who thought he stole car

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/23/AR2006032301117.html

SWAT officer accidently discharges his weapon and kills a suspect, he wasn't prosecuted and still had his job after.

How would of you guys felt if the suspect was your brother/dad/best friend/mother?

Like i said, shit is real.. They need to prosecute these badge wearing criminals to the fullest extend of the law.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
....death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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OMG that is by far one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard to date here. I said I was through with this topic but man......That is outright astounding and magnificent in it absurdness, that you cannot see the need for higher penalties when a act results in death, vs the same act that results in a bruise or something accident or not. Attempted murder vs 1st degree murder. So they should both get the same penalty? wow

And fullest extent of the law is scaled measured by the crime.

[ January 10, 2009, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on :
 
you tube recommended me to watch this. Thought it was kinda interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYC46zUE2A&feature=rec-HM-r2
 

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Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 

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Originally posted by kingroy:
you tube recommended me to watch this. Thought it was kinda interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYC46zUE2A&feature=rec-HM-r2

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
....death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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OMG that is by far one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard to date here. I said I was through with this topic but man......That is outright astounding and magnificent in it absurdness, that you cannot see the need for higher penalties when a act results in death, vs the same act that results in a bruise or something accident or not. Attempted murder vs 1st degree murder. So they should both get the same penalty? wow

And fullest extent of the law is scaled measured by the crime.

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Originally posted by kingroy:
you tube recommended me to watch this. Thought it was kinda interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYC46zUE2A&feature=rec-HM-r2

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soooooooo he just taunts the cop? what does that show, that people get mad when you dont respect there privacy.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:

quote:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
....death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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OMG that is by far one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard to date here. I said I was through with this topic but man......That is outright astounding and magnificent in it absurdness, that you cannot see the need for higher penalties when a act results in death, vs the same act that results in a bruise or something accident or not. Attempted murder vs 1st degree murder. So they should both get the same penalty? wow

And fullest extent of the law is scaled measured by the crime.

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so an accidental death should be punished by the fullest extent of the law????? you think the jena 6 should get a lower punishment even tho they knowingly beat one kid half to death????? the absurdness is your thought process, my post never stated that they should get the same penalty!!! i posted these together to show how the race card is played. in one incident 6 boys beat 1 white boy half to death, and the race card pops up towards the court. in this incident one white cop accidentally shoots a black man, and the race card pops up here as well. i never went to harvard, but seems to me theres something wrong with these two incidents, and it just might be the race cards!!!!!! so n8 how are you gunna tell me im wrong now????

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Man you are very ignorant at times. Read up on the Jena 6. And it has nothing to do with type of situation. You are comparing apples and oranges. And obviously you have no clue or concept of "cruel and unusual punishment". And the kids was not beaten half to death he was released within a day . Also there was a charge of attempted murder (the wrong charge for this matter), which historically in those cases were simple battery or aggravated battery.

Moral of the story is don't compare apples and oranges to support your theories or prove a point. And should you find yourself doing so make sure you know what you are talking about.

And the race card was very applicable here (jena 6). If you do not believe so you are damaged goods and or received bad information. Race card is not applicable in the BART shooting IMO. But I can see how one would apply it here as well.

[ January 11, 2009, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by N8:
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Man you are very ignorant at times. Read up on the Jena 6. And it has nothing to do with type of situation. You are comparing apples and oranges. And obviously you have no clue or concept of "cruel and unusual punishment". And the kids was not beaten half to death he was released within a day . Also there was a charge of attempted murder (the wrong charge for this matter), which historically in those cases were simple battery or aggravated battery.

Moral of the story is don't compare apples and oranges to support your theories or prove a point. And should you find yourself doing so make sure you know what you are talking about.

