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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 
im awaiting comcast to bring my a new HD box in the next few days,
I bought a
40" Samsung LCD... on a budget so i got the 720P version rather than spend another couple hundred to a grand on the 1080P.

Anyone else not upgrade their cables at first? I neglected to buy mine, which i will tomorrow. Did picture quality/ able to see rough pixels go away if anyone else did this too.? (more along lines of DVD images)



[ September 29, 2007, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: bottled95GT?? ]
 

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Posted by N0SL050 (Member # 2719) on :
 
Hey whats goin on.. I just bought a samsung as well 42' plasma, found a deal to good to pass up..
The comcast hd box doesnt use the normal coax cable. You can use it but the picture quality is shitty. It comes with component cables.. You can go buy a nicer pair somewhere but they should supply you with some. There is a differnce from the regular cable channels. But the "hd" channels are Much different the picture quality is so much clearer and crisp. Congrats on the buy money well spent
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
should of bought the 1080p version your just wasting your money on old product and in 2 years everything will be 1080.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
should of bought the 1080p version your just wasting your money on old product and in 2 years everything will be 1080.

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im aware that technology gets better..., but for my uses, 720P works great for now. In 2 years ill have more money and buy a bigger 1080P

plus if i dont see an improvement in the picture quality with all my cables and boxes installed next week, ill take it back
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
you wont see a difference with 720p, only way your going to see a difference in picture is if you got to a 1080i/p tv.
 

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Posted by BUKSING (Member # 6594) on :
 
the wire they usually supply is RGB - red green blue...which WILL enable the true HD channels...the next best wire is HDMI.

[ September 29, 2007, 02:17 AM: Message edited by: BUKSING ]
 

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Posted by Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
Comcast stinks, just ask HaulinAssMotorsports!
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Isnt the only thing in 1080P like blu ray and what not???


I have a 1080i 55 inch and am very very happy with it but I am not a big HD fan to be honest. I just hate looking at small screens.

[ September 29, 2007, 04:21 AM: Message edited by: turbo50 ]
 

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Posted by Five Decimal Zero (Member # 1251) on :
 
Can't you just go to the nearest Comcast store and pick up an HD receiver?

If you can, cop yourself an HDMI cable, get an HD box with an HDMI output and DVR. Set the box to 1080i, set your TV to widescreen and that should be decent enough to watch your Sunday games... of course, channels 701 and up.

[ September 29, 2007, 03:31 AM: Message edited by: Five Decimal Zero ]
 

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Posted by Mustang Mike (Member # 4057) on :
 
Whats the point of an HD box if you don't have an HDTV? Thats like buying a motor for a car you don't own... 720 is NOT HD... Well Technicaly it is but not much better than a 480. I would bet my Sony Flat Screen thats 480 looks better than most TV's in 720. Hell, 1080I is not even full HD. You need a TV that is 1080P for full HD, but at least a 1080I for HD.

Also I think, and someone correct me if im wrong but a Comcast HD box only goes up to 1080I NOT P... Yet
 

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Posted by BUKSING (Member # 6594) on :
 
to the average eye... comcast hd and any HD-TV is pretty damn clear...
 

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Posted by 03SVTPower (Member # 518) on :
 
I just got me a Samsung 50" DLP 1080p myself(couldnt pass up the deal $1199). Everything being brodcasted on HD channels are only being broadcasted in 780p anyway. But playing a Blu-ray disc on my PS3 looks AMAZING at 1080p!

For your HD cable box, just get a HDMI cable and you should be good to go.
 

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Posted by Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
The 720p TV is HD, it is capable of showing 1080i, which is High Def, no need to get a DVR anymore just for the HD as the new model HD Receivers have HDMI, but why not pay the extra $5 for DVR and have the ability to record, Comcast does stock HDMI cables though, just not all techs have them in their trucks, usually they are only given by request.

[ September 29, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Trunkster ]
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 

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Originally posted by 03SVTPower:
I just got me a Samsung 50" DLP 1080p myself(couldnt pass up the deal $1199). Everything being brodcasted on HD channels are only being broadcasted in 780p anyway. But playing a Blu-ray disc on my PS3 looks AMAZING at 1080p!

For your HD cable box, just get a HDMI cable and you should be good to go.

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your wrong all hd chanels are broadcasted in 1080i not 720, you only see 720 when it goes to commercial. And yes TV can not do 1080p but high def players can, but soon enough tv will be capable of doing full 1080p. 720 is not high def and you will not see a difference from your old tv.