And the race card was very applicable here (jena 6). If you do not believe so you are damaged goods and or received bad information. Race card is not applicable in the BART shooting IMO. But I can see how one would apply it here as well.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/video
gotta click on the video


the clearest video I have seen yet, with audio!

clearley shows him cuffed, and they damn near threw his dead body on the other guy

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wow it is pretty clear no cuffs, cussing at the cops, and blatent disrespect for authority. the face of the cop is way more clear, hes compleately mordified at what hade just happened.
thanks for the vid,good find!!!!!! what i dont understand is how grant was dead you say on the scene, but doctors say he died hours later????? i think your post is

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/video
gotta click on the video


the clearest video I have seen yet, with audio!

clearley shows him cuffed, and they damn near threw his dead body on the other guy

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wow it is pretty clear no cuffs, cussing at the cops, and blatent disrespect for authority. the face of the cop is way more clear, hes compleately mordified at what hade just happened.
thanks for the vid,good find!!!!!! what i dont understand is how grant was dead you say on the scene, but doctors say he died hours later????? i think your post is

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They tried to revive him from what i understand?

from what i heard the bullet went threw 1 lung bounced off the ground, and came back up and hit the other lung.

if he was not dead he was sure close to it.
And the way his face hit the ground when he dragged him and didnt move you would have thought he was dead.

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facts are facts sorry you dont want to believe it
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 
Dead or not, he did drag his body, and almost threw him on the other guy.

what ever the case he was on consciene, can we agree on that?


And i love your new attitude man, seems like last year we would hae went to tha PM's lol
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
fr

I cannot chat with you because once your mind is made up, you ride it that way. And you inability to show compassion for others point of views make sit even tougher. I do agree on one level. The race card in the BART shooting is not applicable IMO. But in a city such as Oakland that has great racial tension and is only rivaled in police corruption to my beloved New Orleans, I can see how the residents are on that page. But where we differ is I think the racial tension springs from the handling of this case. Not so much the shooting itself. The guy should have been locked up from day one. And there seems to be the dragging of the feet syndrome going on. I think if anything it is a "we are looking out for our own" type situation. Far too many times there has been haste when it comes to the handling of minority cases. The all be come a blur and it is at that time a community must stand up and fight and demonstrate for what is right. Do I personally think this is right? Yes and no. But I can say I am thankful for those who protested and rioted to get us to where we are now.

But all in all I think this crime suffers more from proximity then anything else. Had this happened at Richmond BART or SF BART, I think we are looking at different reactions. Oakland is just to rich in racial injustice and police brutality. Sad someone lost their life and even sadder is that this incident will again leave deep stains on Oakland which is not my birth place but I grew up a good chunk of my life there. And it is so much more than a lot you label it as.

Anyway I am officially done here.

[ January 11, 2009, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
fr

I cannot chat with you because once your mind is made up, you ride it that way. And you inability to show compassion for others point of views make sit even tougher. I do agree on one level. The race card in the BART shooting is not applicable IMO. But in a city such as Oakland that has great racial tension and is only rivaled in police corruption to my beloved New Orleans, I can see how the residents are on that page. But where we differ is I think the racial tension springs from the handling of this case. Not so much the shooting itself. The guy should have been locked up from day one. And there seems to be the dragging of the feet syndrome going on. I think if anything it is a "we are looking out for our own" type situation. Far too many times there has been haste when it comes to the handling of minority cases. The all be come a blur and it is at that time a community must stand up and fight and demonstrate for what is right. Do I personally think this is right? Yes and no. But I can say I am thankful for those who protested and rioted to get us to where we are now.

But all in all I think this crime suffers more from proximity then anything else. Had this happened at Richmond BART or SF BART, I think we are looking at different reactions. Oakland is just to rich in racial injustice and police brutality. Sad someone lost their life and even sadder is that this incident will again leave deep stains on Oakland which is not my birth place but I grew up a good chunk of my life there. And it is so much more than a lot you label it as.

Anyway I am officially done here.

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my mind is made up because i stand from out side the box, you should try it some time you might just notice a better perspective.

things like this have been happening for years, and only get attention when its black vs white odds thus the race card every time. this is the point i have been pushing. if you notice evertime it happens in a predominant black city we get violence and riots. why can we not just stand up for each other as humans, why do we bash each other based on color?

it makes no sense to me that millions have seen this vid and still say its racial and or on purpose, the vid is so plain and clear an accident the pulling of the wepon will never be clear maybe just fear.

id just like to say the racial profileing bullshit is just that bullshit. in a recent project i have concluded that males 30 years old and above are the biggest racial supporters, with that i mean they still see color very clear. ages 30 and under dont give it a second glance i my self am right on the edge of the line for age, these are sad findings to say the least because some of you 30 and older guys are pritty cool. thats all.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
All I can say is wow to your last post. But what ever finds your lost remote.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:
Dead or not, he did drag his body, and almost threw him on the other guy.

what ever the case he was on consciene, can we agree on that?


And i love your new attitude man, seems like last year we would hae went to tha PM's lol

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actually if you view the vid again and pay attention a little better you can see Grant holds him self up on his own at one point after the shooting im not condoning the shooting because he lived for a few hours after im just educating you on the vid

thanks for the compliment. i dont mean to come accross as a dick, i just get passionate about racial threads. sadly i believe that the racial tension that blacks have towards whites(or vise versa) for something we as whites/blacks cannot change will soon help with our nations demise.

one last thing, is it not compleatly retarted that the only thing that sets us apart is skin tone, but in every situation of opposite tone some one cries race?????
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
All I can say is wow to your last post. But what ever finds your lost remote.

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Originally posted by N8:
you know, that is not me. But it was handled in amanner I would have done it. That video is actually very very very good. Broad perspectives and uncut. At 2:00 the guy was saying something that is key to how the pulse of Oakland beats. Then at 4:20 the dude summed up everything I was saying, I could not have said it any better. Then the youngstas at 7:40 pretty much summed up the by-product of 2:00 and 4:20. Misinformed, misled, fed-up and just plain out tired of the way things are down there. Oakland is a very corrupt city to the core. But what you guys think is the core, really isn't. Oakland is so much more than what you hear and read about. It is the privileged class, politicians and the upper crust that keep this going. And the mis-communication or lack there of here just support that. If justice moved as fast as they served warrants on petty criminals then there would be no issue.

Up until recently I mentored a lot of youths with basketball camps and midnight league basketball games and such. And these kids are genuine and not the damaged goods that are represented by the media. But only people that live there, frequent there are care about there would know. Not making excuses because there are some idiots and grimey spots. But Oakland is a lot like Vegas. The odds are always against you and the house is "supposed" to win. Just like the many that get taken for all their worldly goods in Vegas, so goes Oakland. And it takes a very strong willed person to combat the odds and make it out.

Soap Box put up. FR thanks for that video man. It was good for me to see. Seeing those youths, made me wanna get back involved in youth sports and helping out with tutoring and mentoring.

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Originally posted by N8:
fr

I cannot chat with you because once your mind is made up, you ride it that way. And you inability to show compassion for others point of views make sit even tougher. I do agree on one level. The race card in the BART shooting is not applicable IMO. But in a city such as Oakland that has great racial tension and is only rivaled in police corruption to my beloved New Orleans, I can see how the residents are on that page. But where we differ is I think the racial tension springs from the handling of this case. Not so much the shooting itself. The guy should have been locked up from day one. And there seems to be the dragging of the feet syndrome going on. I think if anything it is a "we are looking out for our own" type situation. Far too many times there has been haste when it comes to the handling of minority cases. The all be come a blur and it is at that time a community must stand up and fight and demonstrate for what is right. Do I personally think this is right? Yes and no. But I can say I am thankful for those who protested and rioted to get us to where we are now.

But all in all I think this crime suffers more from proximity then anything else. Had this happened at Richmond BART or SF BART, I think we are looking at different reactions. Oakland is just to rich in racial injustice and police brutality. Sad someone lost their life and even sadder is that this incident will again leave deep stains on Oakland which is not my birth place but I grew up a good chunk of my life there. And it is so much more than a lot you label it as.

Anyway I am officially done here.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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Originally posted by BCINGUU:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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I guess I don't understand the people who are calling this an accident. If I pull out a gun, chamber a round, point it at somebody, pull the trigger, and kill a man, I highly doubt our court system would let me get away with claiming it was an "accident". Even if I thought I was pulling a different (non-lethal) weapon. I think the best case scenario would be involuntary manslaughter, but even that seems pretty unlikely.

And yes, I know I'm assuming I'd get the same treatment as anybody else in this example. But only the President should be above the law. (kidding)

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Originally posted by Jdub07:
I hesitate posting this article as MANY will not fully read and comprehend it. They will scroll down see the pie charts and statistics but not read what it entails. They will make assumptions etc etc... They will not understand all the variables that go into and more importantly all the variables that can not be messured in a study such as this.

For those that are able to, this link has some interesting findings.

http://www.sdcda.org/files/OIS_Report_100907.pdf

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Originally posted by BCINGUU:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:
death isnt an excuse for higher penalty due to an accident!!!!!!