[ September 29, 2007, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: liftedF150 ]
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
As stated 1080i is the broadcast used currently, unless you have Xbox360 or PS3 Get the HDMI(High Definition Media Interface) if you want to actually see and hear the reason you got the TV. If you are using the standard AV plugs(Yellow, Red, WHite) you might as well have bought an old school TV. In order to get the picture clarity available you must get Component( also gonna need audio cables then ) or the HDMI. Good luck have fun, ohhh and make sure comcast gives you the HDMI receiver, they try and pawn off the old school component ones often
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
also i hope you dont plan on playing to many video games on your tv because you will get burn in with LCD and your tv will go bye bye faster.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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also i hope you dont plan on playing to many video games on your tv because you will get burn in with LCD and your tv will go bye bye faster.

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also i hope you dont plan on playing to many video games on your tv because you will get burn in with LCD and your tv will go bye bye faster.

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+Game mode enhances dark areas, sharpens the picture, speeds up the image processing response and enhances the sounds of your games
Ultrafast 8ms response time for smooth image reproduction and no burn in.

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
also i hope you dont plan on playing to many video games on your tv because you will get burn in with LCD and your tv will go bye bye faster.

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+Game mode enhances dark areas, sharpens the picture, speeds up the image processing response and enhances the sounds of your games
Ultrafast 8ms response time for smooth image reproduction and no burn in.

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hate to break it to ya but it will burn it eventually, its in the design of a LCD the crystals arnt ment for it, just like plasmas, the only tv that will not show burn in is DLP and CRT.

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Originally posted by Wolfie351:
1080p vs 720p on a 40" inch screen is indistinguishable to the average person. I would only buy a 1080p TV if it was 50" or over. Second, Bay Area networks have a mixture of 1080i and 720p broadcasts, and no 1080p. If you're getting your HD signal through a cable company, I'm sorry, but you're not getting the same high quality signal as what's being broadcast over the air. Most cable companies add a touch of compression to their digital broadcasts.

If you want the ultimate setup, use an antennae along with a computer based DVR (Myth TV, Beyond TV, etc) with no monthly service fees. I use Beyond TV and can record 3 HD and 3 regular cable channels all at the same time and stream to any room in the house.

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i agree, definitely go with an antenna to get the best hd signal. you'll definitely have to get an hd cable box to get other channels in hd, but to get network channels all that is needed is an antenna. as for not going with 1080p, don't sweat it, only on larger tv's will the differences be noticeable. and game as much as you want with your new tv as current lcd technology is very resistant to burn in. in fact plasmas are typically more susceptible to burn in, but honestly that's after years of use. the only thing to worry about on an lcd is getting dead pixels.
 

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Posted by Stevo (Member # 972) on :
 
LCDs will NOT burn in. Plasmas and projection TVs are the only ones with the burn in problems. Plasmas also have a lifetime of 5-7 years.
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 
HD box with the HD channels looks awesome through the HDMI cable they supplied, dvd player only uses S video, not hdmi, next dvd player will, but the S video still looks alot better than the standard yellow video cable.

[ September 29, 2007, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: bottled95GT?? ]
 

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Posted by 1FAST89GT (Member # 5071) on :
 
take it back and but i tv from me, or a dlp sony dvd player for $90 i got the hook up
 

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Posted by TrueBlue (Member # 1063) on :
 

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Originally posted by Stevo:
LCDs will NOT burn in. Plasmas and projection TVs are the only ones with the burn in problems. Plasmas also have a lifetime of 5-7 years.

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Isnt the only thing in 1080P like blu ray and what not???
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Originally posted by liftedF150:
should of bought the 1080p version your just wasting your money on old product and in 2 years everything will be 1080.

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Posted by iron281 (Member # 80) on :
 
Some info, and why the whole HD issue is not as black & white as some people would like to think.

True HDTV programming is typically broadcast in one of two resolutions: 1080i or 720p. Most networks have opted for the 1080i format, boasting that it provides the highest possible resolution, while ABC, Fox, ESPN/ESPN2, and the National Geographic Channel went for the smoother pictures of 720p. What's the real difference between the two? While 1080i technically offers the most lines of resolution, it's delivered in the old-style interlaced format, meaning that your TV set draws each frame in two passes: once for the even horizontal lines and a second time for the odd lines. The 720p (progressive) format has fewer lines of information than 1080i but draws each frame in a single pass, delivering pictures that look slightly smoother than an interlaced image, especially when there's a lot of movement on the screen. Most videophiles agree that 720p is the superior format, despite 1080i's resolution advantage.