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I guess I don't understand the people who are calling this an accident. If I pull out a gun, chamber a round, point it at somebody, pull the trigger, and kill a man, I highly doubt our court system would let me get away with claiming it was an "accident". Even if I thought I was pulling a different (non-lethal) weapon. I think the best case scenario would be involuntary manslaughter, but even that seems pretty unlikely.

And yes, I know I'm assuming I'd get the same treatment as anybody else in this example. But only the President should be above the law. (kidding)

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by Jdub07:
I hesitate posting this article as MANY will not fully read and comprehend it. They will scroll down see the pie charts and statistics but not read what it entails. They will make assumptions etc etc... They will not understand all the variables that go into and more importantly all the variables that can not be messured in a study such as this.

For those that are able to, this link has some interesting findings.

http://www.sdcda.org/files/OIS_Report_100907.pdf

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After looking into that article, one thing for sure, i am not going to San Diego anytime soon!

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Originally posted by 302 DROP:
the cop is arrested!!!!! bout fucking time hes arrested a warrant was issued they just arrested him in nevada.... hes on a NO bail warrent

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i havent really spoke on this topic because i dont wanna get into it. Flame me if you want, but its my opinion so piss off.
1) YES the officer was wrong
2) YES he should be punished
3) NO he shouldnt get murder, maybe manslaughter or invaluntary. But we all know accidental mis fires happen.
4) NO the guy that was shot shouldnt be put on such a high level..... IF he hadnt been fighting on bart at 2 am on new years it wouldnt have happen to him. You can see in a video him arguing and resisting. His bad.
Lastly
Im a father, i dont go out drinking and partying with a daughter waiting for me at home. I have my priorities. If he'd had his shit in line, maybe he'd still be here. Just my opinion, quote and argue if you want, i wont be replying anyone. Just my opinion.

btw why i dont hear any of the "racisit" callers complaining about this?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18471525/detail.html

[ January 14, 2009, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: bottled95GT?? ]
 

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Posted by 51505.0 (Member # 1904) on :
 
Theres not 25 million involved from "The Man" so who cares about whats happening out there with everyone else. They are all too worried about the Police hurting them no time to worry about the real violence that is going on, you cant collect money from those people.
 

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Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :
 

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Originally posted by bottled95GT??:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 302 DROP:
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btw why i dont hear any of the "racisit" callers complaining about this?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18471525/detail.html

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Originally posted by 302 DROP:

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Originally posted by bottled95GT??:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 302 DROP:
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btw why i dont hear any of the "racisit" callers complaining about this?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18471525/detail.html

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holy shit.. check out these names in this story.. sounds like their calling names at the DMV

Juan Jose Perez
James Lopez,
Cortez Street
Jose Guevarra
Luis Fernando Rodriguez Garcia
Frankie Espinoza
Tampico Avenue
Nortenos and Surenos

all these people are paisas... streets are named after paisa items. im surprised there isn't a street name "BURRO ST"..lol

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i said i wasnt gonna reply to this thread, but holy shit you had me rolling with that.
 

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Posted by EXcobra/LS1NOW (Member # 8408) on :
 
I was just watching the news the first time I heard That the cop was arrested in nevada an charged with murder... but will not be held in prison with general inmates will be held away from them.
 

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Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 
I think that there were three reasons that the Oakland DA charged Mr. Mehserle with murder

1: To avoid further rioting;
2: To avoid being voted out of office and
3: To be able to have the charge reduced to manslaughter to get a conviction.

From what I understand, If the DA had charged him with manslaughter, rioting and the DA's political demise would result. by charging him with murder, a charge they will not be able to prove, the judge can then offer the jury the option of lowering the charge to manslaughter.

Thats what I think will happen. I think if he really diddnt mean to kill that guy he shouldnt be in prison for life. But then why diddnt none of the officers nor him try to help Oscar grant after the inncident? You wonder why would somone especially an officer would do that infront of hundreds of people around. to me it looks like it was an accident. But then i wonder dont you have to take off the saftey on his gun first? crazy.

[ January 14, 2009, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: Eddie510- ]
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
Another good example of badge wearing criminals abusing their power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPrxWeYl15c&feature=related

I like how the officer is dancing around with the suspect and has a GUN in his hand.. Wow, just wow.
 

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Posted by Chris C. (Member # 1949) on :
 

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Another good example of badge wearing criminals abusing their power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPrxWeYl15c&feature=related

I like how the officer is dancing around with the suspect and has a GUN in his hand.. Wow, just wow.

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If the guy followed the officers order to get on the ground none of that would have happened. Id say he was lucky he didnt get sprayed with OC or tasered.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by Chris C.:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Another good example of badge wearing criminals abusing their power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPrxWeYl15c&feature=related

I like how the officer is dancing around with the suspect and has a GUN in his hand.. Wow, just wow.

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If the guy followed the officers order to get on the ground none of that would have happened. Id say he was lucky he didnt get sprayed with OC or tasered.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
Another good example of badge wearing criminals abusing their power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPrxWeYl15c&feature=related

I like how the officer is dancing around with the suspect and has a GUN in his hand.. Wow, just wow.

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They should have tasered that idiots ass immediatly....fucking idiots.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 
Not to stir up shit again, but i recently found this and thought it was quite interesting after the "stand up guy" they made him out to be.... this post of mine is soley based on the character debate nothin more.

"KPIX-TV reported Grant had a criminal record. Grant, who had also been convicted of drug dealing, had been sentenced to 16 months in state prison in 2007 after he fled from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol. Grant was most recently released from prison September 23, corrections officials said. An attorney representing Grant's family said that Grant had been doing well in recent months and that his record was irrelevant to the BART shooting because the police officer was not aware of it when he pulled the trigger "?"
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
how is this "quite interesting"? And being a "stand up guy"? Why because they said he had a family and was loved by his loved ones? What does his transgressions have anything to do with being shot? Are you saying because he served time he deserved to be shot? Are you saying the cop is justified? I just really do not understand the angle or purpose of your post.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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+1

Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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+1

Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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I agree to a certain extent. Wrong place, wrong time can happen to anyone. So I am not entirely sure I would throw this into karma category. An accident did happen, but it should not be explained away so easily. As this accident is the by product of recklessness and negligence IMO.

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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+1

Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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I agree to a certain extent. Wrong place, wrong time can happen to anyone. So I am not entirely sure I would throw this into karma category. An accident did happen, but it should not be explained away so easily. As this accident is the by product of recklessness and negligence IMO.

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He's been arrested, no bail, and charged with murder. Seriously, what more do you expect?? And yes, it CAN happen to anyone...and this is an example.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Justice was swifter? Are you serious? It's called due process and legalities. I'd like to think that everyone is entitled to that. Investigations must be done, steps taken, and then decisions are made. He could have been thrown in jail the very next day and it still wouldn't have been enough for some...and they still would be rioting in Oakland. Hell, the family didn't even care about charges being brought against the officer...they ran out, found a lawyer, and filed a $25M lawsuit against BART not even a week later!

He made certain decisions in regards to his life, like we all do, and whether they were right or wrong...it doesn't matter to anyone but him and his family.

No one said he deserved it.

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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+1

Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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+2 thats what my statement was meaning. Keep putting yourself in a bad place/ situation and eventually itll bite you in the ass. Wow N8 you really assumed alot there. I in no way said he deserved it nor would i EVER say that. I just hate when people paint some1 off to be a saint when theyre far from it. Thats all.
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by bottled95GT??:

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Originally posted by JohnB:

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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+1

Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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+2 thats what my statement was meaning. Keep putting yourself in a bad place/ situation and eventually itll bite you in the ass. Wow N8 you really assumed alot there. I in no way said he deserved it nor would i EVER say that. I just hate when people paint some1 off to be a saint when theyre far from it. Thats all.

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I am sorry if you think I was being assumptive because it was not my intent. I was more inquisitive than anything. I have read no reports or seen any footage of someone painting him as nothing more than a person with a family that loves him and was wrongfully and fatally shot. And that he will be missed. I have seen no reports of him donating to the salvation army, volunteering his time for homeless shelters, raising money to help with Katrina victims. I am just not sure where you got the "saint" aspect from. And like I said maybe the cop was morally bad as well. Because this has derailed his life as well (along with his kids and wife). Guess he was in the wrong place at the wrong time too. And she married the wrong person in the wrong lifetime.

lol @ Don back at cha

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
Put yourself in those/bad situations over a number of years and it's bound to turn bad at some point.

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Life finally caught up to him. Wrong place, wrong time, and a accident happened. Cop knew nothing of his past, nor his record.