Resolution, or picture detail, is the main reason why HDTV programs look so good. The standard-definition programming most of us watch today has at most 480 visible lines of detail, whereas HDTV has as many as 1,080. HDTV looks sharper and clearer than regular TV by a wide margin, especially on big-screen televisions. It actually comes in two different resolutions, called 1080i and 720p. One is not necessarily better than the other; 1080i has more lines and pixels, but 720p is a progressive-scan format that should deliver a smoother image that stays sharper during motion. Another format is also becoming better known: 1080p, which combines the superior resolution of 1080i with the progressive-scan smoothness of 720p. True 1080p content is scarce outside of Blu-ray, HD DVD and the latest video games, however, and none of the major networks has announced 1080p broadcasts.

http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5137915-1.html


And why HDMI is what we're stuck with going forward, but not necessarily the ultimate connection:

HDMI is a digital signal format, developed primarily as a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings. As one might expect from a standard that was developed to serve the content provider industries, rather than the best interests of the consumer, HDMI is something of a mess. The signal is not robust over distance because it was designed to run balanced when it should have been run unbalanced (SDI, the commercial digital video standard, can be run hundreds of feet over a single coax without any performance issues); the HDMI cable is an unnecessarily-complicated rat's-nest arrangement involving nineteen conductors; switches, repeaters and distribution amplifiers, by virtue of this complicated scheme, are made unnecessarily expensive; and the HDMI plug is prone to falling out of the jack with little more than a light tug. As more and more manufacturers move to implement HDMI on more home theater devices, however, it falls to the consumer to try to make the best of this dubious and poorly-thought-out standard.

Great cabling of all sorts BTW:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/dvi/index.htm

More info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

Just my $.02. We have a Panny TH-50PZ700U, which is a 1920 x 1080 set, and I can't say enough about it. If you want to cut to the chase with plasma– look at the Panasonics. If money is not an object, take a look at the latest Pioneer Elite Kuro. I thought the Pioneer offered a very slightly better overall picture, but the price difference between the Pioneer PRO-110FD and the Panny TH-50PZ700U is huge.

[ September 30, 2007, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: iron281 ]
 

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Posted by bottled95GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 

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Originally posted by iron281:

Just my $.02. We have a Panny TH-50PZ700U, which is a 1920 x 1080 set, and I can't say enough about it. If you want to cut to the chase with plasma– look at the Panasonics. If money is not an object, take a look at the latest Pioneer Elite Kuro. I thought the Pioneer offered a very slightly better overall picture, but the price difference between the Pioneer PRO-110FD and the Panny TH-50PZ700U is huge.

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Holy god thats alot of info. Thank you very much.

As far as the Elite series, i used to work for the Good Guys, i LOVE that TV, sadly im no where Near being able to afford one. Would if i could
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
hahaha this thread reminds me of my hometheater installation days or when I was at BestBuy and CircuitCity. You got a good TV, enjoy it, get better cables for better performace, opt for the HD programming from comcast, dont leave the screen paused on an image for a long time and your good! Dont worry about games burning anything, only LCD I ever say burned was one at BESTbuy that showed there blue logo on the screen 24hrs a day for over a month before it burned itself in.

Ohhh and for whoever said it: a DLP(a samsung owned product)has a LCD screen for display so whatever a LCD does, so does a "DLP"
 

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Posted by TrueBlue (Member # 1063) on :
 

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Ohhh and for whoever said it: a DLP(a samsung owned product)has a LCD screen for display so whatever a LCD does, so does a "DLP" [/QB]

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LCDs will NOT burn in. Plasmas and projection TVs are the only ones with the burn in problems. Plasmas also have a lifetime of 5-7 years.

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Ohhh and for whoever said it: a DLP(a samsung owned product)has a LCD screen for display so whatever a LCD does, so does a "DLP"

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Huh????????? [/QB]

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Originally posted by Stevo:
LCDs will NOT burn in. Plasmas and projection TVs are the only ones with the burn in problems. Plasmas also have a lifetime of 5-7 years.

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sorry stevo but your wrong, lcd's do burn in, and projection tvs cant burn in because they use mirrors and you cant burn in on a mirror....

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Originally posted by iron281:
And why HDMI is what we're stuck with going forward, but not necessarily the ultimate connection:

HDMI is a digital signal format, developed primarily as a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings. As one might expect from a standard that was developed to serve the content provider industries, rather than the best interests of the consumer, HDMI is something of a mess. The signal is not robust over distance because it was designed to run balanced when it should have been run unbalanced (SDI, the commercial digital video standard, can be run hundreds of feet over a single coax without any performance issues); the HDMI cable is an unnecessarily-complicated rat's-nest arrangement involving nineteen conductors; switches, repeaters and distribution amplifiers, by virtue of this complicated scheme, are made unnecessarily expensive; and the HDMI plug is prone to falling out of the jack with little more than a light tug. As more and more manufacturers move to implement HDMI on more home theater devices, however, it falls to the consumer to try to make the best of this dubious and poorly-thought-out standard.

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Originally posted by N8:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5102926-1.html?tag=dir

Check out that link and cnet in general for tips, comparisons and reviews of products. I never invest in new technology or make major purchases of tech gear until I scour this site. Their reviews are pretty much spot on.

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