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+2 thats what my statement was meaning. Keep putting yourself in a bad place/ situation and eventually itll bite you in the ass. Wow N8 you really assumed alot there. I in no way said he deserved it nor would i EVER say that. I just hate when people paint some1 off to be a saint when theyre far from it. Thats all.

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I am sorry if you think I was being assumptive because it was not my intent. I was more inquisitive than anything. I have read no reports or seen any footage of someone painting him as nothing more than a person with a family that loves him and was wrongfully and fatally shot. And that he will be missed. I have seen no reports of him donating to the salvation army, volunteering his time for homeless shelters, raising money to help with Katrina victims. I am just not sure where you got the "saint" aspect from. And like I said maybe the cop was morally bad as well. Because this has derailed his life as well (along with his kids and wife). Guess he was in the wrong place at the wrong time too. And she married the wrong person in the wrong lifetime.

lol @ Don back at cha

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Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :
 
i actully got to speck to bart spokesman (who is my client so i can not mention thier name) who told me that since the exsitince of bart police which is about 30 years. thier have only been a total of 4 shoting incidents. including this most recent one. when you consider that bart police are the 4th largest squad in the bay area thats not too bad.

with that being said i really can not understand what that cop did. he really had not reason for his actions. my uncle is a cop and he deals with these situations eveyday and has been for over 10 years. he has always used non-leath force. i really can not comprehend at all why this guy would use leath force in this situation.
 

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Posted by 51505.0 (Member # 1904) on :
 
AL STOCK watch the video, that fuck should have got shot, the gun the cop had in his hand was the piece of shit they were fighting, u can see he is holding the gun because what else is he supposed to do with it throw it on the roof, the cop still has HIS GUN in his holster. maybe you should listen and watch and youll see what happened, he should of shot the mother fucker when he had the gun, but he didnt, I say he spared the guys life. Pefect example how people dont pay attention they want it to turn out as they want, watch it again youll see

or maybe he should have just bought the guy some pizza and asked nicely for him to put his gun down right
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by 51505.0:
AL STOCK watch the video, that fuck should have got shot, the gun the cop had in his hand was the piece of shit they were fighting, u can see he is holding the gun because what else is he supposed to do with it throw it on the roof, the cop still has HIS GUN in his holster. maybe you should listen and watch and youll see what happened, he should of shot the mother fucker when he had the gun, but he didnt, I say he spared the guys life. Pefect example how people dont pay attention they want it to turn out as they want, watch it again youll see

or maybe he should have just bought the guy some pizza and asked nicely for him to put his gun down right

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F*k the pizze, community should've grabbed some pop corn and watched the rookie cop dance around like a chicken

My point was, the UNTRAINED Cop was running around with the suspect, dancing around like the Indians dance around fires.

Clear example of a rookie police, MANY of them are in the force (i.e Bart Cop).

It wouldve taken a well-trained Cop 10 seconds to get that encounter OVER WITH.

This is what shouldve happened in the first 10 seconds of when he refused to co-operative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Uy59WK0bU
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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you should listen and watch and youll see what happened

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:
[QUOTE]It wouldve taken a well-trained Cop 10 seconds to get that encounter OVER WITH.

This is what shouldve happened in the first 10 seconds of when he refused to co-operative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Uy59WK0bU

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[QUOTE]It wouldve taken a well-trained Cop 10 seconds to get that encounter OVER WITH.

This is what shouldve happened in the first 10 seconds of when he refused to co-operative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Uy59WK0bU

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The African American cop used excessive force in that video because the suspect was white. I declare racism.

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You are right I forgot all cops know secret Jedi Mind tricks to stop a situation in 10 seconds and if they dont then well I guess they are out of control right! That makes alot of sense wow

There is a big difference in the videos, one video the guy is fighting and refusing to listen the other the guy falls to the ground and doesnt fight at all. Im sure youve been in a fight right, do they all last 10 seconds, maybe with you, I dont know, must be some kung fu master just unstopable

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I never said "all cops", im pointing out the ROOKIES (as seen in video, i.e Oscar's Murderer), NOOBz, UNTRAINED, UNQUALIFIED ONES.


Watch the video and watch the ROOKIE PO-PO say "get on the ground" like 10 times and throw punches and kicks like a 5yr old kid.

Cops are trained in the academy on how to control a criminal. THEY ARE TRAINED... Key word "TRAINED"

Now if the rookie PO-PO can't handle a frikken kid screaming "call my momma!" with his partner holding his pants, then i suggest, he take some ballerina classes and change his profession.

Watch starting 1:20, see how well and fast that situation ends? Maybe the other cop was waiting for a WELL TRAINED PARTNER TO SHOW UP to finish the job.

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Posted by 06Xrunner (Member # 6992) on :
 
I hope he likes Jail because he will be there for a while...
 

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Posted by Cobraboy (Member # 7826) on :
 
PURPLE DRANK
 

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Posted by 302 DROP (Member # 1323) on :
 
WOW they have a video of another officer punching a guy in the face that same day..... keeps on going WOW
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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WOW they have a video of another officer punching a guy in the face that same day..... keeps on going WOW

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"With that powerful punch he slams Mr. Grant in the side of his head and knocks him down even though it doesn't appear Grant is doing anything but talking - maybe he is mouthing off but there was no physical provocation," Keane said. "Why is the other officer not being prosecuted? It was a clearly a deliberate, abusive use of force." The victim of the punch - identified by Channel 2 as 22-year-old Grant - slides to the ground.

The video then shows the moments preceding the shooting and then the shooting itself is shown. It appears that the officer who punches the man is the same person who later is seen kneeling on Grant's head when he was shot.

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
Heres the video

http://www.ktvu.com/video/18554358/index.html

R.I.P Oscar, looks like these THUGS had planned your MURDER ahead of time.

- BART needs to step up and GET RID OF THESE USELESS THUGS with badges.
 

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Posted by 51505.0 (Member # 1904) on :
 
ya your right thugs, man poor guy really poor guy, just give the guy 25 million im sure everyone will be happy after that, of course right
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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ya your right thugs, man poor guy really poor guy, just give the guy 25 million im sure everyone will be happy after that, of course right

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WOULDNT YOU. BROKE OR NOT?
 

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 

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ya your right thugs, man poor guy really poor guy, just give the guy 25 million im sure everyone will be happy after that, of course right

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WOULDNT YOU. BROKE OR NOT?

THATS JUST PLAIN F^CKED UP. WHO DESERVES THAT?

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ya your right thugs, man poor guy really poor guy, just give the guy 25 million im sure everyone will be happy after that, of course right

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That cop messed up... He could have been arrested within 5 min after the shooting, thrown in the gas chamber the next morning, and it still wouldn't appease some people.

He's locked up now, charged with murder, let the system complete its course.

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That cop messed up... He could have been arrested within 5 min after the shooting, thrown in the gas chamber the next morning, and it still wouldn't appease some people.

He's locked up now, charged with murder, let the system complete its course.

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Posted by totalkaos92 (Member # 5750) on :
 
SO HOW CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE NEW TAPES?

ITS OK FOR COPS TO GIVE FACE&GUT SHOTS?
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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SO HOW CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE NEW TAPES?

ITS OK FOR COPS TO GIVE FACE&GUT SHOTS?

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Originally posted by totalkaos92:
SO HOW CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE NEW TAPES?

ITS OK FOR COPS TO GIVE FACE&GUT SHOTS?

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WTF. No one ever said that. Everyone here agrees that those cops deserve to be in jail. Please re-read the 13pages.

Mike

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THERE IS ANOTHER COP THAT NEEDS TO BE IN JAIL NOW!

thats what im talking about when i say "new tape"
but yes i have been reading.

by the way have you seen it yet?
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 
Yup I saw it. And yet that second cop needs to have action taken against him to. It's one thing to restrain someone but walking up to him and punching him in the face...not so much.

He could have walked over and shoved him down to the ground without punching him in the face.

Mike
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
It was said the DA is using the other cop as a witness so for now it is better to not have charges against him, because of the self incrimination deal. But it is believed that they will pursue charges against him at a later date.

The new tape really puts a grim spin on it for the cop that shot the gun. I can now see a charge of murder for him. Hell I would accept a charge of simple battery long as they put him in general population (that would equal a death penalty)

The cop that punched the kid, should get an accessory charge. His dumb ass is more than likely what got the tension and adrenalin flowing and made the situation worse. Really sad, because the cop has a family too. And more than likely they will not be safe for quite sometime.
 

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